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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Thur April 13, 2006
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Posted on 04/13/2006 8:22:31 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

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Allow me to share a bit of fresh original Global Warning research from another thread.

Climate of Fear

There have been repeated claims that this past year's hurricane activity was another sign of human-induced climate change. Everything from the heat wave in Paris to heavy snows in Buffalo has been blamed on people burning gasoline to fuel their cars, and coal and natural gas to heat, cool and electrify their homes. Yet how can a barely discernible, one-degree increase in the recorded global mean temperature since the late 19th century possibly gain public acceptance as the source of recent weather catastrophes? And how can it translate into unlikely claims about future catastrophes?

Indeed, the success of climate alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few hundred million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion today.

With all due respect $1.7 billion seems extremely light. The early 1990s probably marked the last time American taxpayers saw a mere $1.7 billion thrown away on Climate Change AKA Global Warning. Today the EPA alone allocates $1.9 billion to Climate Change. [1] American taxpayer funded bureaucracies such as the Department of State seemingly deploy Climate Change [2] as a buzzword to justify ever bigger budgets. Some conservative ought to apply for a grant to actually compute the total taxpayer dollars wasted on Climate Change across all agencies.

But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear

But there is an even more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Plain vanilla bureaucrats who dissent from the alarmism will see their budget funds disappear.

[1] Environment Fact Sheet--FINAL.doc

[2] Appendix - Department of State and Other International Programs

151 posted on 04/13/2006 10:18:38 AM PDT by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: eeevil conservative

Yes and I would love to see how many of these "illegals" would volunteer to defend this country if it meant that their wives and kids could also become citizens?


152 posted on 04/13/2006 10:20:23 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: defconw

What do you mean how?

BUILD A WALL-- put in check points and roads to the check points.... where people can come and apply to come here.

make the process easier on the pocket book for people to come here legally....

it is actually a lot more appealing monetarily than a whole new agnecy that is supposed to track people with the lousy plan they are trying to come with now....


153 posted on 04/13/2006 10:21:41 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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To: angcat

LOL!!!


154 posted on 04/13/2006 10:22:03 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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To: defconw
AGREED! BUT HOW! HOW! HOW! HOW! No one seems to know HOW!

No offense, (this isn't directed at you) but it seems congress and the Senate have both proposed how. The House bill (Sensenbrenner bill), for example, covered almost every aspect, but many arm-chair experts(sic) would take it apart line by line pointing out all the holes in the wall, and firing up everyone.

These people get everyone fired over holes they see, yet they 1. Don't propose a reasonable alternative 2. Aren't exactly experts on the area and are only pointing out holes based on their own 'expertise', most of which, people don't have in the area, 3. Motives are sometimes questionable.

They are(did) backing us into an all or nothing corner in this situation. Instead of us working together on the issue, we are following false immigration messiahs.

155 posted on 04/13/2006 10:22:12 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: defconw

BS! My grandfather was a share-cropper and dirt poor his entire life. Never owned a car and couldn't afford to buy livestock. He sent kids to school one at a time allowing them to complete the 8th grade, then were needed back on the farm.

My dad left the farm after the army, moved to another state and found factory work. I grew up middle class, but parents divorced when I was 10. Spent alot of time running the streets after that. I certainly had no intentions of joining military or college....but I did go to college later on scholarships and loans.

It can be done, but sounds like you've got too much of the defeatist attitude working against you.


156 posted on 04/13/2006 10:22:17 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: RasterMaster

Ras, also go to CQ to read the article on the UN and Iran and Other stories.

Arizona Votes For Immigration Enforcement

The Arizona state legislature voted to enact a bill that would require its law-enforcement agencies to arrest illegal immigrants for violating state laws against criminal trespass, a measure that would trump resistance to cooperating with federal agencies in rounding up illegal immigrants. The bill now goes to Democratic governor Janet Napolitano, who has made veto noises on this issue:

Two days after a big immigration march in Phoenix, the Arizona Legislature on Wednesday approved legislation to make illegal immigrants subject to the state's criminal trespassing law.

The Senate approved the bill on a 17-12 vote and the House followed with a 33-27 vote, with both Republican-led chambers voting nearly along party lines.

Supporters of the bill contend it would provide "a second line of defense" behind the border patrol by enabling state and local law enforcement officers to arrest illegal immigrants. ...

The bill was sent to Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano. She declined to say Wednesday what she'll do with it, but her office later released letters from 12 law enforcement groups and officials, including sheriffs in three border counties, urging her to veto the bill.

The bill "represents an enormous unfunded obligation for state, county and local law enforcement," Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada wrote.

The Arizona GOP has drawn a line in the sand. In order to avoid the criticism that they wanted to force state police to enforce federal law, the legislature made clear that the police should be enforcing state law to detain illegal immigrants. That paints Napolitano into a corner, and puts the Democrats on the defensive in a state that gives overwhelming support for border security. No longer can Napolitano make a case for federalism through vetoing tough border control legislation; this time she will either have to support the enforcement of state law or specifically cast herself and the Democrats as opposed to enforcing the law regarding illegal immigrants.

Expect Napolitano to veto the legislation. The GOP will not have the votes required to overturn the veto, but the positions will finally be made clear, and Arizona voters will know where Napolitano truly stands on border enforcement. Proposition 200, which required proof of citizenship for voting and applying for public benefits, passed 56-44 in 2004, demonstrating that Arizona wants better control over the border and illegal immigration. Napolitano's veto will put her on the wrong side of that divide just in time for her re-election campaign. She leads in early polling, but that may well come to an end with this decision.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/


157 posted on 04/13/2006 10:25:14 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: defconw

I am not saying the illegals are trash...

I am saying we cannot REWARD lawbreaking...

the very least we need to expect from people who want to be Americans is that they have respect for LAW and order...

heck- we have a hard time teaching that to natural born Americans....

choosing to do things the right way is not easy....but it is the right thing....


158 posted on 04/13/2006 10:25:45 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Conyers is guilty has sin.


159 posted on 04/13/2006 10:26:40 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: eeevil conservative
How many come in while we build the wall? Who pays for this wall? How long will it take? Will illegals build the wall? We have some walls and people go over them and under them. Have you looked at the terrain down there? Why not a more practical way for people to come in? Why not instead of creating an entire new bureaucracy work with Faith based groups to get people signed up for SS and registered with green cards? Spread the word that there are no more jobs. We treat these folks like they are not folks at all.
160 posted on 04/13/2006 10:26:57 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: LibertyLee

More like EC has a great sway over MNJ!!


161 posted on 04/13/2006 10:27:04 AM PDT by rodguy911
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks for the link!


162 posted on 04/13/2006 10:27:19 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

as sin.


163 posted on 04/13/2006 10:27:22 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Had he been a Republican it would have been Cooper or Blitzer chasing him down on the Capitol steps.


164 posted on 04/13/2006 10:28:24 AM PDT by sono ("If Congressional brains were cargo, there'd be nothing to unload." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: mnehrling

But they have no clue! We make them all felons? WTH? GITMO prisoners get trials. Do you wnat to pay for 12 million plus trials? Don't say it won't happen.


165 posted on 04/13/2006 10:29:26 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: defconw

A lot of non-citizens (mostly Green Card residents) DO serve in the military precisely because there is a program that grants them and immediate family citizenship more quickly than if they go the "normal" route. I would bet we would get a lot more if we gave the illegal aliens the same privilege. And why not? The Roman Empire granted citizenship to anyone willing to fight for her...


166 posted on 04/13/2006 10:29:49 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever--an admitted Idol and 24 watcher)
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To: RasterMaster

My Grandfather came to NYC from Sicily with nothing. He bought a shoe repair business and married and had three children. He saved 40K in thirty years and retired to Yonkers in a three family house along with my mom and uncle who carried the taxes and mortgage.


167 posted on 04/13/2006 10:30:17 AM PDT by angcat
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To: rodguy911

She has this GREAT sway over me too so I SHALL NOT comment...(besides I like me rear end...).


168 posted on 04/13/2006 10:30:46 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever--an admitted Idol and 24 watcher)
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To: angcat

Oh and.....................he spoke (learned) English!


169 posted on 04/13/2006 10:31:35 AM PDT by angcat
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To: defconw
Spread the word that there are no more jobs.

now that's funny.

170 posted on 04/13/2006 10:31:58 AM PDT by cold666pack ("I run this town. You're all just a bunch of low-income nobodies!" Mayor Quimby)
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To: defconw

One guy has a plan.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611523/posts

******snip
Radio Address by the President to the Nation, 04-08-06

Immigration is an emotional issue and a vitally important one. At its core, immigration is the sign of a confident and successful nation. It says something about our country that people around the world are willing to leave their homes, leave their families, and risk everything to come to America. Their talent, hard work, and love of freedom have helped make America a vibrant, strong Nation. And by reforming our immigration laws to meet the realities of the 21st century, we will ensure that America remains a beacon of liberty for generations to come.

I made clear that a comprehensive immigration reform bill must include three elements:

First, comprehensive immigration reform must secure our borders. Since I took office, we've increased funding for border security by 66 percent, and Federal agents have apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering this country illegally, including more than 400,000 with criminal records. To improve security at the border, we're hiring thousands more Border Patrol agents; we're deploying new technologies like infrared cameras and unmanned aerial vehicles to help our agents do their jobs; we're installing physical barriers to entry, like fences in urban areas. We're making good progress, but we have much more work ahead to gain control of our border. I'll continue to work with Congress to strengthen border security, so we can prevent illegal immigrants from crossing our border and make the immigration system more orderly and secure.

Second, comprehensive immigration reform must strengthen the enforcement of our laws in America's interior. Since I took office, we've increased funding for immigration enforcement by 42 percent, increased the number of immigration enforcement agents and criminal investigators, enhanced worksite enforcement, and gone after smugglers, gang members, and human traffickers. A good immigration bill should enhance our ability to stop document fraud and help employers comply with our laws.

Finally, comprehensive immigration reform must include a temporary worker program that relieves pressure on our borders, while rejecting amnesty. A temporary worker program would create a legal way to match willing foreign workers with willing American employers to fill jobs that no American is available to do. By creating a legal channel for those seeking temporary work in America, we would reduce the number of people trying to sneak across the border. This would free up law enforcement officers to focus on criminals, drug dealers, terrorists, and others who mean us harm. A temporary worker program would also improve security by creating tamper-proof identification cards, so we can keep track of every temporary worker who is here on a legal basis and identify those who are not.

****snip


171 posted on 04/13/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (In the end it does not matter if you win. All men die. What matters is how you lived. No surrender)
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To: LibertyLee
Rush is right. Closer to the elections, Republicans will start to think about what the Dems will do to this country and come out and vote.
172 posted on 04/13/2006 10:32:21 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: RasterMaster

No I don't everyone gets their back up. For every one kid like you that made it, there are 9 others for one reason or another did not make it. I don't expect you to give a damn you are a Republican, it's understood. "If I can do it anyone can". It's great in theory. My dad claimed he walked to school in hip high snow up hill both ways, I don't buy it. Time seems to mellow the memory.


173 posted on 04/13/2006 10:33:31 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Don't doubt for a moment that the Dems won't try harder to split our base as we get closer. Think about all the attempts to split us now: over immigration, over Iraq, over SCOTUS, etc.

This is going to be an ugly race and we need to remember the big picture.
174 posted on 04/13/2006 10:35:16 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: eeevil conservative

I know you cannot reward lawbreaking. But let's take that class of illegals who became illegal because BICE or INS didn't send them the right form and they didn't know they had a deadline. They became illegal because they didn't know better. I don't have any numbers (but neither do the people who come up with these estimates), but I would bet the number is at least 30%. Do we punish them for failures of our government? Do we break up families on the Holy principal of just the law? Or do we try to make the Law conform with reality. Believe me this is true. I had to have a Congress critter help me when I was getting my wife her first green card. And that's because I can read legalese. If she had been on her own she would have been illegal. Heck, I know some of her friends who are technically illegal because of a screwup like that. That's why I just can't go along with these things.


175 posted on 04/13/2006 10:35:18 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever--an admitted Idol and 24 watcher)
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To: mnehrling

You are correct. It's scary if ya think about it.


176 posted on 04/13/2006 10:36:41 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Not just thinking about it.. Lurk on any immigration thread here.. Some people are passionate, but I have no doubt that many are HSWs.
177 posted on 04/13/2006 10:37:36 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

From your lips to God's ears...I pray that's right but prayer needs action to be sure...


178 posted on 04/13/2006 10:37:39 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever--an admitted Idol and 24 watcher)
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To: MNJohnnie

I got no problem with this, but no one is listening to him!


179 posted on 04/13/2006 10:37:46 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Meghan Forbes story of the officer busting her for "door violations" instead of busting the illegal aliens illustrates the easy bust syndrome again. It's too easy to bust Meghan but takes a lot of effort to get the illegals.

It makes all cops look lazy instead of just the few that really are.

180 posted on 04/13/2006 10:38:20 AM PDT by rodguy911
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To: mnehrling; MNJohnnie

What's Rush's number? We must get jv scheduled for his show tomorrow. Did you guys email Rush?


181 posted on 04/13/2006 10:38:38 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: LibertyLee

ROFL


182 posted on 04/13/2006 10:38:56 AM PDT by rodguy911
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To: defconw



how many come in while we build the wall- I don't know- does that mean we don't build a wall because I don't have a number?

who pays for the wall- LOL! US, who else?

We have some walls and people go over them and under them.- no one is saying it will be perfect....nothing is.. if that were the standard- LOL! no solutions would ever be attempted...

Have you looked at the terrain down there? not personally- if I saw the terrain- then what? we can build a bridge from Florida to the keys- we can build a wall....we can get to the moon....we can build a wall.....

Why not a more practical way for people to come in? Why not instead of creating an entire new bureaucracy work with Faith based groups to get people signed up for SS and registered with green cards? Spread the word that there are no more jobs. We treat these folks like they are not folks at all. I have no idea where to even start..Ding people up for Social Security? HUH? Green Cards? I have no problem with giving people green cards.. but I am gainst giving anyone another stinking green card until they start enforcing the law against those that have already broken the time limits, etc on the ones currently given...that is just common sense.. as for no more jobs? there are plenty of jobs for illegals... more for them than for us- because they will work for less.....I don't think that is a good thing... we need to demand the gov't stop cowering in the corner and start busting the business owners who are brekaing the laws......what kind of an example is it to show businesses that doing business legally is stupid....?

Treating them like they are not folks? The worst thing in the world I can do for my kids is to treat them like victims and like they have no power. that cripples them. I expect them to do the right thing... it is the BEST thing I can do for them....


183 posted on 04/13/2006 10:39:58 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (I'm not racist- I'm an Equal Opportunity Enemy of ALL LAWBREAKING, TAX DODGING, FENCE CLIMBERS!)
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To: AliVeritas
800-282-2882

Does anyone have his 24/7 member e-mail addy? That may work better.
184 posted on 04/13/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: LibertyLee
Yep! So many Americans think that Immigrants have had all the same advantages that we have had so they attribute a level of sophistication and deceit upon them that simply is not there.
185 posted on 04/13/2006 10:40:31 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: LibertyLee

In 08 Durbins seat is up in my state of Illinois. I hope and pray that people in this state wake up and throw him out.


186 posted on 04/13/2006 10:40:52 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: rodguy911

you know, the same logic could be applied to the fact that they don't bust illegals because there's no money in it. you can't get blood from a turnip (is that the saying?) But they will go after foreigners that do have the financial means to pay, ie. europeans, indians, russians, because they know they will beg borrow or steal to get their family members out of jail. just my observation.


187 posted on 04/13/2006 10:42:12 AM PDT by cold666pack ("I run this town. You're all just a bunch of low-income nobodies!" Mayor Quimby)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
A big blow to the dems will be Irey taking out Murtha.
http://abaraxas.blogspot.com/2006/03/diana-irey-positioned-to-take-out.html#links

There are a few strategic races that could cripple their party.
188 posted on 04/13/2006 10:42:30 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: defconw

My parents had the walk-to-school stories....with my dad's family, it was TRUE!

If the theory is put into practice, it works! It's better to try and fail than to "blame the man" for one's short-comings.


189 posted on 04/13/2006 10:42:38 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: defconw
I will simply point out that I come from a poor background. There have been times I was not even sure if I would have a roof over my head next month. Or where next weeks groceries would come from.

I would simply point out you work from a false premise. It is not compassion to shackle millions to Govt Bureaucracy that does one thing, create a cycle of dependency across generations.

Reb/Conservative donate 10s of billions more to Private Charity then Leftists. The spend thousands more hours working for private charities and church out reach groups. The actually care for people as people, not as a reliable voting class keep in a substance level lifestyle to assure a tame voting block. Handouts are not compassion.

190 posted on 04/13/2006 10:43:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (In the end it does not matter if you win. All men die. What matters is how you lived. No surrender)
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To: eeevil conservative
We treat these people like trash. We act like they are trash, and we will continue to treat them that way until we recognize them as not an enemy but people. It's not about victims, they don't see themselves as victims, they seem themselves as bettering their lot, just because they are dirt to "you" does not make them victims.
191 posted on 04/13/2006 10:44:25 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: mnehrling

What other strategic races will cripple them? Which states? I have a strong feeling Murtha is gonna lose his seat.


192 posted on 04/13/2006 10:44:50 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
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To: All

Got to run. See you all tomorrow.


193 posted on 04/13/2006 10:45:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (In the end it does not matter if you win. All men die. What matters is how you lived. No surrender)
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To: AliVeritas; MNJohnnie
Does anyone have his 24/7 member e-mail addy? That may work better...

...also, someone who regularly converses with Mark Levin or Tony Snow can Freepmail them, they probably have Rush's private e-mail addy and he would take note if they suggested a topic.

194 posted on 04/13/2006 10:45:33 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: MNJohnnie

By GF


195 posted on 04/13/2006 10:45:56 AM PDT by angcat
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To: mnehrling

Emailed him already.


196 posted on 04/13/2006 10:47:41 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: eeevil conservative
Eeevil, here's a link from FNC that supports both of our positions:

http://www.foxnews.com/specialreport/index.html

It talks about the 10-20 year wait to get into this country from people who are unquestionably good people. If we rationalized the law for the world, stories like this wouldn't be true. We can do border security, but let's have the vigor immigration provides this country.

197 posted on 04/13/2006 10:47:50 AM PDT by LibertyLee (George W. Bush--now more than ever--an admitted Idol and 24 watcher)
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To: angcat

My immigrant ancestor came from Dublin in 1769, indenturing himself to make the trip. He worked for a Virginia planter (in-law of George Washington), joined the Virginia militia during the Indian wars, then the Continentals in Washington's army. That was two enlistments, then volunteered for a third.

Was among the sick at Valley Forge, and wounded at Camden or Stony Point battle losing the use of his right arm. Two of his sons fought the British in War of 1812 and at least one in each generation served in every war since.


198 posted on 04/13/2006 10:48:14 AM PDT by RasterMaster ("Bin Laden shows others the road to Paradise, but never offers to go along for the ride." GWB)
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To: MNJohnnie
So you send a check that absolves you from caring? You don't want to know these people. You don't want them in your churches. your schools or your neighborhoods. You want to send money and that should be enough they should be grateful and shut up.Great pat the little loser on the head. No wonder this party lost the black vote.
199 posted on 04/13/2006 10:48:24 AM PDT by defconw (Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Murtha for example or anyone that the Dems put on a pedestal as standing up for their 'values'.. but first, this run off in California that was suggested earlier as they are forcing so much media attention on it.

We also shouldn't doubt how important Katherine Harris' run is. She is one of the most hated and to them, one of the faces of the Bush Administration; to take out an establishment dem by a 'Bushie' would be devastating to them.
200 posted on 04/13/2006 10:48:37 AM PDT by mnehring (NeoCon and Proud of it! - http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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