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W. House backs Rumsfeld as generals demand he resign
Reuters ^ | April 14 2006 | Steve Holland

Posted on 04/13/2006 3:15:15 PM PDT by jmc1969

The White House gave a new vote of confidence to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Thursday as yet another retired general demanded Rumsfeld resign.

"Yes, the president believes Secretary Rumsfeld is doing a very fine job during a challenging period in our nation's history," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters.

A fifth retired general, Major Gen. John Riggs, added his voice to those opposing Rumsfeld. In an interview with National Public Radio, Riggs cited an atmosphere of "arrogance" among top civilian leaders at the Pentagon.

Rumsfeld "should step aside and let someone step in who can be more realistic," he said.

Of the Pentagon's civilian leadership, Riggs said: "They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign."

Retired Marine Corps Gen. Anthony Zinni kept up the pressure for Rumsfeld's scalp by telling CNN Rumsfeld should be held accountable for a series of blunders, starting with "throwing away 10 years worth of planning, plans that had taken into account what we would face in an occupation of Iraq."

"I think he should (resign). This is not personal, believe me. We grew up in a culture where accountability, learning to accept responsibility, admitting your mistakes and learning from them was critical to us," Zinni said.

A recently retired two-star general, Maj. Gen. John Batiste, who commanded the Germany-based 1st Infantry Division in Iraq, called on Wednesday for Rumsfeld to resign.

(Excerpt) Read more at in.today.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; dod; flagrankbabies; praise; rumsfeld; secdef
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1 posted on 04/13/2006 3:15:17 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Simply amazing.


2 posted on 04/13/2006 3:16:26 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: jmc1969


Here we go again.

This serves nothing...but the agendas of some very spiteful, very evil, folks in the media and democratic party.


3 posted on 04/13/2006 3:18:00 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: jmc1969
You know what you call a retired General?

Mister.


4 posted on 04/13/2006 3:18:02 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Dog

Who woulda thunk that NPR would ever become a hangout for retired American generals.


5 posted on 04/13/2006 3:19:01 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: jmc1969

Reuters left out "Retired" Generals.

So what's your take? Should rummy resign?


6 posted on 04/13/2006 3:19:49 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Dog

No, Rumsfeld stepped on the pride of a lot of brasshats. They wanted a 1991 style operation. The 330,000 they were proposing would have not have contained many more boots on the ground that the force that Tommy Franks used. The rest would have been support.


7 posted on 04/13/2006 3:20:15 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jmc1969

How long will it take us to undo all the damage done to our military by the rotten lib scum who politically generalled the thing nearly into the ground during the 1990s? If Algore had won, there would be nothing left by now.


8 posted on 04/13/2006 3:21:23 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Rummy should run for President.

Resign? LOL!


9 posted on 04/13/2006 3:22:08 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Reuters left out "Retired" Generals.

This is a key point. When I first read the title I was spun into thinking, "well if currently surving Generals (plural) are calling for him to step down maybe the Whitehouse should consider some action."

10 posted on 04/13/2006 3:23:08 PM PDT by Moleman
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To: vbmoneyspender

It took eight years for Clinton to royally screw up the FBI, CIA, state dept and yes, damage the military. What is surprising and down right unforgivable is for ANY general to speak out against their commander in chief's decision making during a time of war. I wish Bush would retaliate and at least punish these traitors somehow.


11 posted on 04/13/2006 3:25:54 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: Moleman
When I first read the title I was spun into thinking, "well if currently surving Generals (plural) are calling for him to step down maybe the Whitehouse should consider some action."

You'll never see a serving general or admiral call for the Secretary of Defense or any other civilian military head resign. That apparently doesn't mean that some aren't thinking it.

12 posted on 04/13/2006 3:26:06 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RobbyS

More to the point. We didnt have the time for a massive build up...we still wanted take the "initiative" in battle with the little surprise we had.

Plus...How would we have brought all those troops into the theater to be effective, since Turkey denied us another front to attack from? Franks did a good job with what he had in the time frame he had to do it in, which is why the oil fields in Iraq were pretty much taken intact and the people of Iraq were liberated without a Shermanesque type invasion plan.

So...these Generals are either oblivious to the "whyfor's" of Gen. Franks planning and the fluidity of the situation at the beginning of OIF or, worse, being disingenious with an axe to grind...methinks the later is more probable.

Shame on them.


13 posted on 04/13/2006 3:26:30 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: jmc1969

Maj. Gen. John Batiste

I know of him...that is all I chose to say.


14 posted on 04/13/2006 3:27:22 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Forgot to add because it is Easter.


15 posted on 04/13/2006 3:27:49 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jmc1969
Some background noise on what's possibly going on here:

June 4, 2005

John Riggs to Donald Rumsfeld: "You Can't Handle The Truth!"

Like Tim Cruise receiving such an acid reply from Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men," supposedly rough and tough Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld cannot handle receiving reality from those in his charge.

This is one of the bonafide trademarks of the Bush Administration--either swallow the Kool-Aid or be damned. Mistakes don't matter--loyalty does.

Previously, Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki (whose replacement was then quickly announced over a year ahead of time) told a Senate committee that 200,000 troops would be need to control Iraq after Saddma's downfall. Ace military-meister Rumsfeld pooh-poohed such a number and crack(pot) troop expert Paul Wolfowitz added that Shinseki's estimates were:

"wildly off the mark...I am reasonably certain that they will greet us as liberators, and that will help us to keep requirements down."

Protecting ammo dumps (explosives now used against our troops) and oil pipelines, plus the prevention of looting--naw, none of that mattered. At least not to those planners and visionaries tucked away in the safe confines of Washington D.C. Their errors don't count, even if such result in higher body and maiming counts. Remember, it's all about loyalty. Nothing else.

This time it's military man John Riggs who was given the bum's rush for allowing that the emperor had no clothes (again).

Unceremonious end to Army career
Outspoken general fights demotion
By Tom Bowman
Sun National Staff
May 29, 2005
WASHINGTON - John Riggs spent 39 years in the Army, earning a Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery during the Vietnam War and working his way up to become a three-star general entrusted with creating a high-tech Army for the 21st century.

But on a spring day last year, Riggs was told by senior Army officials that he would be retired at a reduced rank, losing one of his stars because of infractions considered so minor that they were not placed in his official record.

He was given 24 hours to leave the Army. He had no parade in review, no rousing martial music, no speeches or official proclamations praising his decades in uniform, the trappings that normally herald a high-level military retirement. Instead, Riggs went to a basement room at Fort Myer, Va., and signed some mandatory forms. Then a young sergeant mechanically presented him with a flag and a form letter of thanks from President Bush.

"That's the coldest way in the world to leave," Riggs, 58, said in a drawl that betrays his rural roots in southeast Missouri. "It's like being buried and no one attends your funeral."

So what cost Riggs his star?

His Pentagon superiors said he allowed outside contractors to perform work they were not supposed to do, creating "an adverse command climate."

But some of the general's supporters believe the motivation behind his demotion was politics. Riggs was blunt and outspoken on a number of issues and publicly contradicted Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld by arguing that the Army was overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan and needed more troops.

"They all went bat s- - when that happened," recalled retired Army Lt. Gen. Jay M. Garner, a one-time Pentagon adviser who ran reconstruction efforts in Iraq in the spring of 2003. "The military part of [the defense secretary's office] has been politicized. If [officers] disagree, they are ostracized and their reputations are ruined."

Little-used punishment

A senior officer's loss of a star is a punishment seldom used, and then usually for the most serious offenses, such as dereliction of duty or command failures, adultery or misuse of government funds or equipment.

Over the past several decades, generals and admirals faced with far more serious official findings - scandals at the Navy's Tailhook Convention, the Air Force Academy and Abu Ghraib prison, for example - have continued in their careers or retired with no loss of rank.

Les Brownlee, who was then acting Army secretary and who ordered that Riggs be reduced in rank, said he stands by the demotion. "I read the [Army inspector general's] report and made that judgment. I happen to think it was that serious. Maybe I have a higher standard for these things," Brownlee said in an interview. "I still believe it was the right decision."

Rumsfeld's office had no comment for this story, referring all questions to the Army, which issued a statement.

The two contracting infractions "reflected negatively on Lt. Gen. Riggs's overall leadership and revealed an adverse command climate," the Army statement said. "Based on the review of the investigation and Lt. Gen. Riggs's comments, the Acting Secretary of the Army [Brownlee] concluded that Lt. Gen. Riggs did not serve satisfactorily in the grade of lieutentant general."

Garner and 40 other Riggs supporters - including an unusually candid group of retired generals - are trying to help restore his rank.

But even his most ardent supporters concede that his appeal has little chance of succeeding and that an act of Congress might be required.

From the ranks

Riggs' rise to three-star general was heady stuff for a man who left the family's cotton farm in Missouri and enlisted in the Army in 1965, the same year America deployed combat troops to Vietnam. After three years as a soldier, Riggs went through Officer Candidate School and soon was piloting a twin-rotor Chinook above the central highlands of Vietnam.

On March 17, 1971, Riggs flew the lumbering, troop-carrying helicopter on a voluntary medevac mission to a base at Phu Nhon which had been under heavy attack from a battalion of North Vietnamese soldiers, according to Army records. On his first approach to the base he was forced back by enemy fire, but he tried another flight path and was able to set down on a small and dusty landing zone.

he young officer flew out 59 wounded soldiers, 30 of whom "probably would have died if Captain Riggs and his crew had not acted as they did," said Riggs' citation for the Distinguished Flying Cross, a top medal awarded for "exceptionally valorous actions."

After the war, Riggs worked his way up through the ranks in the Army, serving in Korea and Germany as well as a stint with NATO headquarters in Brussels. He commanded troops from the platoon level to the First U.S. Army, which is based in Georgia and is responsible for training National Guard and Reserve troops east of the Mississippi.

Among Riggs' accomplishments with the First Army was the largest rotation of part-time troops since World War II, when the Guard's 29th Infantry Division, which includes troops from Maryland and Virginia, deployed to Bosnia for a peacekeeping mission in 2001.

http://www.icogitate.com/~celticfolkmusic/blog/JohnRiggs.html

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16 posted on 04/13/2006 3:28:38 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: jmc1969
...generals demand he resign

What a hugely distorted headline.

It amounts to overt pervarication.

17 posted on 04/13/2006 3:28:40 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: jmc1969

I wonder if the articles announcing his getting on the bandwagon against Rumsfield also mention that he was fired for opposing the Iraq war? The article also should mention that he appeared on the socialist oriented NPR. Malcontent retired General criticises his former boss on marxist public radio that nobody listens to, but the news was picked up anyway by the drive by media.


18 posted on 04/13/2006 3:28:41 PM PDT by olezip
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
So what's your take? Should rummy resign?

Those Generals are just upset because Rumsfeld would not let them throw the war in the toilet.

NO, HE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT RESIGN.

19 posted on 04/13/2006 3:29:01 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: jmc1969
The title should be change to:

W. House backs Rumsfeld as generals Clinton era political Komisars demand he resign

20 posted on 04/13/2006 3:29:09 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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