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Communist Mexico?
www.inatoday.com ^ | March 2006

Posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Nearly 15 years after the collapse of the USSR, America could encounter what would have been unthinkable during the Cold War - a hostile, communist nation on our southern border. If the plans of the Marxist president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, are successful, America's neighbor to the south will become a virtual enemy camp.

For the past five years, Chavez has sent money and agents to Mexico to finance and infiltrate local political groups on the left, according to a Mexican news daily The goal is ideological -- pro-Chavez operatives want to dominate the increasingly powerful left wing in Mexico.

The Chavez strategy is in a critical phase. The Mexican presidential election is scheduled for July 2, 2006, and the favored candidate to win is Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, a leftist who is currently leading his closest opponent, Felipe Calderon, by over ten percentage points.

Obrador claims not to have any affiliations beyond Mexico's historical political traditions, but his supporters include militant socialists who openly support the communist rebels in Colombia, a conflict which has taken tens of thousands of lives. Many others have developed a loyalty to Chavez and his particular brand of Marxism.

Chavez has borrowed from Lenin, Mao, and Fidel Castro of Cuba, among others, to develop "bolivarian" socialism, what is termed "21st century socialism," which, so far, looks very similar to other Marxist schemes. The term "bolivarian" comes from the name of the great South American liberator, Simon Bolivar, who defeated Spanish colonial forces in the early 19th century.

Should Obrador win, as many expect, a large number of his supporters will be communist militants willing to use force to bring leftist policies into reality.

To ensure that Mexico's version of "bolivarian socialism" has the ability to assert its will effectively, Chavez has already supplied "logistics" and "military training" to leftist rebel groups, according to the report.

In Venezuela, "bolivarian" supporters have been able to threaten and intimidate opponents by using weapons and strong-arm tactics. Mexico may be headed for a similar fate.

The prospect of a communist Mexico is only the latest blow to the U.S. in Latin America, once America's "backyard." The pro-terror Islamic Republic of Iran is a close ally of Venezuela, and may seek to share nuclear secrets with its Marxist ally. There are also reports that Venezuela may seek rocket technology from the Stalinist gulag of North Korea.

Venezuela's Marxist partner in the Caribbean, Castro's Cuba, recently played host to a top-level military delegation from China, led by General Peng Xiaofeng, who was the chief political officer of the PLA's nuclear forces.

Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, and Bolivia all have leftist governments with varying degrees of hostility to the U.S.

The media is ignoring the red tide sweeping across Latin America, and the federal government seems unwilling to respond. The situation becomes even more alarming in view of our inept policies concerning the control of our borders.

Let your representatives know what you think about these issues, which the established media fails to cover.


TOPICS: Extended News; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: antiamericanaxis; bear; bolivariancircles; bolivia; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; chicoms; china; coldwar2; communism; cuba; danielortega; dragon; evilempire; hegemony; hugochavez; hugoping; illegalaliens; invasionusa; kalashnikov; kazakhstan; kgb; manuellopezobrador; mexico; nicaragua; obrador; openborders; peru; putin; reddawn; russia; soviets; sovietunion; ussr; venezuela; vietnam; vladimirputin; wolverines; worldwariii
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1 posted on 04/10/2006 6:53:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well... communist neighbors tend to build good fences... maybe there's a silver lining y'all ain't considered. :-)


2 posted on 04/10/2006 6:54:38 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Remember RED DAWN!!!


3 posted on 04/10/2006 6:55:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Just thinking about that. Panned by the critics, but I lived in the area and therefore enjoyed it.


4 posted on 04/10/2006 6:58:00 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chavez is probably absolutely delighted he has all these illegals who are faithful to mexico living in this country are even demonstrating against us. They have taken over our streets again and again and again!

Chavez has a ready made army located right here with more flooding in like a cat5 every day and he doesn't have to do to much to get the socialists here and demonstrating to fight us for total control.


5 posted on 04/10/2006 6:58:50 PM PDT by stopem (Allow me to make this simple NO AMNESTY !! Secure the border with armed guards.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not only has Chavez been sending his native henchmen North through Mexico, but also Chinese Nationalists, who are trained to resemble and sound like Mexicans along the way.


6 posted on 04/10/2006 7:01:06 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Joe, the knocking on the street is at the screaming level, and Mr. and Mrs. America are still asleep. But when the giant is aroused....there will be no question how the giant will react.


7 posted on 04/10/2006 7:03:08 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (means politicians give taxpayer $$$ and amnesty? We Won?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I'm about sick of 'em all anyway. If you want to be friends with us fine. Otherwise you can go to the devil for all I care. Bunch of worthless, corrupt tin-horns down there...how much of this crap do we have to put up with?


8 posted on 04/10/2006 7:04:14 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: SandRat
I doubt Bush would even care..........

In fact.....I'll go as far as to claim that Bush will give the new Communist leader a big fat check right from the taxpayers wallet. (Of course .........they would have to sit through a photo opt session.)

Hey - Maybe Bush could just give 'em a credit card with no spending limit? Then I'm sure they would be our friend!
9 posted on 04/10/2006 7:04:32 PM PDT by Englishforever (No More Spanish language in America!)
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To: Ramius
or if they're stupid enough to want to get into a skirmish with us, we'll be able to swim in all our new oil reserves.
10 posted on 04/10/2006 7:11:56 PM PDT by SCHROLL (Liberalism isn't a political philosophy - it's a mental illness)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

John Batchelor is discussing this right now on WABC.

http://abcrad.wm.llnwd.net/abcrad_wabc


11 posted on 04/10/2006 7:12:18 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: SandRat

Neat Red Dawn website here:

http://www.fast-rewind.com/reddawn.htm


12 posted on 04/10/2006 7:16:46 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Englishforever
As an eternal optimist, I would put this on the table. Our leadership, whose plans seem strange at first, are sometimes influenced by knowledge and intel that is not available to the average American. Perhaps, with the border debate going on, the idea is to allow a lot of Mexicans in prior to the Mexican gov't becoming overtly hostile to us, which would close the borders, cutting off the flow of illegals, and bottling up Mexico with its own poor in a now communist nation, while saving some millions in the process. If the worst doesn't happen, and Mexico continues with its corrupt policies, the American people may wake up and demand that the borders are closed, thus ensuing the same outcome in America.......closed borders.

Of course, any scenario is just that, scenario. But if Mexico does become hostile (even more so, that is), then the poor Mexicans living here will be greatful that they are here. And the ones that are leftists will not matter, because, even in the greater scheme, they are a very small minority.

Only time will tell.
13 posted on 04/10/2006 7:17:13 PM PDT by Laz711 (The Barbarians are in Rome.........CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!)
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To: SandRat
Remember RED DAWN!!!

I think we are seeing the beginnings of it right now ... keep your powder dry ... literally

14 posted on 04/10/2006 7:18:31 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

All these millions are being organized by the labor unions including the quasi commie ones.


15 posted on 04/10/2006 7:20:23 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mexico is already pretty much communist, in the corrupt socialist police-state sense.


16 posted on 04/10/2006 7:21:30 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Obrador's Website
17 posted on 04/10/2006 7:22:45 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: SandRat
Remember RED DAWN!!!

Sorry, amigo, but wrong.

We're already a communist nation, just most of the population doesn't realize it. There will be no Red Dawn, there will be no awakening of the sleeping giant. There are laws against everything and everyone is guilty of something. Recourse, unity, Thomas Jefferson's living revolution, they are all gone. There will be no more patriot's blood spilled, only the apprehension and termination of criminals. When we are finally and fully reduced to third world status the totalitarian control will be tightened and the pretense of freedom will be completely gone. The circle won't go rotate until we are gone from the face of the earth.

Semper Fi, I guess ...

18 posted on 04/10/2006 7:24:39 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I've listened to a few Mexican nationalists. They're much more like fascists than communists. They consider themselves to be a superior race, descended from Aztecs. They get a little angry at any talk about Spaniards or Indians (native Mexicans). Most people in other Central American and South American nations are generally prejudiced against Mexicans and even try to make a point that they speak Spanish differently.


19 posted on 04/10/2006 7:30:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You can read the genesis of infiltration into Mexico by the Communist party by going to the FBI FOIA reading room and pulling up the files on the All American Anti Imperialist League.
Parts of the platform read:
The AAAIL was founded in 1927 in Mexico. They had offices in NY City. The FBI has files that well documents Russian input into the organization.
20 posted on 04/10/2006 7:32:11 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: stopem
Mexico already tried communism back in their 1917 revolution, and it failed so miserably that the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) ultimately regressed to the traditional-style corrupt feudalism prevalent throughout the Latin-American world. The concept of economic and political freedom through the inalienable rights with which our Creator endowed each individual remains confined almost exclusively to the Anglosphere--Britain, America, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and various other countries that have received extensive guidance from the foregoing (such as Japan and Germany).

But the Mexicans are fleeing a relatively successful country in the scheme of world affairs largely because it has (at least in the northern states) abandoned many communistic vestiges and begun to adopt capitalism and prosper. Its citizens flee northward because Mexico remains deeply corrupt and riddled by criminal gangs including narcoterrorists. But many Mexicans, especially in the southern states, remain enslaved to unflinching communistic economic policies. In a few southern states, even persecution of Christians occasionally flares. (Mexico persecuted Catholics extensively in the decades following the Communist revolution but scaled back the assault on the Church to quell the popular Christero rebellion.) The Mexican government nevertheless still exercises communistic control over large sectors of the economy, greatly hindering the prosperity of the Mexican people.

Communism will not cure Mexican ills; it only exacerbates the problems and returns the country to its worst years of discontentment and rebellion.
21 posted on 04/10/2006 7:35:32 PM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [44 D] comprises fewer than the minority [55 R])
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To: 68 grunt
What you type could be correct, but I believe in the spirit of America, and I believe in the spirit of Americans. When the going becomes tough enough, and we as a nation may be headed there, I am an optimist and still believe this nation's people will refuse to disarm. If this nation does disarm, then all bets are off, and I shall have no choice but to say to you, "68 grunt you are / were completely correct."
22 posted on 04/10/2006 7:36:43 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (means politicians give taxpayer $$$ and amnesty? We Won?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How does one foment a revolution in Mexico along the lines of the American revolution against the British Crown?

How do Mexicans become property owners without getting their hands dipped in the blood of their Patrones?

23 posted on 04/10/2006 7:39:06 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Spanish language TV and radio stations are using our airwaves to incite an overthrow of the U.S.and I think it is part and parcel of a Communist Rev. part II in Mexico.!
24 posted on 04/10/2006 7:39:18 PM PDT by BellStar (Spanish language TV and radio stations are using our airwaves to incite the overthrow of our U.S.)
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To: no-to-illegals

I hope like heck the optimist is right and I'm wronger than wrong has ever been. Thanks.


25 posted on 04/10/2006 7:39:23 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: proud_yank

PING


26 posted on 04/10/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

This may not have anything to do with Russia directly, but the post here is important to national security and Mexico represents a large market for Russian weaponry.


27 posted on 04/10/2006 7:46:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I've been thinking for a little while that Venezuela is in cahoots with Mexico in trying to destabilize our economy, our sovereignty, and our unity as an American people, modeling on the Zimmerman Telegram of 1917.


28 posted on 04/10/2006 7:47:27 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: stopem

"Chavez is probably absolutely delighted he has all these illegals who are faithful to mexico living in this country are even demonstrating against us. They have taken over our streets again and again and again!

Chavez has a ready made army located right here with more flooding in like a cat5 every day and he doesn't have to do to much to get the socialists here and demonstrating to fight us for total control."


And the Russians have plenty of weapons to arm them with.



29 posted on 04/10/2006 7:48:26 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

I also forgot to say that it represents a place for Russia to base IRBM's and for importing suitcase nukes and Spetsnaz into our country. Same for the Chinese.


30 posted on 04/10/2006 7:49:38 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This doesn't sound all that bad to me. We'd finally get an oportunity to close the damn border and if the Mexican economy can't be productive with a "capitalist" economy it doesn't have a prayer with the commies in charge.


31 posted on 04/10/2006 7:51:47 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: BellStar

The communist movement in venezuela has two sources, and thus the Mexican one has them as well. The sources are the obvious one... China, and the not so known but still threatening one...Russia.


32 posted on 04/10/2006 7:52:12 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
The communist movement in venezuela has two sources, and thus the Mexican one has them as well. The sources are the obvious one... China, and the not so known but still threatening one...Russia.

You are spot-on, and it bears repeating. Como se dice' "Zimmerman Telegram"?

33 posted on 04/10/2006 7:53:27 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
a hostile, communist nation on our southern border.

At least the border would finally be closed (Communists do that you know).

34 posted on 04/10/2006 7:59:30 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: Mike Darancette

If it happens the border will probly be the Mississippi River.


35 posted on 04/10/2006 8:02:02 PM PDT by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Mexico goes down the Venezuela route America is going to have to intervene militarily. A lot of nations are questioning America's will, and testing us. Especially with the democrats being solidly pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, and pro-Islam.

Its better to deal with these marxists early on, before they get entrenched in power.


36 posted on 04/10/2006 8:10:17 PM PDT by ran15
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To: hispanarepublicana

I like that one!!! it BEAR's repeating.

(The Grizzly Bear is a symbol of Russia, and the Panda is one of the symbols for China)


37 posted on 04/10/2006 8:10:57 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: 76834

The Russians will then want Alaska back, and the Midwest for that matter. The Chinese would want the west coast, and the Cubans and Venezuelans would want the Southeast


38 posted on 04/10/2006 8:11:54 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Doh! Please please please don't tell my FReePUNster buddies that I punned without even knowing it! I'll be shamed off the FReePUN ping list!


39 posted on 04/10/2006 8:12:51 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: Thunder90

We think similiar.

The USA border would be pushed back to the Mississippi, maybe the Ohio river.



40 posted on 04/10/2006 8:13:51 PM PDT by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: stboz

"How does one foment a revolution in Mexico along the lines of the American revolution against the British Crown?"

I don't think they're capable of it. They've had hundreds of years with the boots of the elites on their necks.


41 posted on 04/10/2006 8:16:26 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Englishforever
"I doubt Bush would even care.......... In fact.....I'll go as far as to claim that Bush will give the new Communist leader a big fat check right from the taxpayers wallet. (Of course .........they would have to sit through a photo opt session.) Hey - Maybe Bush could just give 'em a credit card with no spending limit? Then I'm sure they would be our friend!"

I see this resentment everywhere, from me also. But, when my twin brother from Michigan (nckerr on here)can't stand Bush, then you know something is wrong with the guy. My brother is........(now) was the biggest Bush guy I knew. Now what?

42 posted on 04/10/2006 8:17:01 PM PDT by rodeocowboy
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To: hispanarepublicana

"I've been thinking for a little while that Venezuela is in cahoots with Mexico in trying to destabilize our economy, our sovereignty, and our unity as an American people, modeling on the Zimmerman Telegram of 1917."

They've got lots of help from Washington too.


43 posted on 04/10/2006 8:17:24 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mexico is and has been a communist country in all but name.

As a good example, in the early 70s we were at the Cape marlin fishing and returning home we were stuck in LaPaz for 2 days because the PRI was having their convention there and had comandered all commercial aircraft for their use.

Their delegates were prading all over town waving Mao's little Red Book.

Add to it nobody and nothing moves in Mexico that isn't reported to Mexico City and through government ownership of 51% or more of all basic industry and what can be imported and who can import it their population and economy is totally controled.


44 posted on 04/10/2006 8:18:18 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dljordan

You're right, but if I think about that too much, I can't sleep at night. I'm sure in 1917, there was help from Washington too. That was a really fascinating period that shaped North America for the next 80 years. We are, once again, at such a juncture.


45 posted on 04/10/2006 8:19:09 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: Thunder90
"The Russians will then want Alaska back, and the Midwest for that matter. The Chinese would want the west coast, and the Cubans and Venezuelans would want the Southeast.

Don't forget Louisianna and the wussy French (but lately Bush is soft enough to give it back to them).

46 posted on 04/10/2006 8:20:01 PM PDT by rodeocowboy
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To: 76834

Then when we try to fight back, a newly reformed USSR and China decide to attack the US for interfering with the invasion.


47 posted on 04/10/2006 8:24:10 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: rodeocowboy

Did you know that we give Russia and other hostile former soviet states massive amounts of foreign aid, and that we also give China some?


48 posted on 04/10/2006 8:25:32 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

Nope:
The central government in Washington DC will fight us first.

Look at whats happening right now, the Washington government is already siding with our enemies.


49 posted on 04/10/2006 8:28:23 PM PDT by 76834 (There's nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bump


50 posted on 04/10/2006 8:29:59 PM PDT by Velveeta
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