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1999 Document Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Lab to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents..
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-war documents. ^ | April 10 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:03 AM PDT by jveritas

1999 Document: Chemical Platoons Applied Training In Chemical Laboratory to Detect Nerve Agents, VX Agents, Mustard Gas

Document BIAP 2003-003543 talks about the training of the Iraqi Chemical Platoon in Al Qadisya Air base. It contains training programs of 1994, 1995, 1996, and 1999.

In the Chemical training program of the year 1999, page 153 of the document, there is section concerning the “Field Chemical Laboratory”, and in this section listed the both “Theoretical Training Schedule” and “The Practical (Applied) Training Schedule” to Detection of Nerve Gas Agent, VX agent, Sulfuric Mustard Agent, and Agent that contains Cyanide.

Pages 101, 103 of the document deal with the 1996 Chemical training program and this documents it shows as well how to Detection of in the Laboratory Agent KS that contain Cyanide, Agent KS that contain Sulfuric Mustard, and Agent VX.

In the 1994 and 1996 Chemical training programs, I noticed that the TOP SECRET memos concerning these training programs were written on the back of papers that has English text in the front. The English texts were about standard construction information using water and cement, etc... If you open the document (start on page 77), you can notice the front page English text of the memo and the Top secret Arabic memo written on the back pages. This was clearly a deception scheme by the Iraqis to hide the information of Chemical training programs from UN inspectors, because in that period the UN inspectors were still in Iraq whereas in 1999 they were not there after they were kicked out by Saddam in 1998.

Most of the correspondences related to the Al Qadisya Air Base documents (spanning from 1988 to 2002) that I have read are related to the Chemical training programs and it looks like the Iraqis had an obsession with these types of training, one tournament after another, after another to train their Chemical Platoons and other members of the armed forces. They conduct many of these training programs each year and in many air force bases. From these documents, it appears to be that their air force bases whole existence was to conduct Chemical trainings.

Beginning of Partial translation of page 153 in Document BIAP 2003-003543 for Chemical Training Program in 1999

Details

4. Field Chemical Laboratory

First. Knowing the Field Chemical Laboratory

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

B. Security measures when working in the Field Chemical

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

C. Detection of the Nerve Agent via the Laboratory

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

D. Detection of Agent K.S that contain the element Arsenic.

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

E. Detection of the Sulfuric Mustard via the Laboratory.

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

F. Detection of Agent K.S that contains Cyanide

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

G. Detection of Tabun in the Laboratory.

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

H. The method to examine the Decontamination Detergents via the Laboratory.

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

Detection of the Agent V.X in the Laboratory.

Number of Hours: Theoretical 1, Applied 1, Total 2.

End of partial translation of page 153.

Beginning of Partial translation of pages 101 and 103 (1996 Chemical Training Program) of BIAP 2003-003543

Top Secret

Date 2/1/96

Hours 2, 3, 4

Organizing the paper work to fix the Chemical equipments and devices

Date 10/1

Hours 2, 3, 4

Detection of The Nerve Agents via the Field Laboratory

Date 28/1

Hours 2, 3, 4

Detection of KS agent that contain Cyanide

Date 29/1

Hours 2, 3, 4

Detection of the Sulfuric Mustard in the Laboratory.

Date 30/1

Hours 2, 3, 4

Detection of of Mustard and Sulfurs in the Laboratory

Date 13/2

Hours 2, 3, 4

Detection of the V.X Agents in the Laboratory

End of Partial Translation of Page 101 and 103.


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Some will say that this may only small quantity of Chemical Weapons Agents to be used to train their Chemical platoon and it is not an indication of large stocks of Chemical weapons. I think that is wrong first because the mere existence of these Chemical Weapons agent, regardless of its quantity, was totally prohibited for Saddam regime to us. Second, I read hundred of pages of Al Qadysia documents and I concluded that the Iraqis were obsessed with Chemical training for their Chemical platoons and their troops. Why that obsession if they did not have the intention to produce Chemical weapons.
1 posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:06 AM PDT by jveritas
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To: eyespysomething

Saddam Chemical Weapons training.


2 posted on 04/10/2006 11:17:55 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I'm surprised anthrax isn't listed here. Thanks for the hard work, jveritas!


3 posted on 04/10/2006 11:20:16 AM PDT by Peach
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To: jveritas

I believe critics would answer your question by stating that the training was defensive in nature because they expected an enemy to use the weapons against their own troops.

Was there anything in the documents to point towards protecting their own troops from the effect of their own use of those weapons?


4 posted on 04/10/2006 11:22:49 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Peach

Anthrax will fall under the Biological Weapons Programs.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 11:22:56 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Oh, thanks for that explanation, jveritas. I never can keep the diff. between chemical and biological straight.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 11:23:29 AM PDT by Peach
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To: jveritas

They also had chemical warfare training classes at Habaniyah and I'll bet you can guess why I know this as a fact with no uncertainty.


7 posted on 04/10/2006 11:25:37 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: saganite

Training documents THAT I HAVE SEEN showed how to deploy chemical weapons.


8 posted on 04/10/2006 11:26:38 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: saganite
Sure they were telling the troops that this was for defensive purposes but every army in the world will claim the same. In fact I read the Chemical training program of the year 1989 and the Iraqis were telling their troops that this training is for defensive purposes against an attack from Israel or Iran, when we know for fact that during this period of time the Iraqis used Chemical Weapons to attack Iranians and Kurds, in fact they have used Chemical Weapons more than any other army in history of warfare.

Please keep in mind that Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes.

9 posted on 04/10/2006 11:28:11 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: saganite

Key word here are "in the laboratory". If there were no active WMD programs why would they be worried about "laboratories"?


10 posted on 04/10/2006 11:28:31 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Eagle Eye; Marine_Uncle; jveritas
Training documents THAT I HAVE SEEN showed how to deploy chemical weapons.

What language were those in?

11 posted on 04/10/2006 11:30:47 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Arabic. But the pictures didn't need translation.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 11:33:30 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: jveritas
Second, I read hundred of pages of Al Qadysia documents and I concluded that the Iraqis were obsessed with Chemical training for their Chemical platoons and their troops. Why that obsession if they did not have the intention to produce Chemical weapons.

What kind of "chemical training" were they obsessed about? I mean, the U.S. military has chemical platoons and conducts chemical training even though we no longer plan to use them ourselves. I can't recall the number of times I had to go into the ol' gas chamber to swallow my fill of CS. So I guess the question is whether the training you describe is for protection/detection/decontamination, or for delivery.

I'm not saying that I disagree with your overall conclusion, because I don't. I just want to make sure we don't overstate the case in a few instances, because we know the MSM will focus on those few overstatements as a way to discredit what otherwise is a valid conclusion.

13 posted on 04/10/2006 11:34:50 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: jveritas; Thunder 6
“The Practical (Applied) Training Schedule”

This appears to be the key to me. While it's true that chemical units do decontamination work, that is not all that this says.

A "practical training schedule" means that they are going ou to do some actual detecting. To do actual detecting, they must have the chemicals on hand for the troops to practice on.

That means, at a minimum, that they had small quantitities for training their troops.

Such small quantities would be deadly in the hands of a terrorist delivery system.

(T6 will correct me if I'm wrong.)

14 posted on 04/10/2006 11:35:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: jveritas

I wasn't questioning your contention that they weren't allowed any chemical weapons nor was I questioning your statement that this is a violation, just your statement that practicing with these weapons implied an offensive intent.

You're doing great work! Thanks for your efforts.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 11:35:22 AM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: XJarhead

They do training tournament every three months or so and each tournament last for three to four weeks. That is a lot of training for a country that is supposed not to have anything related to Chemical Warfare.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 11:37:11 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: xzins; All

That is absolutely correct XZINS. The Applied training means exactly that they were physically detecting these Chemical Weapon Agents since they do have “Theoretical training” as well where they prepare their troops to do the “Applied Training” with real Chemical Weapon Agent.


17 posted on 04/10/2006 11:40:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I haven't looked at this in detail, but this could well be defensive in nature. In other words, training to detect chemical agents dispersed by an enemy (e.g., Iran or the US). Can you point me to a clearly offensive training operation?


18 posted on 04/10/2006 11:40:50 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Wristpin

Exactly right.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 11:41:51 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Thank jveritas!

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20 posted on 04/10/2006 11:43:50 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: expatpat

see #14 & #17


21 posted on 04/10/2006 11:45:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: jveritas
They do training tournament every three months or so and each tournament last for three to four weeks.

Exactly who is undergoing this training? I mean, if it was every unit in the Iraqi army, that would be, well, strange. Spending 1/3 of your training time on chemical warfare is just bizarre.

If those were specially-designated chamical platoons, then that's probably about right because that's their specialty. I imagine our NBC platoons probably do at least the same.

22 posted on 04/10/2006 11:47:06 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: expatpat
No I cannot point to you a declared "OFFENSIVE TRAINING PROGRAM" by the Iraqis because you will not find it in any documents including those Pre 1991 era where they were not worried at all about the world knowing that they have chemical weapons. As I said before even in this pre-1991 ear they called the Chemical training program as defensive measures. However we need to remember the most important part here:

After 1991 Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes. This applied training in the Chemical Field Laboratory using Live Chemical Agents like VX, Nerve Agents, Mustard Gas, was against every UN resolution.”

23 posted on 04/10/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
THANK you for doing this, j!!

As I see this forum deteriorating into madness out there, it is YOUR work that keeps me hopeful that there is still a point to all this.

24 posted on 04/10/2006 11:49:18 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: XJarhead
XJarhead

They were Chemical Platoon and other members of the Iraqi military, however it was the Chemical platoons that conducted the training.

Please keep in mind that Iraq was not supposed to be treated like any other army when it comes to Chemical Warfare including his Chemical Platoon training. They were not supposed at all to have any Chemical Weapons agent even if it is a small quantity. We simply cannot compare our NBC platoon training to that of the Iraqi and assume that the Iraqi have the same right of training as our NBC units.

25 posted on 04/10/2006 11:51:31 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
After 1991 Iraq was absolutely prohibited from having any Chemical Weapons Agents no matter how small the quantity is and no matter whether it was for defensive or offensive purposes. This applied training in the Chemical Field Laboratory using Live Chemical Agents like VX, Nerve Agents, Mustard Gas, was against every UN resolution.”

BTTT

26 posted on 04/10/2006 11:51:54 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: chillout

Here's the latest document translation.


27 posted on 04/10/2006 11:52:23 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas

BTTT!


28 posted on 04/10/2006 11:55:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: jveritas
jveritas Bump.

29 posted on 04/10/2006 12:00:11 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: All
In one Iraqi Document dated 1998 the UN inspection teams made a big deal out the word “Special” found on a folder in the Al Qadysia airbase. If the word "Special" created such a reaction from the UN inspectors, then I guarantee for you that the UN inspectors did not know about this secret Chemical training using Live Nerve Agent, VX Agents, Mustard Gas, in Chemical Field Laboratories else this would have created a major world wide incident back then.

As I said before the Chemical training top secret memos in 1994, 1996 were written on the back of papers that has English text in the front. The English texts were about standard construction information using water and cement, etc... This was clearly a deception scheme by the Iraqis to hide the information of Chemical training programs from UN inspectors, because in that period the UN inspectors were still in Iraq because the UN inspectors were in Iraq up to 1998 and they were kicked after that and not return until November 2002.

30 posted on 04/10/2006 12:05:28 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
We simply cannot compare our NBC platoon training to that of the Iraqi and assume that the Iraqi have the same right of training as our NBC units.

I honestly don't know if that's correct. I recall during the invasion that we captured some very small quantities of agents that were considered to be only for detection purposes, rather than offensive use. And nobody really considered that to be an issue. And in fairness, I don't think it should have been.

The legit purpose of the resolutions was to prevent them from using chemical weapons on the battlefield, not preventing them from protecting themselves against someone else's use. I don't think anyone here would have supported a war if the sole basis is that the Iraqis had kept tiny quantities of chems for use in detection kits and defensive training. I'm as pro-war as they come, and I don't think that would have justified anything.

31 posted on 04/10/2006 12:17:01 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: jveritas
Thanks for the link in your post and the clarification of the UN violations concerning Chemical and Biological Weapons to the other readers. The MSM in the US and the administration is playing dumb because of info we have found that most likely implicates the under the table dealings from 1991-2000 of UN Security Council members regarding this exact subject. Notice how France and Germany have STFU'd about slamming the US in Iraq?
32 posted on 04/10/2006 12:18:34 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: jveritas
The UN weapons inspectors hired a US firm to conduct geophysical investigations during the time period from approximately 1997-98 for possible buried items in Iraq. Included among their "finds"were areas where the geophysical people's electromagnetics determined there were dumped chemicals. It was clear that part of the Iraqi's method for beating the system was to dump/bury suspect items before the weapons inspectors could find them.

The geophysics people described the Iraq country side pristine as compared to lots of buried wires, pipes, etc. in the US.
33 posted on 04/10/2006 12:20:34 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: RSmithOpt

Notice how France and Germany have STFU'd about slamming the US in Iraq?


I think that has more to do with the change in the govt of Germany than anything else.


34 posted on 04/10/2006 12:20:57 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: jveritas

You make me want to learn Arabic so I can help you out with this.


35 posted on 04/10/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: XJarhead

All this is true if it was not SADDAM HUSSEIN. However since it was Saddam military who used Chemicals Weapons for offensive purposes more than any other military in history then we simply cannot allow them to possess any type of Chemical weapons agents even for a small quantity even for a defensive purpose, because if they were still in power and the appropriate time would have come they would have produce these type of weapons at much larger scale for offensive purposes.


36 posted on 04/10/2006 12:26:27 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Western Phil

Thank you for the information.


37 posted on 04/10/2006 12:27:04 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: RSmithOpt

Yes I noticed :)


38 posted on 04/10/2006 12:27:48 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: July 4th

I will be glad to teach you :)


39 posted on 04/10/2006 12:32:09 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
we simply cannot allow them to possess any type of Chemical weapons agents even for a small quantity even for a defensive purpose,

I'm not sure that was even a part of the ceasefire or resolutions.

because if they were still in power and the appropriate time would have come they would have produce these type of weapons at much larger scale for offensive purposes.

But they could have produced them on a large scale anyway, regardless of whether they'd kept small amounts or not. When you're talking about trace amounts for testing and producing large amounts for offensive use, one has nothing to do with the other.

Like I said, I'd hate to see us push this point because it just isn't very strong. I think you'll find more military types agreeing with me on that.

40 posted on 04/10/2006 12:33:49 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: jveritas

Thanks again jveritas!


41 posted on 04/10/2006 12:38:08 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still re-enlisting. :-)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; Eagle Eye
One thing not being brought out if I may. IMHO, many of these units could have been training so that when the time came to quickly move wmd components as suggested here, to bury in remote desert areas, dump in creeks and rivers, dump in remote desert wasteland areas, load on trucks, etc., special teams would perhaps have been required (sounds stupid but may Saddam and goons did not want to have their soldiers poisioned as they dumped stuff and may have had accidents), keep abreast as how to handle these chemicals.
We know at a few military sites, in bunkers where munitions where stored, that our guys found gas masks, syringes, and vials of atropine, as well as some detection kits for some of the named items.
But the bottom line is Iraq was supposed to not only destroy it's entire store of bio/chemicals but provide sufficient proof to the inspectors as how they managed these projects.
In that we now know they where not only lacking but deliberatly set out to deceive the inspectures at every opportunity.
42 posted on 04/10/2006 12:42:44 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: XJarhead
I'm not sure that was even a part of the ceasefire or resolutions

I guarantee for you that they were not supposed to have even one ounce of VX agent or Nerve agent, or Mustard Gas.

I know that many will say "SO What?" show us the Chemical Weapon stocks and then we believe that Saddam has WMD. This is a weak argument because as I said before whenever they had the opportunity to produce it on mass scale they will do so. We toppled Saddam Regime not because of his stocks of WMD but because of his great danger to the region and in a world after 9/11 you cannot allow such a man to stay in power because even if he did not have large quantify of WMD, he will produce them and use them on a large scale when the opportune time will come.

If you know Arabic and read the many documents and hundred of pages about AL Qadisya Air base, will be shocked with their obsession with the Chemical Platoons, Chemical Classifications, Chemical training etc... Almost everything in these air bases revolve around the Chemical programs.

43 posted on 04/10/2006 12:44:00 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Great post Marine_Uncle.


44 posted on 04/10/2006 12:45:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: saganite

Good point, but what about France and all of a sudden Europe seems to be changing its stance on immigration, Muslims etc.?
Notice how Syria is very quite and so is Putin. Iran & N. Korea seems to be the only constant vocal irritants recently.


45 posted on 04/10/2006 12:47:02 PM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: jveritas
I agree with everything you said about the threat he posed, and I believe then and believe now that we were right to take his regime down. But I don't think that decision has anything to do with Iraq maintaining small test quantities of chemical weapons. Like I said, whether or not he would produce larger quantities has nothing to do with keeping small test quantities.

Chemical weapons are different from bios in that regard. With bio weapons, you grow new cultures from the old, so maintaining even a small stockpile has to be prohibited. But with chems, you just manufacture them without needing a starter. The tiny amounts used for detection and testing aren't of any use on the battlefield.

46 posted on 04/10/2006 12:50:10 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
I can see your persistant call for caution on this one. Better to proceed slowly, try to link with other documents, and as yet untranslated ones.
One does not want to get egg in the face. Plus one does not want to diminish the already solid finds the Harmony Databases is producing. One false or weak arugument coming out of FR, and the L/MSM will decend like vultures on a carcass.
47 posted on 04/10/2006 12:51:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: jveritas

Sir, I noticed documents released on 4/07 and 4/08 have been "pulled" from the website. A couple of them looked rather interesting.

Any thoughts ?


48 posted on 04/10/2006 12:59:43 PM PDT by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thanks -- that's exactly my point. Don't give them an excuse to diminish the importance of the overall finds.
49 posted on 04/10/2006 1:00:24 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: jveritas
Jveritas,

No doubt the MSM peeks in here each day and no doubt with each of your translations the MSM is getting an increasingly worse migraine headache as critical mass approaches.

They (MSM) know that at some point that they will have to begin reporting on the new information coming from the documents. And they also know that saying the documents are fake won't work.

Jveritas and all the other translators have the MSM in a real quagmire.

Good work!
50 posted on 04/10/2006 1:02:10 PM PDT by avacado
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