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Officials: Iran Nuclear Bomb Is Years Away
Yahoo! News ^ | April 13, 2006 | Katherine Shrader

Posted on 04/13/2006 11:56:20 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot

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"What the Iranians have announced, is what they've announced," said Brill, speaking alongside nine senior intelligence officials at a discussion of the Office of the National Intelligence Director's first year

Wow. This guy has really gone out on a limb with all of this intelligence. He has claimed to know the exact date of their first underground test, and the technology/yield of the system. My dog could make a more accurate prediction.

21 posted on 04/13/2006 12:18:38 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: CougarGA7
to create a 20kg weapon that would have a 10 to 20 ton yield.

10 to 20 Kiloton yield?

22 posted on 04/13/2006 12:18:54 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No, 10 to 20 ton.


23 posted on 04/13/2006 12:19:54 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It took 3 years 8 months from FDR giving the go ahead for the Manhattan Project to dropping the bombs on Japan. Now in 2006 all of the physics is well understood and Iran is enriching uranium. I don't think anyone sane could say that any major country on earth is more than 3 years 8 months from producing atomic bombs. And since Iran has proceeded well down the road it is a lot closer than that.


24 posted on 04/13/2006 12:20:45 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (If you have a leaking pipe, you shut off the water valve before deciding on amnesty for the puddles.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

That's assuming they make the smallest possible weapon and it is 1.1 of critical mass.


25 posted on 04/13/2006 12:21:14 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: 3AngelaD

"You have to wonder where AP finds them."

From every single "Journalism School" in the country.


26 posted on 04/13/2006 12:21:59 PM PDT by CarolinaGOP ("A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." - Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
He noted that the regime has blustered before about developments that did not readily materialize

Sometimes it makes more sense to overreact to insistent cries of "Wolf", than to be too readily dismissive. After all, wolves do exist and ignoring them can lead to one painful lesson.

27 posted on 04/13/2006 12:22:29 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So we have years before we need to worry about Iran...Why don't I believe these people???


28 posted on 04/13/2006 12:28:02 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Are these the same folks that assured me less than 6 months ago that iran was 7-10 years away from enriching it's uranium.


29 posted on 04/13/2006 12:28:45 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion....islam)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yeah... and it's an crAP article.
30 posted on 04/13/2006 12:30:21 PM PDT by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: edpc


Give me open access to everything in a Radio Shack store and about 10,000 smoke detectors, which contain Cesium, and In Hoc can make a atomic weapon...

The trickiest part of a nuke, outside the trigger mechanism, is obtaining fissile material.

Iran is way, way, way, closer than 5-10 years...


31 posted on 04/13/2006 12:31:03 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You guys are forgetting they still have to develop the precise timing detonation mechanism, which cannot be acquired on the black market and must be built internally. That will take time. It's not as simple as "make 200lbs of yellowcake, put it in a ball, and drop it."

Several years from now to me (according to our estimates) means 2-3 yrs from a deliverable weapon. It will not be a missle - something somewhat portable. They'll try to sneak it in either by ship or fake airline, some other way. Have to intervene by the summer of 2007 or I think it will be too late and next President wont be as apt to get involved.

32 posted on 04/13/2006 12:32:14 PM PDT by rjp2005
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To: in hoc signo vinces
In Hoc can make a atomic weapon...

Show off ;-)

33 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:11 PM PDT by edpc
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You figure add to that a conservative estimate of 1 year for building their network for delivering it (which they are probably attempting to do right now setting up contacts now), and thats a strike window opening in 2010, 4 years from now.


34 posted on 04/13/2006 12:35:28 PM PDT by rjp2005
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"There is still a very significant amount of time that needs to be worked through by the Iranians to get to where they want to go."

Iran can get nukes quickly with the right entities helping them. Whatever they do, it will be done secretly in deep underground laboratories. We will have to light up their world to hit the many to get the one.

35 posted on 04/13/2006 12:37:45 PM PDT by jonrick46
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I'll take a contrary position here and say that the Iranian nuke program is not what worries me the most.

As a young student, the first Iranians I ever met were female (!) nuclear physicists who were visiting scientists at one of our major national laboratories. The refinement of uranium to weapons grade (~80% enriched U, very far from the few % ballyhooed by Iran's crazy president) is an enormous undertaking that requires, among other things, hugh infrastructure investments and an army of scientists, engineers and technicians - in other words, a technologically advanced middle class.

That last requirement is a moderating influence. Bush stated this week (I believe at Johns Hopkins) that he wanted to prevent Iran from even acquiring the knowledge for U-enrichment. Well, THAT is decades too late, because we'd have to kill off or otherwise neutralize every physicist, nuclear engineer or physics student in Iran - the very class of people most likely to be western-leaning. I think most politicians are not quite up-to-speed here.

The real, immediate danger is a "dirty bomb" or other small nuclear device planted in one of our major cities or critical power plants. Far, FAR easier, and much harder to detect is simply obtaining a bomb or the U through underground sources. In this respect our security is woefully lacking to 2 critical areas: 1) port security and 2) tracking Soviet-era nukes (some scary number of which are still unaccounted for).

We collaborated with Soviet scientists for decades on basic research projects throughout the Cold War, and that helped develop a class of western-leaning, freedom seeking people, highly skilled and intelligent (Sakarov, the father of the Soviet H-bomb, was just one outstanding example), that cranked up the internal pressure to overthrow Communism there. All the Iranians I have personally met are very pro-American (though some are not too happy with the current admin., who they feel are encouraging the Islamoradicals). So in that sense, I see the development of a nuclear enrichment program as less of a threat (and a possible positive change) than most would here.

Please keep the flames at moderate levels! :)

36 posted on 04/13/2006 12:38:29 PM PDT by ziggygrey
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To: LibWhacker

True enough, but with atomics and nukes, we're talking real, palpable terror. He may be insane, but he means what he says.


37 posted on 04/13/2006 12:38:40 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: KarlInOhio

Good point. Since we had some scientific development already done before the go-ahead, and Iran is operating under international contstraints, I would add a half year to that and make it 4 at best speed.


38 posted on 04/13/2006 12:39:42 PM PDT by rjp2005
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To: glorgau
Er, the bombs were named tall boy (U-235 gun-type) and fat man (plutonium implosion type). And the U-235 one weighed 12,000 pounds, making it non-trivial to deliver. Implosion lensing is essential to make physically smaller bombs for missile delivery.
39 posted on 04/13/2006 12:45:21 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: ziggygrey
Interesting points. The majority of young Iranians would probably agree with you, but unfortunately the regime in power is opposite of that, which is why the regime change iran movement among dissidents/exiles is so strong. Remember, it was these dissidents who turned over to our government (and the world) that Iran had been hiding years of nuclear research and development.

Regarding the dirty bomb, that doesnt seem to fit. The Iranian government is very proud and desires to run the entire process themselves. It is much easier for them to work in secret in their own country where we cannot see anything, rather than to risk putting out more feelers for black market weapons while our post 9-11 ears are everywhere watching for these kind of shady deals.

40 posted on 04/13/2006 12:47:24 PM PDT by rjp2005
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