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Gingrich at USD: Pull out of Iraq
Argus Leader | 4/11/06

Posted on 04/11/2006 7:20:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone

Since we can't post the from the website here is the link. Gingrich at USD: Pull out of Iraq


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: argusleader; deceit; gingrich; grandstanding; iraq
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1 posted on 04/11/2006 7:20:15 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

Hey Newt! And just why did you leave Congress? Sit down and STFU!


2 posted on 04/11/2006 7:21:14 AM PDT by mbx1231
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To: areafiftyone

Newt has got to be smoking something if he really thinks he can make it to the oval office.

This country has become a circus of big nosed clowns wanting to be ring master of the masses of sheeple.


4 posted on 04/11/2006 7:23:09 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Wealth Redistribution)
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To: areafiftyone
At one time I really liked and respected Newt.
My respect died when he shook BJC's hand.
5 posted on 04/11/2006 7:23:35 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO")
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To: areafiftyone

He is a morally bankrupt man that has no buisness with republicans. He divorced his last wife while she was on bed recovering from cancer, men like him have no buisness in politics, he should just go live with Hillary since they get along so well.


6 posted on 04/11/2006 7:24:10 AM PDT by Patriotic conservative
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To: areafiftyone

And right here on FR, there were a bunch of folks the other day arguing that Newt would be a good President.

What were they thinking?


7 posted on 04/11/2006 7:24:36 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: areafiftyone

A man with an inflated ego and a gut to match.


8 posted on 04/11/2006 7:26:04 AM PDT by zook
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To: MineralMan

Probably based on something Newt said about Iraq and staying in there.

Newt needs to change his name to Chameleon.


9 posted on 04/11/2006 7:27:29 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: areafiftyone

Pardon me if I am wrong, but hasn't it been our goal all along to withdraw from Iraq?


10 posted on 04/11/2006 7:27:58 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: areafiftyone; All

If you read the article then you wilk notice Newt Gingrich didn't say to pull completely out, but to scale back


11 posted on 04/11/2006 7:28:05 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: areafiftyone
For years I've supported a very simple campaign finance law. Basically, it would say that the only people that can donate money or anything else of value to a candidate running for federal office are people that ar legally registered to vote for them. Newt has supported something like this recently.
13 posted on 04/11/2006 7:31:21 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (What is is about "illegal" you don't understand?)
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To: zook

His leftward lurching has been met with fawning sycophancy in the press, of course.


14 posted on 04/11/2006 7:33:55 AM PDT by pierrem15
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To: mbx1231
Is McCain giving him tips on how to maximize the hatred of the Republican base?
15 posted on 04/11/2006 7:35:42 AM PDT by CaptainK
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To: Kaslin; All

They didn't bother to read the article.


16 posted on 04/11/2006 7:37:09 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: areafiftyone

The few times I have listened to Newt, he has lost it. He is leaning left.


17 posted on 04/11/2006 7:39:06 AM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: MineralMan

Not I, sir, not I. His performance with his wife alone convinced me that however smart Newt is, he lacks the moral fiber to be president.


18 posted on 04/11/2006 7:39:26 AM PDT by LS
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To: areafiftyone
Read the article. Apparently he said we should leave "small" forces there, as (he says) we did in Germany and Korea.

Germany and Korea were America's two forward most bases in Europe and Asia, and we had enormous firepower and major army commands in both places, with even larger back up forces ready to reinforce on short notice.

If Germany or Korea were locked in insurgencies, we never would have tolerated it or withdrawn. It would be nice if Iraq were as stable as West Germany at this point, but it isn't.

Newt's suggestion would be like pulling out of Korea and Germany. Both would have fallen to the communists, had we created that military vacuum.

19 posted on 04/11/2006 7:40:19 AM PDT by Williams
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To: areafiftyone

Knowing the Argus Leader ...Everyday I read its the front page, editorials and comics and most days can't tell the difference .... I have a suspicion Newt's comments may have been taken out of context. I can't imagine Newt joining the pullout crowd, knowing what will happen if we simpy abandon the Iraqi's like we did the South Vietnamese.


20 posted on 04/11/2006 7:40:49 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Lekker 1
Pardon me if I am wrong, but hasn't it been our goal all along to withdraw from Iraq?

You're right, of course, but I don't think Newts schedule and your (our) idea of a good time to get out are even close.

I'm thinking more along the line of the Germany/Japan withdrawal schedule.

21 posted on 04/11/2006 7:43:28 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (REAL men vote Republican)
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To: Patriotic conservative
He divorced his last wife while she was on bed recovering from cancer

Actually, that was his first wife, who he left for his second wife, whom he subsequently left for an aide.

As I've said for a long time, Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton are more alike than different.... They're the poster children for the self-indulgent narcissists who call themselves Boomers.

22 posted on 04/11/2006 7:45:44 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Williams
You're spot on.

His assertions about "what we did" in Korea and Germany are historically flat-out wrong -- which is very a strange thing for a person of his academic credentials.

Nor does he bother to assess the strategic aspects of maintaining large forces in Iraq -- not only to create stability there, but also to put pressure on both Iran and yria, who happen to be the big fomenters of unrest in the region.

None of that can have escaped honest analysis. I think Newt's taken the first steps down the Buchanan trail.

23 posted on 04/11/2006 7:51:32 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Balding_Eagle

I agree with you, but we didn't demolish and level Iraq and have to build it from the ground up like we did Germany and Japan (although that might have worked out too)


24 posted on 04/11/2006 7:51:49 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: areafiftyone

He's nothing but a miserable rotten traitor, except he's quite dumber than your average RINO, since he's trying to get elected again (in 08) and he's already expose himself. As least most RINOS lie about their conservative credentials to get in office.


25 posted on 04/11/2006 7:52:32 AM PDT by Grebrook
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To: Logical me
The few times I have listened to Newt, he has lost it. He is leaning left

The vacuum left by David Hackworth's death has not yet been filled, and Pat Buchanan's recent past makes him too ugly to fill it. Newt's headed that direction.

26 posted on 04/11/2006 7:53:27 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: mbx1231
Why did he leave congress?

These clowns start believing their own press releases....

27 posted on 04/11/2006 7:54:03 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Bingo....

Does Tom T. have a campaign committee yet?

28 posted on 04/11/2006 7:55:27 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: areafiftyone

The democrats were right about Newt. He is scum!!!!!!!


29 posted on 04/11/2006 7:56:55 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Lekker 1
but we didn't demolish and level Iraq and have to build it from the ground up like we did Germany and Japan

The strategic considerations weren't "rebuilding for the sake of rebuilding," but rather two different things, both of which served our own long-term self interest:

1. Short-circuit a historical cycle of militarism in both countries by creating a civil society.

2. Maintain a forward military position to counter the Soviet threat, and prevent Soviet expansion into the newly defeated countries.

Those are the same basic strategic issues in Iraq.

30 posted on 04/11/2006 7:57:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Lekker 1

We didn't level Iraq like Germany, true.

But Iraq is surrounded by enemies who want to kill us, and them. Those enemies recognize the extreme danger a free Iraq poses to them.

That's something Germany and Japan didn't have to contend with.

I'm not an historian, but my guess is that nearly everyone in the whole world (except the New York Times and the Soviet Union, of course) welcomed and supported their efforts to jion the rest of us.


31 posted on 04/11/2006 7:59:20 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (REAL men vote Republican)
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To: areafiftyone
Maybe Newt should stick to his area of expertise--Belgian educational policy in the Belgian Congo.

The latest issue of Foreign Affairs has an article arguing that the disastrous history of Iraq during the last 75 years can be traced back to the Brits' too-hasty exit from the country in the 1920s once public support for the occupation declined in Britain.

32 posted on 04/11/2006 7:59:50 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Patriotic conservative

and left the second sick wife for a third, he is morally bankrupt, talk about loyalty and obeying vows he does not know what that means; and the MSM would rehash all of his repulsive actions


33 posted on 04/11/2006 8:00:03 AM PDT by dubyawhoiluv
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To: areafiftyone
I'm not a Newt fan, but just like Hillary pretending to be a hawk to get the "undecided" votes - is it not conceivable that somone on the other side might do the same thing?

Pretend to be for a pull-out to get the MSM to tout your virtues, get elected and then go back to being yourself - if it works for Shillary, why might it not work for Newt?

34 posted on 04/11/2006 8:02:02 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: areafiftyone

Isn't this the same clown who shut down the federal gov't over not having a seat on a first-class plane flight?


35 posted on 04/11/2006 8:03:47 AM PDT by Blzbba (Beauty is just a light switch away...)
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To: areafiftyone
It was an enormous mistake for us to try to occupy that country after June of 2003," Gingrich said during a question-and-answer session at the school.

Shut up Newt!

36 posted on 04/11/2006 8:05:00 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Lekker 1
You are correct, that is our stated goal.

I wouldn't jump on Newt so quickly as some are doing.

It looks like to me that many of the Iraqi leaders are eat up with the same kind of Muslim mentality that will not allow them to appreciate the opportunities given by Saddam's demise.

I would suggest that Iraq be divided into three parts.

The British threw Iraq together with these three divisive cultures and then pulled out.

I believe that is the only way there will ever be peace in this area.

Then we should give Iran an ultimatum to keep hands off and if not bomb the hell out of the current border.
37 posted on 04/11/2006 8:05:29 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: areafiftyone

Here ya go, Newt...

38 posted on 04/11/2006 8:06:24 AM PDT by Fintan (Did you really think I could post such insightful replies if I actually read the article???)
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To: r9etb

Newt has one of the best minds in the GOP, his history is incorrect here, wonder why? He certainly knows better.


39 posted on 04/11/2006 8:06:27 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Kaslin
"If you read the article then you wilk notice Newt Gingrich didn't say to pull completely out, but to scale back"

Uh........is this not what we are currently doing?

40 posted on 04/11/2006 8:06:53 AM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: areafiftyone

You mean walk away from Iraq, like you walked away from your sick wife, eh Newt?


41 posted on 04/11/2006 8:07:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: areafiftyone

No, Newt. Would you settle for our giving the insurgents a reacharound instead?


42 posted on 04/11/2006 8:08:05 AM PDT by RichInOC (...R. Lee Ermey, a role model for us all.)
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To: areafiftyone
Added keyword grandstanding.
43 posted on 04/11/2006 8:08:28 AM PDT by dighton
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To: areafiftyone
OK, I have a new rule:

Anybody who wants to demand that the U.S. pull out of Iraq has to spend at least six months here first and see what's really going on here.

NOT what the news is reporting. What's really happening.

If they still think the U.S. should pull out, then they're allowed to run their mouths about it.

We still don't have to listen, but those should be the rules.

;-)

44 posted on 04/11/2006 8:10:22 AM PDT by Allegra (No mosques were entered or damaged during this post.)
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To: areafiftyone

I'm just wondering if any body bothered to read the article! It's about 3 sentences out of a 2& half hour speech. Perhaps you should re title this post: "Let's stand in our glass houses & beat the Sh** out of Newt!"


45 posted on 04/11/2006 8:13:50 AM PDT by JackHawk ("Some Times; War is the answer!")
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To: MineralMan
And right here on FR, there were a bunch of folks the other day arguing that Newt would be a good President. What were they thinking? ------------------------------------------------------------- The same people who get their panties in a knot when anyone anywhere disagrees with right wing political correctness.

During the Meires debacle there were plenty of posters who promised they would never listen to Rush, Malkin, Coulter,Krauthammer.....cuz they were traitors to the cause..
46 posted on 04/11/2006 8:14:40 AM PDT by Blackirish (Hillary is angry AND brittle.)
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To: areafiftyone

I'll forever be mad at Newt, he put himself and his desires before his duty to his country and that says it all!


47 posted on 04/11/2006 8:14:56 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Lekker 1
Newt Gingrich, the former Republican Speaker of the House, told students and faculty at the University of South Dakota Monday that the United States should pull out of Iraq and leave a small force there, just as it did post-war in Korea and Germany.

"It was an enormous mistake for us to try to occupy that country after June of 2003," Gingrich said during a question-and-answer session at the school. "We have to pull back, and we have to recognize it."

It has been our policy to pull out of Iraq after setting up a government.

I think Newt's saying that we should have displaced one government, and then got out of there while they set up a new government on their own.....after a civil war, of course.

There's some wisdom in that. We could just threaten the next government that they'd get the same thing if they bothered us.

That's the hands off approach. President Bush chose the hands on approach. There's something to be said for it, too.

The question is always going to be how much is too much and how much is too little. One thing is clear, though. We elected Pres. Bush and gave him the authority to make the decision.

48 posted on 04/11/2006 8:15:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: areafiftyone

Newt lost my trust long ago.


49 posted on 04/11/2006 8:15:42 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Patriotic conservative
Actually that was his first wife. However As I understand it, it was not quite that tawdry. They were already separated and in the process of divorcing she unfortunately got the final set of legal documents in the hospital. (More a case of bad timing then anything else.) Now the case of his last divorce (Second Wife Marianne...I think was her name!) what I do now of that is tawdry. Apparently there was this intern....well you get the picture. Many say that was Newts real motivation for folding his congressional tent and leaving. (I can't remember if he married this intern....oh yes she was female !)
Newt a fascinating intellect, has many useful things to say, BUT like Clinton (more like Clinton then we would like!) basically immature and since he is now in his late middle age not ever likely to mature. Not of presidential caliber and not ever to be. Also waaaay too politically damaged to be electability. (Could he win Georgia in a state-wide race ?..... I doubt it !)
50 posted on 04/11/2006 8:17:43 AM PDT by Reily
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