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To: little jeremiah
Great analysis.

Thanks. Feel free to borrow it -feel free to recommend changes and additions.

here is my latest version -I added to and edited a couple paragraphs in the middle.

Sexual Orientation -- What about Religious Orientation?

Like religion, homosexuality is subjectively determined and declared -NOT objectively determined and confirmed via some objective scientific test. If one feels they are a homosexual and declares they are -who can disagree with them? Who can objectively identify a homosexual person? If those that declare homosexuality become a protected class or exceptional class of individuals warranting extra 'rights' above and beyond those already afforded all human beings THEN what is to prevent everyone from claiming the socially rewarded, prized, and critically acclaimed homosexual status?

Can one imagine a court case on the issue -how can one prove or disprove homosexuality -the basis for all this stuff the leftists are pushing? This reality begs the legal question of sexual "orientation" presumption that at one time was based upon reality e.g. genetalia and now would go unanswered by the new world leftist spectrum of subjective gender premise. The question: in essence will society choose homosexual until proved heterosexual OR heterosexual until proved homosexual? Curious minds want to know?

Now, if homosexual activity was suggested as a test to prove homosexuality then who could prove they would choose to engage in homosexual activity -how do they prove it; must they actually engage in and document homosexual activities to prove homosexual status? Very odd the attempt to equate homosexual status as an innate state of being independent from the only thing that differentiates it from the norm of heterosexuality when considering that heterosexuals are heterosexuals even if remaining celibate virgins.

It is still an established scientific fact and once was a universally accepted fact that all human beings are heterosexual (a scientific term describing those sexually procreative by means of two sexes e.g. male & female versus asexual which is self procreative).

The whole 'homosexual' (non-scientific term) innate identity thing is leftist propaganda. 'Homosexuals' are simply disordered heterosexuals -heterosexuals that feel predisposed to or actually choose to engage in homosexual activities. 'Sex' as it applies to the heterosexual term is scientifically premised in procreation while 'gender' as it applies to the disordered heterosexual (homosexual) term is leftist derived propaganda premised in at best selfish pursuit of recreational sex that by default can not procreate.

There are some that argue homosexuality and or orientation are scientifically proved realities. I say HA! There is no physical orientation test. Science supposedly deals with the physical -'orientation' is metaphysical... That which the scientists supposedly claim is so and supposedly objectively research a cause or reason for is at best a subjective and dynamic condition -cause unknown. Homosexuality is objectively a manifested procreative abnormality cause unknown that would best be termed homosexual orientation syndrome. All this regardless the psychologists and psychiatrists who without scientific basis turn science on its head and claim normality for that which by scientific definition is not the norm.

What of homosexual rights? Should rights be based upon sexual feelings (orientation) or even more on sexual activities that must be proved? It is a fact that feelings are subjective. Consequently, how can any rights be derived from something subjective? In fact, 'buying into' the subjective argument by default implies that rights are given to individuals arbitrarily by the State and as such can be taken away arbitrarily by the State. The whole 'feelings' argument kicks our Founder's recognition of unalienable rights which is basis for our Independence, Union, and Constitution to the curb...

YES -the whole 'feelings' argument guarantees that rights are and will be always subject to the whim of those 'in charge'... How bizarre is it to seek a goal with an argument that if accepted actually nullifies the goal? This is the way of the left...

The homosexual portion of the culture war debate is not about rights -it is all about homosexual sex. The question before society is a simple one; do those that engage in homosexual sex merit privilege and or special rights? It is homosexual sex; not people, that society judges and decides upon -discriminates against or rewards. Society can not rightly judge the heart of an individual; however society can judge an activity. Yes, there are no majestic platitudes comprising human rights questions to be pondered here. When considering this issue the questions to be answered are really quite simple as they involve one activity alone and fall far below the platitudes touted by the left. The answers are objectively obvious when one considers the objective fact that premises the contribution of sexual activity to fostering society. Even the militant delusional can not deny that homosexual sex is a procreative dead end.

Homosexuality is subjectively determined and or declared -NOT objectively determined or declared. I myself can not objectively identify a homosexual person -hence stereotypes are meaningless as are any anecdotal 'things' e.g. 'knowing' one or many homosexuals (those you may 'feel' are homosexual or those who may 'feel' they are homosexuals or those who may declare they are homosexual).

Assuming people are not animals driven by instinct -that people possess an authentic freedom to choose what they do or do not do (unless they suffer some disorder) THEN one can come to but only one objective and rational conclusion. As to homosexuality -truly, it is ONLY sexual activity one chooses to engage in that objectively differentiates homosexual from heterosexual -regardless any subjective 'feelings'...

If one truly understands the subjectivity versus objectivity arguments then one should see clearly the fatally flawed premise underlying subjectivity arguments for homosexual 'rights' and anyone should easily realize that subjectivity flies directly in the face of establishing any objective 'homosexuality' rights or pursuing any objective 'homosexuality' discrimination claims or even objective claims that there is a hatred of homosexuality using the much espoused homophobia meme that some in this discussion indignantly cite.

Legislation and or social mandate regarding just versus unjust discrimination with subsequent social fostering reward versus social penalizing can only be legitimately based upon objective innate characteristics e.g. race and or constitutionally guaranteed activities e.g. religion.

Religion is a constitutionally guaranteed activity -homosexual sex is not. If homosexual sex was guaranteed by the Constitution then I would suggest that at a maximum it would not be mandated, at a minimum like religion there would be the misinterpreted yet very applicable separation clause e.g. a separation of Sex & State... One would not see mandated public school 'indoctrination' of "homosexuality is normal or a valid option" stuff being mandated upon children by judges or homosexual agenda activist groups...

Judges that attempt to create or groups that advocate for special rights above and beyond already realized human rights advocate for these special rights premised upon either a totally subjective self-declared 'orientation' or ones choice of sexual activities. The advocates and judges are simply plying a smoke and mirrors approach in attempt to hoist homosexual activity into acceptance under the guise of providing human rights to individuals already possessing such human rights.

Case in point: US Federal, State, and Local Government entities at this time both set aside contracts and give preference on contracts to minority business owners. I can state unequivocally that 'homosexual' business owners will never be afforded such favor. Answering why I can make such an assured observation quickly gets to the root of the matter and completely knocks down the card house that homosexual agenda proponents attempt to erect...


27 posted on 04/12/2006 11:49:37 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

DBeers: "it is all about homosexual sex".

In the 'dialectically-untwisted' lexicon of our Founders day, the word 'sex' was used to designate whether one was male or female (the reality of genitalia plus other biological determinants, as you pointed out in your excellent analysis).


So the acts in which males & females who have 'fallen off of the straight and narrow" engage in are nothing to do with sex in its proper understanding. They are carnal acts whose genesis was from dark impulses which then grew into an even darker fantasy which then leads to acting out the erotic fantasy if the occasion arises.


28 posted on 04/12/2006 12:29:50 PM PDT by Lindykim (Courage is the first of all the virtues...if you haven*t courage, you may not have the opportunity)
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