Posted on 04/10/2006 3:07:01 PM PDT by Spiff
Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 04.10.2006
advertisementA scuffle that broke out after counter-protestors torched a Mexican flag at Armory Park resulted in four or five people being taken into custody by Tucson police.
Police initially detained a young Hispanic woman in the wake of the flag burning and were escorting the woman to the Police Department’s downtown headquarters as a group of protestors followed.
The confrontation escalated when one man tried to break through a ring of officers surrounding the woman and he and several others were also detained.
About 11 people calling themselves the Border Guardians gathered at Armory park to burn a Mexican flag, a protest similar to one the group had Sunday in front of the Mexican consulate in Tucson.
The Border Guardians were surrounded by police as well as marchers, who locked their arms together with their backs to the counter-protesters and implored the massive crowd to ignore the burning.
An estimated 10,000 marchers had arrived at the Downtown park about noon Monday, where they were met by fewer than a dozen counter-protesters carrying anti-immigrant signs.
Specially trained crowd controllers wearing yellow armbands urged the crowd to remain peaceful, as it has been all morning.
More than 460 rows of marchers, each row at least 25 abreast, filled the streets on the route from a South Side church to Downtown, part of a nationwide protest against proposed legislation that would make it a felony for illegal immigrants to be in the United States.
Meanwhile, Tucson Unified School District reported 8,000 students, or about 13 percent of its student body, were absent Monday. That’s far more absences than usual, school officials said, but they couldn’t immediately say how many are typical on a Monday. TUSD also counted at least 520 classroom teachers out Monday, but says it was able to cover most classes with substitute teachers.
The march began at the corner of South 12th Avenue and Ajo Way, at St. John’s Catholic Church. From there, marchers streamed down 12th to 10th Avenue and on to Armory Park. At the park, speakers took the stage, leading protestors in chants and song.
Jacob Ruiz, 32, A U.S.-born Hispanic who carried a Mexican and American flag sewn together back-to-back so both were displayed, said he was marching to show his support for immigrant rights. “They build America one house at a time, one wall at a time,” said the draftsman. “Their work is permanent and so should their residency."
Debbie McQueen stood across the street from Armory Park holding a sign that said “No to Amnesty.” Someone tossed a couple of water bottles at her and a companion, but neither was hit.
McQueen said, “I’m here as an American citizen, not to protest, but to have my opinion heard as well.”
Among the marchers was Miguel Santos Nunez, 39, from Mexico, who has lived in Tucson five years, working in construction carpentry, while his wife and three children still live in Mexico. His boss gave him the day off to march, he said, and he hopes that the marches "some way or another pressure the legislators."
Many of the signs protested the legislation, HR 4437. Activist groups handed out American flags, white T-shirts and water bottles to the marchers, who hoisted signs with messages including "This is what America looks like,” “We are workers, not criminals” and "We march today, we vote tomorrow."
Some people carried Mexican flags, but those were far outnumbered by the Stars and Stripes on display. Two protesters had sewn an American flag and a Mexican flag together, which they carried as a banner. Mingled in with the crowd were some parents pushing toddlers in strollers.
Liz Macias, 29, who took the day off from her job at a real estate company, marched with her son Carlos Cuestas, 10, a Davis Bilingual Elementary chool student. She said she was marching because she wants her son “to understand what his family has gone through to better themselves.”
Her son said he felt missing a day of school was worthwhile because “what I learned today is that it’s right to fight for your rights — and what you can do about it and how.”
Also in the crowd was Matt Hogel, 30, a middle school teacher at the Arizona Schools for the Deaf and the Blind. The U.S. Navy veteran, who described himself as a Republican, said, “I wanted to show my support and appreciation for the immigant working community here in the country. Whatever they are getting out of our country, we are getting tenfold from them, and people need to understand that.”
At about 10th Street, north of Pueblo High School, a lone counter- protestor who declined to identify himself held up a sign reading “Illegal? No rights.” As the marchers passed Pueblo High School, some students left campus to join them.
Other students were already taking part in the day’s protests. Shortly after 9 a.m., a group of 200 students walked off of the campus of Tucson High School near North Euclid Avenue and East Sixth Street, headed toward Downtown.
Carolina and Daniel Villascuesa accompanied their children, Joe and Antoinette Tafoya, both Tucson High students, to the federal courthouse. “I’ve always been a silent advocate,” said Carolina, but after talking to her children about immigration issues, she and her husband decided that they had to join them in the march. Roughly 1,500 of Tucson High Magnet School’s 2,600 students were absent this morning and 200 more walked off campus.
At Davis Bilingual Elementary Magnet School, 500 W. St. Mary's Road, the entire faculty of 16 was absent. But with only 30 students at the school, substitutes were able to cover.
In neighboring Sunnyside Unified School District, teacher absences were down today, but more than 1,600 students were absent.
And at Amphitheater High School, things went on as normal with no usually high teacher or student absences reported.
Star reporters Brady McCombs, Tom Beal, Daniel Scarpinato and Lourdes Medrano contributed to this report.
Ping
Bound to happen eventually.
I'm honestly surprised it took this long....
My preference would be to chant back, "You march today, we deport your arse tomorrow..." If only...
Thanks for the info.. and good work. I'm thinking this type of thing will become more widespread as the illegals begin to become more impatient..sensing they might not get their way. ..it could explode.
Stop the invaders, close the border. One illegal alien protesting for their 'rights' in the streets of America is annoying, Millions of illegals protesting is an Foreign Invasion.
He said that his group was repeatedly threatened with violence and death by the "peaceful, American-flag waving migrants' rights supporters". Several water bottles were hurled at them with great force. He, somehow, avoided getting hit but others with him were hit HARD. It took 2 rings of police to protect them from the violent thugs who wanted to kill them.
They had 15-20 people in their group. They tread upon and tore a Mexican flag on the ground. They successfully burned that flag as well as a new one brought to the event to be burned.
They recognized several of the thugs as the same ones who disrupted a pro-border security rally in 2004 in downtown Tucson. These guys, with shaved heads and wearing bandannas as masks, came into the rally in 2004 and started pushing people around and intimidating them. They threatened senior citizens and children at the rally. They were recognized by other features such as tatoos. The group got several photos of the thugs who were making threats to kill them.
Police had to escort the flag burners, using a motorcycle escort, to the parking lot and guard them until they left the area.
One of the organizers of this protest had this to say, "They can try to hide behind their newly purchased American flags, but these are the same marchers that were there 2 weeks with the same message and the same hate for America and Americans."
Cinco De Mayo is national Mexican flag burning day.
Jacob Ruiz, 32, A U.S.-born Hispanic who carried a Mexican and American flag sewn together back-to-back so both were displayed, said he was marching to show his support for immigrant rights. “They build America one house at a time, one wall at a time,” said the draftsman. “Their work is permanent and so should their residency."
Only doing the jobs Americans don't want?
Last time I checked, Americans working in the construction industry were desperate for jobs.
Perhaps these wetbacks and their $5 wages have undercut the indigenous job market?
Who's your boss again?....
And before anyone beats you up for employing the pejorative term "wetback", I wish to remind them that the term "wetback" refers specifically to ILLEGAL ALIENS. Its origins lie in the many aliens who crossed the Rio Grande when breaking and entering the United States and would literally come out of the river dripping wet. The most successful Border Patrol operation in the history of the United States occurred in 1954 and it was called "Operation Wetback". That operation, by the way, deported or scared away over 1 million illegal aliens - a HUGE number for the few that were in the country back then. The term does not apply to hispanics/latinos/chicanos in general, as some would pretend, unless they are here illegally. It is not a racist term. Neither hispanic, latino, nor chicano are races anyway. So, you're going to get slammed, or your post may get pulled, but that's the fact of the matter about the term "wetback".
"Perhaps these wetbacks and their $5 wages have undercut the indigenous job market?"
They are getting $20+/hr but are being paid in cash/no deductions.
The low lifes that stand on the corner looking for work won't work for less than $10/hr plus transportation and lunch.
The Dallas march started at the catholic church as well. The catholic church is heavily involved in this matter.
One of several assaults on US citizens by those protesting on the behalf of felons.
LOL.....now THAT'S a great idea~!!!!
I'm going to let all of you in on a little secret: If someone burns a Mexican flag in the presence of Mexicans, someone is eventually going to get killed. They simply do NOT tolerate such behavior. Now, why aren't we as protective of our flag/sovreignty as they are?
Why don't you say how many were actually deported?
I wholeheartedly agree. However, make sure you're wearing body armor and have backup ready.
"They threatened senior citizens and children at the rally."
That puts my blood pressure at critical..
Added the keyword, "ILLEGALALIENASSAULTS."
Any more like this, please do the same. Thanks.
"The Dallas march started at the catholic church as well."
And the one in Seattle.
The one in Denver will be at Sloan's Lake.
How insane. People break into your house, and demand to live there. What would Liberals do if you broke into their house and demanded to live there? Would they welcome you, call the cops, or use force to get you out?
No one has ever burned an American flag in my presence. I would not stand by and watch.
Good idea. Maybe someone should build a website that allows visitors to virtually "burn" one.....you know, like the ones you can light a candle in memory?
I just did another Google on Operation Wetback and my original number is repeated almost everywhere. Most sources state a million or just over a million. According to one source (PBS) the operation deported "an estimated 3.8 million [illegal] immigrants, primarily Mexicans."
I agree with the latter part of your statement, though not the former. There is always a remedy, if the GOP has the will.. most doubtful though.
;)
200,000
"They are getting $20+/hr but are being paid in cash/no deductions."
Which makes them a lot cheaper to employ.
Source?
That conflicts with every other source I've found. Cherry picking?
The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers
inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists'
abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees.
Here's an interesting new thread on new legal reform progress that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts
We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well. Isn't it the
neighborly thing to do?
Lou Dobbs showed the burning of the Mexican flag. He also pointed out that more American flags were flying but some were up side down. He showed signs held by Mexicans that said "We were here first". Lou Dobbs was not fooled by any of this.
Tonight on Lou Dobbs, the Mexicans were blaming NAFTA for the reason of this huge illegal immigration problem. They are claiming they are entitled to amnesty due to the bad effects of NAFTA in Mexico.
I was just watching "Hardball with Chris Matthews" and Congress Tom Tancredo was being slandered by the other guest (an amnesty supporter). Tancredo was being called a racist and worse.
Of course we all know the answer. It comes down to which laws our congress really wants to enforce and which laws are on the books and given lip service to placate the majority.
Using you numbers, the total illegal population in the US would have been huge .
We were sold NAFTA by the free traitors as a way to stop illegal immigration. Virtually nobody but the free traitors and their allies benefited from NAFTA.
It does not justify a policy of open borders and amnesty. But again, the policy of open borders and amnesty is tolerated by free traitors.
So, you have no source and you pulled that number out of your butt.
Using you numbers, the total illegal population in the US would have been huge .
They're not "my" numbers, they are the numbers that ANYONE can see by googling "operation wetback" deportations or "operation wetback" deported
I only mentioned the PBS number to demonstrate that some estimations are even higher. Yes, the PBS number is somewhat unbelievable. NONE that I found were anywhere even close to the number that you ou pulled out of your lying, open borders loony butt.
I hadn't thought of that but an excellent idea! I wonder if our bosses would give us a day off to attend that rally....
Let's keep calling and emailing our senators, and reporting businesses with illegals to ICE: 1.866/347.2423
Lou Dobbs was called a racist by a Mexican on his show. The Mexican said America was nothing without the immigrants. Dobbs then asked him what the Mexicans would be without the U.S. This is when the Mexican started ranting about NAFTA but never asnwered the question.
I often point out that the immigration websites contain a lot of mis-info. This issue of how many were deported proves that.
Your link to a google searh yielded VDare at the top. That article uses the phrase, "possibly a million".
Below that is found a very informative article published in the Handbook of Texas History, which is a very credible source. The phrase that they use, "The INS claimed 1,300,000 though the number officially apprehended did not come anywhere near this total".
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