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September 1998 Document: Secret Research Programs Related to WMD (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website ^ | April 11 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 04/11/2006 8:47:53 PM PDT by jveritas

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To: MNJohnnie
"scoop"

You have to realize that for lib journalists and other media hacks, this is a dream destroyed. It means that the edifice of lies they propagated and disseminated about Bush lying us into war has been totally demolished. They're probably still hoping these docs are forgeries or that the translations are faulty. The fact is different translators, working independently, have read these docs and have come to the same conclusion.

I'm sure many libs are still too stunned to realize that Bush was right and they were wrong. The others who have realized it are having difficulties admitting it to themselves and coming to grips with it. Libs totally wrong again...what a shock (he,he).

101 posted on 04/12/2006 2:18:25 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Calpernia

Thanks for the ping.


102 posted on 04/12/2006 4:22:58 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Tolerance of evil is not virtue.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Thank you for the ping; amazing stuff and we need to e-mail to the Senate Intelligence Committee.


103 posted on 04/12/2006 4:24:22 AM PDT by Peach
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To: tobyhill; MNJohnnie; All
This document will destroy the Washington Post latest story. Here there is no denial whatsoever that Saddam kept the Secret Research Programs for WMD. I think we need to get this story out urgently.
104 posted on 04/12/2006 5:20:02 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething; All
For some reason the link to the document in my original post is connecting. Here is the link to document:

CMPC-2003-002284

105 posted on 04/12/2006 5:28:45 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething

Here you go:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897036/posts
Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert

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An American military team hunting for unconventional weapons in Iraq, the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha, or MET Alpha, which found the scientist, declined to identify him, saying they feared he might be subject to reprisals. But they said that they considered him credible and that the material unearthed over the last three days at sites to which he led them had proved to be precursors for a toxic agent that is banned by chemical weapons treaties.

The officials' account of the scientist's assertions and the discovery of the buried material, which they described as the most important discovery to date in the hunt for illegal weapons, supports the Bush administration's charges that Iraq continued to develop those weapons and lied to the United Nations about it. Finding and destroying illegal weapons was a major justification for the war.

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The team, with vehicles and supplies from the 101st Airborne Division, went out on its own to survey other sites and pursue the tip about the buried containers and the scientist. After completing a lengthy survey of one installation, Mr. Gonzales and other team members from the Defense Intelligence Agency's Chemical Biological Intelligence Support Team decided to try to find the scientist.

Mr. Gonzales tracked down the scientist's note, which had never been formally analyzed and was still in a brigade headquarters, along with the scientist's address, military officials said.

The next morning, MET Alpha weapons experts found the scientist at home, along with some documents from the program and samples he had buried in his backyard and at other sites.

The scientist has told MET Alpha members that because Iraq's unconventional weapons programs were highly compartmented, he only had firsthand information about the chemical weapons sector in which he worked, team members said.

But he has given the Americans information about other unconventional weapons activities, they said, as well as information about Iraqi weapons cooperation with Syria, and with terrorist groups, including Al Qaeda. It was not clear how the scientist knew of such a connection.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/898486/posts
Iraqi researchers were ordered to destroy experiments ahead of U.N. searches

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Six Iraqi scientists working at different Baghdad research institutions were ordered to destroy some bacteria and equipment and hide more in their homes before visits from U.N. weapons inspectors in the months leading up to the war, the scientists told The Associated Press.

In separate interviews, all of the scientists said they were involved in civilian research projects and none knew of any programs for weapons of mass destruction. It was not clear why their materials, ostensibly for nonmilitary research, were ordered destroyed.

But their accounts indicate the government of Saddam Hussein may have had advance knowledge of at least some of the inspectors' visits, as the United States suspected, and that the former Iraqi regime was deeply concerned about any material that could raise the suspicion of U.N. experts.

"An hour or two before the inspectors came to the university, I got my orders from the chairman," said a biochemistry professor at Saddam University for Science and Engineering.

"The order was to hide anything that might make the inspectors suspicious. Any bacterium, any fungus. I destroyed seven petri dishes in the autoclave and I put the others in the trunk of my car."

He said the petri dishes held Staphylococcus and E. coli bacteria and a fungus that can cause severe skin problems -- all commonly used for experiments.

The scientist and several others would only speak on condition of anonymity.

While U.S. troops are firmly in control of the Iraqi capital, university officials, some of them linked by blood to Saddam, remain in their academic positions and scientists fear they could be fired if they are discovered providing information that slights their bosses.

Saddam University's assistant dean, Ameer Abbas Ameer, said inspectors visited his university three times, checking the chemistry, biology and physics departments. He denied ordering professors and researchers to destroy or hide materials.

"The inspectors never found anything because there wasn't anything to find," he said. "They were even joking about it when they were here. They were never serious. You don't search for weapons of mass destruction under the carpet."

But the professor and other scientists said orders came from Ameer's office, through the department chairman, to hide and destroy materials when the inspectors were on their way.

"The chairman told us not to answer questions from any inspectors, to go to the cafeteria and stay there until they left," the professor said. "They were afraid. What they were afraid of, I don't know."

President Bush claimed during his State of the Union address that Iraqi spies had penetrated the U.N. inspections. While some inspectors privately suspect as much, none of the inspection teams found any firm evidence to support the president's claim.

"Clearly we were well aware that the Iraqis were trying to figure out our inspection plans and we took many practicable precautions against that," said Ewen Buchanan, spokesman for the U.N. inspectors. He said information was handled on a "need to know" basis and precautions included "silent briefings" between inspectors to elude any listening devices the Iraqis may have placed at U.N. offices in Baghdad.

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106 posted on 04/12/2006 5:30:04 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: grey_whiskers
Oh Nooooo, LOL... I am not nearly as powerful as you think :) I am just your humble freeper.
107 posted on 04/12/2006 5:37:00 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
"That report said the trailers were "impractical for biological agent production," lacking 11 components that would be crucial for making bioweapons. Instead, the trailers were "almost certainly designed and built for the generation of hydrogen," the survey group reported.
The group's report and members of the technical team also dismissed the notion that the trailers could be easily modified to produce weapons."

A little critical reading shows the inconsistencies with the title compared to fact. No where does it state that the trailers was impossible to be used to make Bio weapons just that it lacked 11 components and the word "easily" is very subjective.
108 posted on 04/12/2006 7:03:16 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: jveritas

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=4862


109 posted on 04/12/2006 7:03:46 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: jveritas

bttt


110 posted on 04/12/2006 7:05:17 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
See the NY Times finally had to acknowlege Jveritas work?

Of course, the question of every Freeper is, "Why is the NYT not doing this research themselves?" Why are the media, who are always demanding release of government documents, so uninterested in this stuff? Is it because they fear the documents will confirm Bush's (and Clinton's, by the way) statements about Iraq WMD programs?
111 posted on 04/12/2006 7:10:16 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: tobyhill

I hope that the liberal media opens the WMD issue again, now we have the documents, this one in particular, that destroy their lies and prove that President Bush was right all along to remove Saddam Regime form power.


112 posted on 04/12/2006 7:15:44 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
This particular document is a very important one. It proves that President Bush (and yes Clinton before him) that Saddam always possessed program of WMD, he never stopped it, and he was waiting for the opportune moment to go into mass production of WMD.

This document is the truth that will shine on to liberals and their media and expose the lies that they have been spewing in the last three years.

113 posted on 04/12/2006 7:31:53 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Calpernia

Did you happen to look at the byline for that previous post from April 2003?

Yeah, that's her.


114 posted on 04/12/2006 7:37:39 AM PDT by GEC
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To: GEC

What is who?


115 posted on 04/12/2006 7:41:40 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas; SJackson; Thunder 6; P-Marlowe; OrthodoxPresbyterian; blue-duncan; Blueflag; LTCJ; ...

This is amazing exoneration of those of us who have steadfastly held that Saddam had the capacity to make just-in-time chemical weapons, and that he had the capacity to make small-quantity-WMDs to put in the hands of terrorists for use against the U.S.

This totally backs President Bush's decision to take out Iraq.

This might just be your most important find yet.


116 posted on 04/12/2006 7:44:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: Captain Ed

This is a very important one Captain.


117 posted on 04/12/2006 7:45:22 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: xzins

I think on the WMD issue this is the most important document revealed so far.


118 posted on 04/12/2006 7:52:44 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Calpernia

The byline of the article that you linked to from the NYT in 2003.

The author was embedded with the 101st Airborne.

Her name is Judith Miller.

Ring any bells?


119 posted on 04/12/2006 8:06:21 AM PDT by GEC
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To: GEC

Not really.


120 posted on 04/12/2006 8:10:03 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: GEC

Ah. I googled. Plame Affair.


121 posted on 04/12/2006 8:11:32 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Good points Steve.


122 posted on 04/12/2006 8:22:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (In the end it does not matter if you win. All men die. What matters is how you lived. No surrender)
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To: jveritas

Saddam's WMD bump.


123 posted on 04/12/2006 8:28:24 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Calpernia

This is just too much fun, isn't it?


124 posted on 04/12/2006 8:30:54 AM PDT by GEC
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To: jveritas
This morning I spoke directly with the Publisher of the Dallas Morning News, James Moroney, and advised him of the documents being translated and where they can be found. He seemed genuinely interested so we'll see.
125 posted on 04/12/2006 8:36:49 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill

Excellent, thank you very much for doing this.


126 posted on 04/12/2006 8:37:52 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Calpernia; SittinYonder

Thanks Calpernia. You are a font of information!

SY- Here's the articles I was talking about:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613509/posts?page=106#106


127 posted on 04/12/2006 8:41:53 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: GEC

The Plame affair was one of the threads I stayed off of because I knew it was flamed propaganda.

So, I know you are trying to speak to me here....but I'm not getting it.

Those 2003 articles covering Iraq were good stories. jveritas translations now are backing up the sources.


128 posted on 04/12/2006 8:43:19 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: eyespysomething

Freeper GEC pointed out that some of the 2003 articles that covered Iraq was covered by one of the characters from the Plame affair.


129 posted on 04/12/2006 8:45:10 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas

Thanks, once again, for your hard work.


130 posted on 04/12/2006 8:46:11 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: jveritas

I agree, very important. This is great stuff. The evidence is starting to be overwhelming.


131 posted on 04/12/2006 8:48:38 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Now we need to get the truth and facts out, first to ours side of the media, in particular Talk Radio.


132 posted on 04/12/2006 8:51:52 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Calpernia; GEC

One of the libruls complaints about J.Miller was that she was a stooge for the Bush Admin and was placing trumped-up stories in the NYT.


133 posted on 04/12/2006 8:56:02 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: jveritas

Well, Savage is too busy harping on the illegal alien issue to even care. He long ago quit supporting the war.

But I will email Rush, Medved, Hugh Hewitt and Tony Snow and urge them to put this front and center.


134 posted on 04/12/2006 9:01:38 AM PDT by pissant
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To: GEC; eyespysomething

Really?

huh.

But the stories we have from the WARLIST (FR keyword) are now being backed up by JV's translations.

Maybe I should have followed those Plame threads.


135 posted on 04/12/2006 9:08:03 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: pissant
There's an old trick in the media circle that usually works in getting the word out, target small outlets, local newspapers and local news, and then the MSM can't take not being the head honcho and will follow. Look at the Cheney Accidental Shooting.
136 posted on 04/12/2006 9:08:09 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: jveritas; All
I owe America everything I have :)

Now THAT is what a REAL American sounds like!

137 posted on 04/12/2006 9:08:29 AM PDT by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: GEC; eyespysomething

Hey, Do you think one of the problems with J. Miller was that she was publishing these stories BEFORE they were declassified???


138 posted on 04/12/2006 9:09:09 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

LOL! SO the get-out-the-tinfoil-hat crowd was wrong (again). Just remember, the Swift Boat Vets were put up by K-k-k-karl Rove also!


139 posted on 04/12/2006 9:11:12 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Calpernia

That's an interesting theory. Maybe that's why she didn't want to give away her source?


140 posted on 04/12/2006 9:12:07 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: eyespysomething

These docs were being held by some legal type department and Bush had to push to get them declassified.

Now remember, I didn't follow the Plame threads at all; but J. Miller's articles wrote specifics about the scientist interviews. There was one article specifically about equipment being buried under a ROSE bush.

Maybe by writing that stuff then, leaked knowledge to the enemy?


141 posted on 04/12/2006 9:15:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas

I sent an e-mail about this post to Hannity, O'Reilly, Brit Hume, John Gibson, Drudge, Michelle Malkin, and
Rush Limbaugh


142 posted on 04/12/2006 9:27:37 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: jveritas

Keep up the great work.

Is it safe to assume that our own intelligence agencies are aware of the evidence for WMD activities contained in these documents? I work with the government on a number of issues and I've been amazed at the lack of insight into documents in their possession. Wondering if this is the same.


143 posted on 04/12/2006 9:44:12 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Bigg Red

Thank you very much Bigg Red for doing this.


144 posted on 04/12/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Rockitz
I do not think we can assume anything. Most of these documents have been quickly scanned but with no focus on the details. Look at the summary of this document as posted on the Pentagon/FMSO website, they did not hint at all to the content to page 63 and 64 which I believe are the most important part of the document.
145 posted on 04/12/2006 9:58:40 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: eyespysomething; jveritas

Thanks for the PING! Excellent find!


146 posted on 04/12/2006 9:58:56 AM PDT by Shelayne
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To: pissant
Thank you very much for doing all this. I do not think that Savage will be nearly interested in this.
147 posted on 04/12/2006 10:01:21 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thank you very much Bigg Red for doing this.


**
Hey, you're the one doing the heavy lifting. E-mailing doesn't take much effort.

Take care and keep up the good work.


148 posted on 04/12/2006 10:09:31 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: jveritas; All

I encourage all freepers to do the same!!

For Rush: Rush@eibnet.com

For Michael Medved: http://www.michaelmedved.com/askmike

For Hugh: hhewitt@hughhewitt.com

For Tony: tonysnow@foxnews.com


149 posted on 04/12/2006 10:18:21 AM PDT by pissant
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To: tobyhill

That's a good idea. But I assure you that the big MSM outlets are already aware of some of this and are sitting on it like mother goose.


150 posted on 04/12/2006 10:19:47 AM PDT by pissant
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