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If Minutemen Are Vigilantes, What Do You Call 500,000 Illegal Aliens Demanding Rights?
NewsByUs.com ^ | Apr 10, 2006 | Citizen Conservative

Posted on 04/10/2006 5:52:04 AM PDT by IrishMike

When the Minutemen set up shop at the Arizona border last year to call attention to the illegal alien loophole in US Homeland Security, President Bush foolishly chided these brave patriots by calling them vigilantes. Although chagrined at being deserted by the man who has the constitutional responsibility and authority to defend our borders, the Minutemen dug in their heels and persisted. And persisted.

Their Yankee determination to do the right thing was rewarded when President Bush finally sent additional border patrol agents to Arizona. Even the Mexican government was motivated to pay greater attention, at least temporarily, because of the due diligence of heroic Minutemen.

Before the Minuteman took their courageous stand, open border advocates and anti-American liberals insisted it was “impossible” to stop illegal immigration. Best to just accept reality, learn Spanish, and switch to rice and beans as food stables, according to the leftists and Hispanic racists.

Thank God, the Minutemen PROVED illegal aliens CAN be stopped, thereby delivering a great victory on behalf of all American citizens.

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To: IrishMike

I don't think Minutemen are vigilantes, but to answer you question, some of them are U.S. citizens - the rest are legal immigrants and illegal immigrants.


101 posted on 04/10/2006 6:51:21 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Supernatural

Nice tagline


102 posted on 04/10/2006 6:51:36 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: clawrence3
The Washington Times on March 25, 2005 seemed to "KNOW":

'He condemned the organizers of Project Minuteman as "vigilantes" even though they have broken no law and pledge not to do so.'

If you left your dog locked in the house for a couple of days and then found a "pile" on the floor, would you claim to "KNOW" the dog did it?

As an earlier poster pointed out, "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

103 posted on 04/10/2006 6:52:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BIGZ

Per the MSM it's 'undocumented'
To Barbara Feinstein it's 'future Americans'


To the vast majority of Americans...
Illegal Aliens.


104 posted on 04/10/2006 6:52:31 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: theDentist

"If Minutemen Are Vigilantes, What Do You Call 500,000 Illegal Aliens Demanding Rights?

Future Democrat Voters."

I think you mean current Democrat voters.


105 posted on 04/10/2006 6:52:55 AM PDT by squidward
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To: Mo1; Spiff

I posted your quote.

There is no doubt to anyone that W was talking about the MMP....nonewhatsoever.

I bet if I mine carefully I can find where many here including maybe even you used W's remarks at that time to discredit the Minutemen.

There were some purges of some folks around here at that time. Several of whom a few years ago I viewed as alarmist .

Well, THEY WERE RIGHT. I WAS WRONG.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MY OWN VIEWS 4-6 years ago on this...if they are watching.


106 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:06 AM PDT by wardaddy ("I believe it is peace for our time... go home and get a nice quiet sleep")
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To: clawrence3

What do you mean by "hunting people"?

As if the Minutemen were out to kill people they caught crossing the border?

Are you an illegal alien sympathizer?


107 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:45 AM PDT by Supernatural (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: DuncanWaring

If you knew there was no other dog around, yes, That's not what the Washington Times did though.


108 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:53 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Cagey
Facts? It seems to me that just about everyone on this thread has quoted the facts over and over. You just don't want to see them.

No .. they quote an article from a reporter who took the Presidents words out of context

109 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:54 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: IrishMike

Let's all say "thank you" to President Bush for getting this snowball rolling.

/sarc


110 posted on 04/10/2006 6:54:22 AM PDT by SerpentDove (We will not stand by and allow politicians to destroy our country through open borders.)
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To: Mo1

You should see my homepage if you like my tagline.


111 posted on 04/10/2006 6:55:04 AM PDT by Supernatural (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: Supernatural

I don't answer questions from anyone on this issue unreasonable enough to advocate "Shoot first, ask questions later."


112 posted on 04/10/2006 6:55:14 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Mo1

Hayworth says Bush insulted Minutemen

WASHINGTON - Rep. J.D. Hayworth on Wednesday accused President Bush and others of having "maligned" the Minuteman Project, the civilian patrol group that placed volunteers along a 23-mile stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border this month to monitor immigrant activity.

And another Republican lawmaker, Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, called on Bush to "meet with the people he calls vigilantes," and "issue an apology to these folks for what he's called (them)."

Both lawmakers, members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, made their remarks during a news conference at the Capitol attended by Minuteman organizers and dozens of supporters, an event that nearly took on the fervor of a religious revival. advertisement

Another Arizona member of the caucus, Republican Rep. Trent Franks, also praised the Minutemen who are based in southeastern Arizona, though he did not criticize the president. White House spokesman Taylor Gross said Wednesday that no apology will be coming from the White House.

Gross explained that on March 23, when asked by a reporter about his view of people "hunting" migrants along the border, Bush simply said he was opposed to "vigilantes in the United States of America."

Bush later added: "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way; that's why you have a Border Patrol and they ought to be in charge of enforcing the border."

Gross said the president has not changed his position.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0428minuteman-dc28.html


113 posted on 04/10/2006 6:56:38 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: clawrence3

Then don't ask me any questions either.

Understood?


114 posted on 04/10/2006 6:56:54 AM PDT by Supernatural (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: Supernatural

I will do whatever I want.


115 posted on 04/10/2006 6:58:37 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Mo1; Spiff
You seem to be contradicting yourself here, Mo1:

I agree .. I don't think he knew the details like we on the internet did

You seem to be referring here to the attempted Stormfront involvement with the Minutemen, saying President Bush didn't know about it.

Yet in earlier posts, you assert that President Bush was referring to Stormfront when he talked about "vigilantes".

Which is it?

116 posted on 04/10/2006 6:59:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Velveeta
Gross explained that on March 23, when asked by a reporter about his view of people "hunting" migrants along the border, Bush simply said he was opposed to "vigilantes in the United States of America."

If you BELIEVE that, then Hayworth and Tancredo are the ones jumping the gun (pun intended - maybe those of you who want to "Shoot First, and Ask Questions Later" will understand that).

117 posted on 04/10/2006 7:01:15 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: wardaddy
I bet if I mine carefully I can find where many here including maybe even you used W's remarks at that time to discredit the Minutemen

I can't speak for others poster

I will say .. when the project first started there were many concerns about the minuteman project because there were certain groups who wanted to get involved because they wanted to cause troubles ... there was talk about shooting illegals coming over the boarder

In fact .. AT THE TIME .. there were also a number of congresscritters who didn't jump on board right away because they too had concerns regarding this reports/stories

SINCE THAT TIME .. from what I've read ... the leaders of the Minutemen project have done the best they can to keep out the troublemakers and to make it a legit boarder watch

That was all my point was .. some here are mixing what happen then to what is happening now ..

118 posted on 04/10/2006 7:01:42 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: SerpentDove

I think the jury is still out.
I cannot decide if this is a pure fiasco,
or a Carl Rove move.

The polls from the weekends have the MSM all up set.
56% polled want illegals out, sent home, no benefits, absolutely no citizenship.


119 posted on 04/10/2006 7:02:01 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Mo1
No he didn't mention the group by name .. he was talking about the trouble makers .. and that is why he called them vigilantes

You are still doing what you accuse others of doing, putting words in Bush's mouth. Since Bush did NOT specify who he was referring to, then aren't we ALL coming to our own conclusions with no real way of knowing which of us has come to the "correct" conclusion?

120 posted on 04/10/2006 7:02:26 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DuncanWaring

Will you admit it is at least possible that Bush was answering the question as asked, regardless of which group he knew about?


121 posted on 04/10/2006 7:03:12 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Future? I'd be willing to bet that more than half of them voted (Democratic) in the last Presidential election - citizens or not!

If they dare to vote illegally, what's to stop them from voting multiple times on election day? The invaders are more motivated to vote than citizens are and the guy least likely to dare stop them is sitting in the White House.

122 posted on 04/10/2006 7:03:52 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis (There isn't a more appropriate way to wave the US flag than in the face of its enemies.)
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To: IrishMike

>>The polls from the weekends have the MSM all up set.
56% polled want illegals out, sent home, no benefits, absolutely no citizenship.<<

Hopefully this will wake up the politicians.

But I fear they see the protestors as a future voting bloc.

???


123 posted on 04/10/2006 7:04:41 AM PDT by SerpentDove (We will not stand by and allow politicians to destroy our country through open borders.)
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To: Types_with_Fist

LOL!!!You nailed that one.


124 posted on 04/10/2006 7:05:01 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: clawrence3

I'll do whatever I want also.

Do you think you are my boss or my Lord and Master?

Get off it already.


125 posted on 04/10/2006 7:05:59 AM PDT by Supernatural (Shoot first, ask questions later.)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Yes, but he was, at the very least, talking about any group "hunting migrant workers along the border."


126 posted on 04/10/2006 7:06:10 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: IrishMike

The passive legal Americans are not voicing an opinion that this traitorous government is hearing. If enough protest is made by legal Americans in a legal way, maybe voices will be heard. To do our parts we need to
1 Turn in any contractor that is hiring illegals to ICE

2 Turn in any unlicensed illegals to your state contractor board

3 Takes pictures of loitering illegals and turn in the pics with address to ICE

4 Turn in license plates of any suspected illegal driving illegally to your DMV

5 When issued any kind of driving ticket or other violation refuse to recognize the penalty due to the fact that illegals are given a pass on violating the law.

6 If you are hassled by the IRS make it clear that Illegals skip around taxes so why should legals pay...plus complain that you don't want tax dollars supporting illegals

If enough Americans do this the traitors will hear your voice.


127 posted on 04/10/2006 7:06:31 AM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: DuncanWaring

Would you call people who want to shoot other people, vigilantes??

Look .. I have nothing against stopping the illegals and calling the Boarder Agents in to deal with them

But I do have a problem just shooting people


128 posted on 04/10/2006 7:07:01 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: IrishMike

ICE PHONE 1-866-347-2423
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/about/index.htm


129 posted on 04/10/2006 7:07:28 AM PDT by jetson (throne)
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To: Mo1
The President never called them (minuteman) vigilantes

You are correct. I gave up trying to make that point because my head hurt too much from the constant beating it against the wall.

130 posted on 04/10/2006 7:07:49 AM PDT by Flyer (Preserve American Culture)
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To: SerpentDove
More than 56% wanted Arabs not to own U.S. ports too - there used to be a time when FReepers had a healthy does of skepticism for "polling" data ; )
131 posted on 04/10/2006 7:08:08 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

See if you like this tagline any better.


132 posted on 04/10/2006 7:08:25 AM PDT by Supernatural (When they come a wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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To: clawrence3
Then how do you KNOW that the Minuteman Project was what Bush was referring to?

Because I have higher than a 2-digit IQ.

133 posted on 04/10/2006 7:09:25 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: jetson

It's going to take A LOT of Americans going to jail for all that before anyone takes notice.


134 posted on 04/10/2006 7:10:04 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Dustbunny

I don't think it's all that bad, what I see is pure democratic desperation at adding to their 'base'
as with every passing election over the last 20 + years,
the democratic party is well outside American mainstream.
They've not won a national election since Carter (Clinton is not a majority elected president ...Ross Perot).

They expected John (french looking) Kerry to win easily, as was predicted by the MSM... lost by 3.5 million voted.
The democrats have no choice but shoot for the felons and illegals as the democratic party is the trapped rat in the corner. This is their Alamo.


135 posted on 04/10/2006 7:10:11 AM PDT by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Spiff

Bots trying to spin away history and rewrite it. Must be pretty damaging seeing as how much spin there is around the issue now.


136 posted on 04/10/2006 7:10:23 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Flyer
I gave up trying to make that point because my head hurt too much from the constant beating it against the wall.

I had done the some thing ... I just got sick of the distortions of the facts

137 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:10 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
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To: Spiff

IIRC, V. Fox and other Mexicans were calling the minutemen, vigilantes and in a most derogoratory way. Bush never took up for law abiding citizens and to this day doesn't think it necessary. Agree with you, Bush referred to the minutemen as vigilantes.


138 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:39 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Spiff

You must have, like, supernatural IQ to be omniscient.


139 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:55 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: wardaddy
I bet if I mine carefully I can find where many here including maybe even you used W's remarks at that time to discredit the Minutemen.

Oh, they did. Right here on Free Republic. Posting about the Minuteman Project right up until the April 1 start date got a number of people banned. The Minuteman Project was attacked right here by people who used the President's statement against us. I am the one who started, carefully, posting about the Minuteman Project activities after the operation started and somehow I got away with it. A few others joined in, but they had to walk a thin line, because the President, the congressional Republicans, and the RNC were very negative or even openly hostile to the Minuteman Project.

140 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:31 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: clawrence3

Spiff is smarter than you are. He gets it, you don't.


141 posted on 04/10/2006 7:14:49 AM PDT by Supernatural (When they come a wull staun ma groon, Staun ma groon al nae be afraid)
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To: Mo1
You keep posting that article where the President is taken out of context

Out of context? If you read the press conference transcript IN THE CONTEXT of the fact that the Minutemen were a raging story in the news at the time, it is clear that Bush was talking about the Minutemen. The only way you and a few others can attempt to claim that Bush wasn't talking about the Minutemen is to pretend the CONTEXT did not exist.

142 posted on 04/10/2006 7:15:14 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: Flyer
I gave up trying to make that point because my head hurt too much from the constant beating it against the wall.

I'd say the headache was caused by your attempts to deny the obvious - that Bush was referring to the Minutemen.

143 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:33 AM PDT by dirtboy (Tagline under contruction. Fines doubled.)
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To: Spiff

Well, I am very negative and even openly hostile to the Minuteman Project too, but I only call vigilantes "vigilantes" : )


144 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:52 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Mo1
'Vigilantes'

We've reached a very strange moment in the immigration debate. On Wednesday President Bush condemned a group of good American citizens worried about the breaking of U.S. immigration law. He condemned the organizers of Project Minuteman as "vigilantes" even though they have broken no law and pledge not to do so. An hour or two later, Mr. Bush welcomed to his Texas ranch a man who insults the United States for its immigration policy and leads a government that routinely flouts U.S. immigration law.

145 posted on 04/10/2006 7:17:45 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: dirtboy

If there is another rational explanation, then it is NOT "obvious" - that word has a very specific definition too.


146 posted on 04/10/2006 7:18:16 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
(pun intended - maybe those of you who want to "Shoot First, and Ask Questions Later" will understand that).

What are you talking about?

147 posted on 04/10/2006 7:18:56 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: pbrown

Have you read the actual Bush transcript above?


148 posted on 04/10/2006 7:19:18 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: IrishMike

I call those 500,000 protesters future voters for the democratic party! It's too bad they didn't chose HISPANIC HERITAGE WEEK for their protests.


149 posted on 04/10/2006 7:20:04 AM PDT by stockstrader
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To: Velveeta

I'm talking about "jumping the gun" as to what Bush was referring to - also those who would IN FACT AND LAW be "vigilantes" by hunting migrants along the border - the "Shoot First and Ask Questions Later" crowd.


150 posted on 04/10/2006 7:20:53 AM PDT by clawrence3
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