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Ugliness linked to parenting skill: Study suggests homely people less attentive to their children
The Canadian Press ^ | Monday, April 10, 2006 | Jodie Sinnema

Posted on 04/10/2006 9:43:46 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA

EDMONTON -- The next time you see a child wandering lost and alone in the grocery store, sneak a peek at the parents.

New research from the University of Alberta suggests there's a good chance they're ugly.

"Unattractive parents are less likely than attractive parents to supervise their children closely," said Andrew Harrell. He's the same social scientist who took a fair bit of heat last year when he presented evidence suggesting parents pay more attention to attractive children.

Now he's onto new findings bound to stir up further familial feelings.

"The unattractive parents may be ugly because they have had economic difficulties, health problems, diabetes, poor eyesight, psychological and physical hardships that distract them," Harrell offers as an explanation.

"They have their own personal concerns and they have less time to be attentive to their children. They are in such physical and psychological misery they are not there."

He admits his limited data can't prove the theory, since his team never interviewed the parents or children who were observed.

But his argument could explain why a child can drown in a swimming pool, even though a parent is close by and supposedly watching, he said.

Harrell, director of the university's Population Research Laboratory, began studying parents in grocery stores.

His team went to 14 stores in Edmonton to observe 861 single parents with one child roughly between the ages of one and seven in tow.

Observers found that 16 per cent of homely parents lost sight of their children at least once compared to 10 per cent of attractive parents.

That corresponds roughly to 89 inattentive, ugly parents and 30 inattentive, attractive ones.

"That may not seem big, but people, for the most part, don't lose sight of kids," Harrell said. "So that's pretty strong."

If the homely parents had ugly children, the neglect was even worse, with 36 per cent of parents letting their children out of sight.

"This inattentiveness is what happens. They don't see the kids in distress and this is when accidents happen."

Harrell acknowledges that ideas on beauty are subjective, but also noted scores on the parents' looks were very similar among observers.

Parents were considered neglectful if a child wandered more than three metres away -- too far for the adult to intervene in time if the child got into trouble -- or went out of sight around an aisle or across the store.

David Begun, an anthropology professor at the University of Toronto, said other studies have had similar results.

"We are attracted to, or pay more attention to, attractive people versus unattractive people," Begun said.

But a biological sciences professor at Stanford University in California calls Harrell's study nonsense.

"There's no possible way he could draw that conclusion from watching people in grocery stores," Paul Ehrlich said.

"These kinds of claims are made all the time."

Whatever the case, Harrell said he just wants parents to be conscientious.

"I'm pretty old-fashioned," said the sociologist. "It is harsh, but when kids' lives are at stake, it's important."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: beauty; children; parenting; parentingskills; psychology; skill; ugliness
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Does this study make sense?

It seems reasonable that people with serious health problems might not be able to pay enough attention to their children. OTOH -- are the "beautiful people" in Hollywood the model parents that the collorely of this study would suggest they should be?

1 posted on 04/10/2006 9:43:49 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

[Insert Hillary/Chelsea joke here]


2 posted on 04/10/2006 9:46:15 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

My wife is an EXCELLENT mother. I, on the other hand, am a terrible father.


3 posted on 04/10/2006 9:47:44 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (losing what I thought was sanity...and liking it.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

This is one of the things that kind of make sense, but not so much as to be worth spending any brainpower on. I wonder if this was financed by the government.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 9:49:16 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Well who the hell wants to look at ugly children? I saw a child at the lake yesterday that HAD to be responsible for the fact that there were few catches. I should have told her father to not let her face near the water.
5 posted on 04/10/2006 9:49:17 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

This is a study of "homely" people, not "beautiful" people. I am sure "normal" people scored just as well as "beautiful" people on this test.

All that said, there are good reasons we think of people as "homely" --- it is the fact that someone is mentally or physically unhealthy that makes them "homely."

A plain-faced person who takes care of themselves physically, is otherwise healthy, and is mentally balanced looks just fine.

God (or evolution) causes us to favor such people for a reason.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 9:51:23 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Unattractive parents are less likely than attractive parents to supervise their children closely

It only appears that way because the children get frightened and run away.
7 posted on 04/10/2006 9:52:47 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Doing the job Americans will do, paying the taxes illegals don't pay.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Children - are those the little people running around my house?


8 posted on 04/10/2006 9:52:51 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA


9 posted on 04/10/2006 9:53:01 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

An ugly kid with ugly parents just doesn't stand a chance ...


10 posted on 04/10/2006 9:53:45 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I wonder where they did this study...unfortunately the area I live has really turned into Uppieville and thanks to plastic surgery and private trainers we are surrounded by beautiful people and I find way to many of these parents are severely lacking in good parental skills.

I do not think it has anything to do with looks it just seems parents do not want to be parents these days. I could go on but then it would be rambling.


11 posted on 04/10/2006 9:54:20 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

My parents must be the best damn looking people on the planet because I couldn't get away with anything! They were all over me....I thought I had 10 parents once!


12 posted on 04/10/2006 9:54:27 AM PDT by SelectiveJNJ
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

It's not usually health problems, but general having-your-act-together problems. People who just can't seem to find time or inclination to keep their hair washed and trimmed in some recognizeable style, or dot some cover-up on their zits (and take measures to prevent them), or control their weight, etc., and can't/won't keep a pleasant, alert expression on their faces and stand up straight, usually just don't have their acts together period, so not paying attention to their kids is just consistent with the rest of their lives. If I went to the grocery store looking exactly the way I look when I first roll out of bed in the morning, I'd probably be classified as "ugly". But I don't leave the house looking like that, so I'm sure I'd be counted as "attractive".


13 posted on 04/10/2006 9:54:38 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: 4U2OUI
My wife is an EXCELLENT mother. I, on the other hand, am a terrible father.

I guess that the authors of the study might ask you, "How did you get such a good looking woman to marry such an ugly guy?"

14 posted on 04/10/2006 9:54:56 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I'll take Junk Science for $1000, Alex.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 9:56:20 AM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
The next time you see a child wandering lost and alone in the grocery store, sneak a peek at the parents. New research from the University of Alberta suggests there's a good chance they're ugly. Unattractive parents are less likely than attractive parents to supervise their children closely...

Or more likely, kids just don't like to be seen with ugly parents.

16 posted on 04/10/2006 9:56:35 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

collorely = corollary (I hit the "post" button, when I meant to hit "Preview")


17 posted on 04/10/2006 9:56:37 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
This happened at the grocery store where I shopped Saturday. The child was 7 years old, the parents were butt ugly, and they were too busy arguing with each other as to who was to blame to go and look for the child.
I've been in the local Wal-Mart a couple of times when a child gets lost. They close the entrance doors, announce a "Code Adam" with a description of the child, and everybody drops everything to go find the child. It's amazing to watch.
18 posted on 04/10/2006 9:56:59 AM PDT by Excellence
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To: nosofar

"I wonder if this was financed by the government."

It's Canada -- I don't think you have to ask.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 9:57:40 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

And poor people don't fare well either. Whats next brown haired people?


20 posted on 04/10/2006 9:57:40 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen
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To: Pukin Dog

That's not nice! Maybe the fishies were scared of you! :P


21 posted on 04/10/2006 9:58:15 AM PDT by derllak
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To: Pukin Dog
PD, you are a very naughty person. Thanks for the good laugh this morning!

Reminds me of the Rodney Dangerfield joke, "I was so ugly as a child, my parents had to tie a pork chop around my neck to get the dog to play with me..."

22 posted on 04/10/2006 9:58:25 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("That boy just ain't right..." Hank Hill)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
1ST-CLASS MOM(Saron Stone is Mom of the year!)
23 posted on 04/10/2006 9:58:52 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

This makes some sense intuitively, but the "study" this guy did is pretty darn weak.
Incidentally, percentage-wise, I think ugliness correlates to poverty, as politically incorrect as this sounds. Its not difficult to see why: 1) less motivation and less intelligence, therefore less exercise and less attempt to eat well, and less understanding of the importance of these things; 2) rich guys often get the pretty girls, which makes prettier children; 3) attractive people have an easier time finding good jobs or rich husbands, etc. because of their attractiveness.
BTW, I am not rich. :)


24 posted on 04/10/2006 9:59:32 AM PDT by dinoparty
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
He admits his limited data can't prove the theory, since his team never interviewed the parents or children who were observed.

Doesn't stop a reporter from stirring up invalid issues, though.

25 posted on 04/10/2006 9:59:45 AM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: Excellence
RE: Wal-mart's Code Adam.

Wow, I don't know that, WM goes up a couple of notches IMOP
26 posted on 04/10/2006 10:00:20 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
He admits his limited data can't prove the theory, since his team never interviewed the parents or children who were observed.

Now, isn't that special?

27 posted on 04/10/2006 10:01:21 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Tall men are offered more money at job interviews. Beautiful women get more dates, etc. Children think "attractive" people are smarter.

That's life. Maybe it's not "fair", but there it is. Move on, keep your day job.

It's natural selection by mother nature to keep us mating and hopefully reproducing.

Life is hormones.


28 posted on 04/10/2006 10:02:39 AM PDT by garyhope (Simplicity is best in everything)
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To: SelectiveJNJ

>My parents must be the best damn looking people on the planet because I couldn't get away with anything!<

LOL! Mine, too. And they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I say that beauty lies in the eye of the responsible parent.


29 posted on 04/10/2006 10:03:54 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Pukin Dog

Awww! Poor little girl. When I was little, I was very unattractive...but I grew up, and am a lot better looking than I was then. Give her 15 years, she might be beautiful some day.


30 posted on 04/10/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by arizonarachel (Praying for a January miracle!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
>OTOH -- are the "beautiful people" in Hollywood the model parents that the collorely of this study would suggest they should be?<

Snicker


31 posted on 04/10/2006 10:04:39 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: investigateworld; Excellence
If the everybody in: "everybody drops everything to go find the child" includes the customers -- then it's not just Wal-mart that's looking good. This is the sort of thing that you don't read about in the papers -- yet, it is a strong indicator that something is right with American society.
32 posted on 04/10/2006 10:06:44 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: derllak
I'll have you know that fish love me. Especially those being chased by largemouth bass.
33 posted on 04/10/2006 10:06:54 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: Pukin Dog
I'll have you know that fish love me.

Love you!? They're supposed to tremble at the mention of your name. ;-)

34 posted on 04/10/2006 10:08:37 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: arizonarachel
Well good for you. I, on the other hand, was born gorgeous and it stuck.
35 posted on 04/10/2006 10:08:51 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: Quilla
If you are a bluegill or crappie that has spent their whole life running from largemouth bass, you pray for my intervention.
36 posted on 04/10/2006 10:10:21 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: SittinYonder
An ugly kid with ugly parents just doesn't stand a chance ...

Hey! I'm doing just fine.

37 posted on 04/10/2006 10:11:32 AM PDT by TankerKC (Goose DID NOT have to die!)
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To: garyhope
And P.S.,......

Betcha most fat or obese people are poor or poorer than the wealthier.

Fat is emotional. It's a mental disorder.

Extreme thinness can be a form of narcissistic and egotistical condescension, feeling of superiority and put down of the heavier poor proles .
38 posted on 04/10/2006 10:13:07 AM PDT by garyhope (Simplicity is best in everything)
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40 posted on 04/10/2006 10:15:37 AM PDT by woofie
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

A child is considered neglected if it wanders more that TEN feet away? Ridiculous.


41 posted on 04/10/2006 10:16:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I was so ugly my momma fed me with a slingshot.
(Rodney D)


42 posted on 04/10/2006 10:19:23 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Rosie O'Donnel must not even know she has kids.


43 posted on 04/10/2006 10:19:42 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy/ "Logic is stopping at every red light on it’s way to liberalism")
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To: Pukin Dog

You're very lucky, my friend. Growing up ugly is no fun!


44 posted on 04/10/2006 10:20:27 AM PDT by arizonarachel (Praying for a January miracle!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I think you nailed it.

It has nothing to do with looks in and of themselves, but rather the care and attention those particular people give to ALL things in their lives, not just the children.

Let's see....isn't it ugly is as ugly does?


45 posted on 04/10/2006 10:22:10 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: justshutupandtakeit

I agree. When I was six, I was allowed to go wandering back into the woods, all around the neighborhood, the neighboring neighborhood, you name it.

That was in 1972-1973. Stranger abductions of children were about at the rate then what they are now. That is to say, almost nonexistent. Parents worry way too much.


46 posted on 04/10/2006 10:22:49 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Rakkasan1
I was so ugly my momma fed me with a slingshot.

My momma rocked me to sleep
with real big rocks.

47 posted on 04/10/2006 10:23:31 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

A fine example of an acausal relationship.


48 posted on 04/10/2006 10:24:09 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Pukin Dog

Maybe if you looked more like a fish...you'd catch more.

And you thought that gorgeous thing actually worked for you. Ha!


49 posted on 04/10/2006 10:24:42 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That's funny, most of the women I see neglecting their children are the frilly, let's go get our nails done types.

Sounds like this guy has some issues with less than attractive people.


50 posted on 04/10/2006 10:25:14 AM PDT by sandbar
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