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Wowie Zahawie(Sorry everyone, but Iraq did go uranium shopping in Niger.)
Slate ^ | April 10, 2006 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 04/10/2006 4:37:42 PM PDT by kellynla

In the late 1980s, the Iraqi representative to the International Atomic Energy Agency—Iraq's senior public envoy for nuclear matters, in effect—was a man named Wissam al-Zahawie. After the Kuwait war in 1991, when Rolf Ekeus arrived in Baghdad to begin the inspection and disarmament work of UNSCOM, he was greeted by Zahawie, who told him in a bitter manner that "now that you have come to take away our assets," the two men could no longer be friends. (They had known each other in earlier incarnations at the United Nations in New York.)

At a later 1995 U.N. special session on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Zahawie was the Iraqi delegate and spoke heatedly about the urgent need to counterbalance Israel's nuclear capacity. At the time, most democratic countries did not have full diplomatic relations with Saddam's regime, and there were few fully accredited Iraqi ambassadors overseas, Iraq's interests often being represented by the genocidal Islamist government of Sudan (incidentally, yet another example of collusion between "secular" Baathists and the fundamentalists who were sheltering Osama Bin Laden). There was one exception—an Iraqi "window" into the world of open diplomacy—namely the mutual recognition between the Baathist regime and the Vatican. To this very important and sensitive post in Rome, Zahawie was appointed in 1997, holding the job of Saddam's ambassador to the Holy See until 2000. Those who knew him at that time remember a man much given to anti-Jewish tirades, with a standing ticket for Wagner performances at Bayreuth. (Actually, as a fan of Das Rheingold and Götterdämmerung in particular, I find I can live with this. Hitler secretly preferred sickly kitsch like Franz Lehar.)

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1 posted on 04/10/2006 4:37:44 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Who knew?


2 posted on 04/10/2006 4:38:41 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: HoosierHawk

"Who knew?"

Not Joe Wilson.


3 posted on 04/10/2006 4:46:09 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: kellynla

I am utterly sick and tired of this childish crap about how Bush lied us into war. The only liars I see are some Democrats, some members of the news media, and their friends on the Left. And their lying is nothing but totally politically motivated.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 4:54:08 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

I forgot about him. And The New York Times and The Washington Post and Reuters and the rest of the lame stream media and Conyers and...


5 posted on 04/10/2006 4:59:26 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: popdonnelly
Not Joe Wilson.

Yeah, he knew as well, but politics dictated that he should lie.

6 posted on 04/10/2006 5:04:17 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: popdonnelly
Saddam Hussein was a bad actor who needed to be removed.
And I am glad we did what needed to be done.
I certainly feel safer with Saddam captured and Iraq liberated than not.
And to liberate Iraq in less than three years with less than two thousand KIA's is nothing short of remarkable.
If you recall prior to the Iraq war, the so called "experts" predicted ten of thousands of dead if we invaded.
And as far as the WMD's are concerned, chances are they were either moved to Syria or dumped in the Euphrates or both. But as far as I am concerned, the day we captured Saddam Hussein was the day we found the WMD in Iraq.

Semper Fi,
Kelly
7 posted on 04/10/2006 5:04:51 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: popdonnelly
I am utterly sick and tired of this childish crap about how Bush lied us into war. The only liars I see are some Democrats, some members of the news media, and their friends on the Left. And their lying is nothing but totally politically motivated.

Yep, it's purely political. The Dems decided to not miss a beat and start working toward the next election the second Bush took office.

8 posted on 04/10/2006 5:07:44 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: kellynla

Stupid Question: Is it possible that the CIA in their lust to get Bush, tried to pull a Rather? That is, they put out obviously fake docs in the hope that the Bush Admin would take the bait, then expose them as fakes?


9 posted on 04/10/2006 5:08:02 PM PDT by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: popdonnelly

Joeblow Wilson was looking for yellow cake - literally - the dumba**.


10 posted on 04/10/2006 5:08:35 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: sportutegrl; kellynla
Is it possible that the CIA in their lust to get Bush, tried to pull a Rather?

Yes.

Actually, the French did, and CIA and the Wilsons were their witting accomplices. Thats why some people are starting to call it a coup attempt.

11 posted on 04/10/2006 5:13:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: kellynla

I am getting sick and tired of all this nuanced analysis, traceability, politico/pundit drivel.

The falthy bistards attacked the United States and killed 3,000 of us on September 11. That was not the first time.

Kill 'em all...then fire for effect.


12 posted on 04/10/2006 5:14:52 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
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To: sportutegrl

who knows...


but anyone who thinks removing removing Saddam Hussein was a mistake is dumber than dirt...
we reeeeely should have done the deed and finished the job in 1991!

I agree with Gen. Patton "I hate paying for the same real estate twice."


13 posted on 04/10/2006 5:18:36 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Just wanted to note that it was the State Department who sent the obvious fakes to the IAEA. The CIA had already ruled them fakes months earlier but in a comedy of errors (or deliberate errors), State sent to them the IAEA.


14 posted on 04/10/2006 5:27:08 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: JustDoItAlways

I've always been curious as to how the forged docs eventually found there way to the IAEA. Maybe someday someone will be able to draw a diagram.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 5:34:06 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly; Fedora; okie01

"Who knew?"

"Not Joe Wilson."

Really? He went to Niger in 1999 also. Also at the recommedation of his wife. That part was mostly redacted in the SI Report.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 5:34:10 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: popdonnelly

planted by the french as a poison pill to discredit what was otherwise a true story - French interests served as the brokers between iraq and niger, and wanted to cover their tracks.

the white house gave up too soon on making this case, and exposing this.


17 posted on 04/10/2006 5:37:24 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: popdonnelly

Senate Intelligence Committee report on Iraqi intelligence - Chapter 7 Niger.


18 posted on 04/10/2006 5:38:00 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: kellynla

Bump.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 5:39:20 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: JustDoItAlways
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The former ambassador had traveled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf [redacted]. The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region [redacted]. Because the former ambassador did not uncover any information about [redacted] during his visit to Niger, CPD did not distribute an intelligence report on the visit.

20 posted on 04/10/2006 5:44:01 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Really? He went to Niger in 1999 also. Also at the recommedation of his wife.

So...........................................

What did Joe know? And when did he know it?

21 posted on 04/10/2006 6:06:44 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: kellynla

Chris Hitchens used to get his kicks exposing the dark underbelly of the Nixon/Kissinger foreign policy moves.

I like him better now, exposing the dark underbelly of the saddam/terrorism/jihadist/UN-oil-for-food-scandal foreign policy moves.


22 posted on 04/10/2006 6:08:13 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: kellynla

Those of us who get to listen to John Batchelor Show heard it over a year ago from John Loftus.


23 posted on 04/10/2006 6:16:16 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: okie01

"What did Joe know? And when did he know it?"


irrelevant...

anyone who didn't know Saddam Hussein had WMD was not paying attention when he used them on the Kurds and the Iranians.

PLUS

Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms



Posted: April 26, 2004
1:36 p.m. Eastern

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By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.

Key assertions by the intelligence community widely judged in the media and by critics of President Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all.

But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.

In virtually every case -- chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles -- the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.

The Iraq Survey Group, ISG, whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight.

"There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."

Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner.

The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.

Both Duelfer and Kay found Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects."

They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.

But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence.

"Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.

"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.

When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice.

Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:


A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?

"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"

New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.

A line of unmanned aerial vehicles, UAVs, or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."

"Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."

"Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] -- well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles -- probably the No Dong -- 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.

In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents.

The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."

In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program."

What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security."

The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons [MT] and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents -- much of it added in the last year."

That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which it no longer could account.

Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading Iraq.

But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with labels written in English?

Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory?

Stockpiles found

In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the Coalition Provisional Authority's intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working order -- but found all the same.

Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for Iraqi WMD scientists.

In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been found.

Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence, in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.

But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like pesticides, which they indeed resemble.

"Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the 'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."

The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is used to produce mustard gas.

When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they have been on the significance of these caches."

Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."

Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters -- with unpleasant results.

"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump -- evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."

That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found 55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.

Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site.

"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"

At Taji -- an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of Columbia -- U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially built containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard 55-gallon drum.

Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored in ammo dumps."

Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding.

"If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things to the enemy."

The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem: Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the media and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what Iraq's weapons ought to look like. A senior administration official who has gone through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier reports from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation.

"The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles.

What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one large garage in an area the size of the state of California.

Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will continue as inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt to interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their professional lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.

"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive," one official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is not an exercise in spinning or censoring."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213







24 posted on 04/10/2006 6:17:33 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: oceanview

The French control the uranium mining in Niger.


25 posted on 04/10/2006 6:17:54 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: kellynla
but anyone who thinks removing removing Saddam Hussein was a mistake is dumber than dirt...

Cindy Sheehan! Dumb...???

Naaaaaaah.

26 posted on 04/10/2006 6:21:54 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

plus


WMDs Found in Iraq Posted Nov 9, 2005

Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.

Consider these shocking facts:

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1519227/posts


27 posted on 04/10/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Actually, at about the same time as the President's SOTU speech with "the sixteen words" and referencing "the British intelligence", Joe Wilson made a speech at Cal-Santa Barbara.

In the speech, he argued against intervening in Iraq because:

1. Saddam had WMD.

2. And he would use them.

Subsequently, Wilson repeated this argument in an op-ed for the San Jose Mercury-News.

Somehow, the left and the entire MSM have ignored Joe's history...

28 posted on 04/10/2006 6:28:14 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

As far as I'm concerned, Joe Wilson has about as much credibility as a screen door on a submarine. LOL

Semper Fi,
Kelly


29 posted on 04/10/2006 6:34:21 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Shermy

Whatever Wilson was doing in Niger, he probably wasn't looking for evidence of Iraqi uranium deals. He went twice and found nothing.


30 posted on 04/10/2006 6:41:13 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: WOSG
Just when I am about to totally give up on the Left, Hitchens comes along to show that they are'nt ALL scum.

Just most.

Cheers,

knewshound

Brew Your Own.
31 posted on 04/10/2006 6:41:37 PM PDT by knews_hound (When Blogs are Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Blogs.)
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To: kellynla

Wasnt there something about 16 words?


32 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:26 PM PDT by woofie
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To: popdonnelly

Joe Wilson knew all this. He just lied his treasonous ass off to get Bush into trouble.


33 posted on 04/10/2006 7:00:30 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Enhance Capitol security: Censure Cynthia!)
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To: popdonnelly

The big question I have is why did Bush apologize for the 16 words? They were all true--always have been true. When he came out and apologized for making a true statement, he ceded this issue to the anti-American lefties. Talk about stepping on your own crank. If there's grounds for impeachment, it for being stupid enough to apologize for speaking the truth!


34 posted on 04/10/2006 7:03:16 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Enhance Capitol security: Censure Cynthia!)
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To: Mitchell; Shermy; restornu

A very useful, interesting article.

Of course
those of us who listen to the John Batchelor show
knew most of this months ago.


35 posted on 04/10/2006 7:13:16 PM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: popdonnelly
Not Joe Wilson.

Oh yes he did.......HE was the one who briefed the CIA Chief when he returned from his TRIP.

After giving his report to the CIA he then turned around and LIED to the NY TIMES and the entire MSM about the mission.

There is something VERY WRONG with our intelligence system and the laws that govern it, when an emissary [Joe Wilson] can tell the CIA Director ONE thing and the MSM another.

Not only does he get BY WITH IT LEGALLY but the MSM gets to LIE about it for YEARS with no ramifications whatsoever for either party!!

36 posted on 04/10/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: Howlin

Seen this yet?


37 posted on 04/10/2006 7:25:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: popdonnelly
I've always been curious as to how the forged docs eventually found there way to the IAEA. Maybe someday someone will be able to draw a diagram.

There is absolutely not a doubt in my mind that Bush knows. Behind the scenes, people are already paying dearly. And I suspect there is plenty more to come. The scumbag Democrats have been well aware of this from the beginning - - and it is why they were so utterly desperate to win in '04. But they lost, big time.

Trust Bush. He and Rove are well aware that polls and approval ratings are meaningless in April. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and six months is an eternity in politics, let alone nearly three more years.

38 posted on 04/10/2006 7:59:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

when? at some point, if you wait too long to release the truth - no one is willing to listen except people like us - who ALREADY know the truth.


39 posted on 04/10/2006 8:01:52 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Shermy
Posting some of the redacted text for reference--from the Senate report, Chapter 2, pp. 3 and 4:

Several analysts interviewed by Committee staff also pointed out that information in the second intelligence report matched [rest of line and beginning of next line deleted] reporting fiom 1999 which showed that an Algerian businessman, Baraka, was arranging a trip for the Iraqi Ambassador to the Vatican, Wissam al-Zahami, to visit Niger and other African countries in early Feburary 1999 [remainder of line and next 3 lines deleted]..

SNIP

The former ambassador had travelled previously to Niger on the CIA's behalf [end of line, next line, and beginning of second-next line deleted]. The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region [half line deleted]. Because the former ambassador did not uncover any information about [one word deleted] during this visit to Niger, CPD did not distribute an intelligencereport on the visit.

This is interesting to relate to reports such as these:

Intelligence backs claim Iraq tried to buy uranium

Intelligence officers learned between 1999 and 2001 that uranium smugglers planned to sell illicitly mined Nigerien uranium ore, or refined ore called yellow cake, to Iran, Libya, China, North Korea and Iraq.

Iraqi WMD Debate and Intelligence: the Links to Libya

On November 8, 2000, GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily noted:

“The Libyan acquisition of NoDong-1 SSMs is the result of a joint Egyptian-Iraqi-Libyan crash program to overcome delays in production of indigenous SSMs. Initially, the Egyptians and the Iraqis wanted to expedite the production of their own missile in Libya. Cairo arranged for Tripoli to provide cover for the revival of the Bad’r/Condor program which could no longer take place in Iraq and now also not in Egypt because of the exposure by the US of the North Korean (DPRK) rôle and a consequent US pressure to stop the program. Therefore, the Libyans initiated their relations with the DPRK on behalf of Cairo and Baghdad.”

That report, by GIS Senior Editor Yossef Bodansky, and based on known and reliable intelligence sources, continued:

“... [I]n the late Summer of 1999, Cairo and Baghdad urged Tripoli to purchase North Korean NoDong-1 SSMs on their behalf with the idea that Libya would keep a few of them for its own use. At the behest of Pres. Mubarak and Iraqi Pres. Saddam Hussein, Col. Qadhafi instructed General Abu-Bakr Jabir, the Libyan Defense Minister and Army Chief of Staff — who also holds overall responsibility for the Libyan missile program — to personally devise a more direct way to acquire these missiles. Desperate for hard currency, Pyongyang expressed willingness to deliver numerous NoDong-1 SSMs the moment hard currency was delivered in a ‘safe laundered method’. A North Korean delegation arrived in Tripoli to discuss the operational requirements and, in October 1999, General Abu-Bakr Jabir signed a deal with them for the supply of NoDong-1s and related technological expertise. In the Tripoli negotiations, the Libyans stressed the imperative to have the missiles deployed operationally immediately after their arrival in Libya.”

40 posted on 04/10/2006 8:03:15 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: piasa

Ping to #40.


41 posted on 04/10/2006 8:05:46 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: oceanview

I'm guessing mid-October.
You know - - when it counts.


42 posted on 04/10/2006 8:06:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kellynla

bump for publicity


43 posted on 04/10/2006 8:27:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I know how you feel every day, every hour it seems like some kook or politician purpose it seems is to bring down this nation!

The Globalist are getting impatient with us peons or they think we are very ripe for the fall!


44 posted on 04/10/2006 8:28:24 PM PDT by restornu (American Republic endureth until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own $$)
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To: Allan

thanks for he ping


45 posted on 04/10/2006 8:29:46 PM PDT by restornu (American Republic endureth until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own $$)
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To: Lancey Howard

Please be right


46 posted on 04/10/2006 8:30:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Fedora

bttt


47 posted on 04/10/2006 8:52:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: kellynla
"pesticides"

If Clinton or Gore had invaded Iraq and our soldiers found these items, Big Media would be screaming about the "huge stockpiles" of wmds that we've found. It's all political and the silence or outright lies about the findings by Big Media and anti-Bush ISG members makes me conclude that we have as many enemies inside our borders as outside.

There is just too much smoke and plenty of hard evidence to not conclude that Hussein was the threat Bush said he was. And with the release of Hussein's docs which conclusively prove his plans to continue his wmd programs and spread terror, allied with Bin-Laden, seals the case against him.

48 posted on 04/11/2006 6:41:35 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: kellynla
"shocking facts"

Oh yes, I remember reading about that in the New York Times and the Wash Post that day when they had those huge headlines detailing all our findings. (/sarcasm)

49 posted on 04/11/2006 6:44:57 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: OldFriend

The French control most things in their former colonies, they even act as guarantors to the CFA Franc, used in many West African countries.

Regards, Ivan


50 posted on 04/11/2006 6:47:48 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ya hya chouhada! Dune fans, visit - http://www.thesietch.com/)
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