THE KEY WORD HERE IS ILLEGAL

Sierra Times ^ | 4/14/2006 | Al Benson, Jr.

[r9etb]

I can't do this anymore today...it's very depressing. Take care,sw

You, too, ma'am.

[Wil H]

The supporters of illegal immigration try to maginalize the crossing of the border illgaly as a technicality, but that is only just the start of their ongoing illegallity.

They steal identifications, they steal jobs from Americans, They pay no taxes, they drive without insurance or licences, it goes on and on.

The crime rate in Phoenix, has spiked alarmingly in recent years, Phoenix now has the 4th worst per capita rate in the country.


How can anyone expect that someone who flagrantly breaks the law to enter the country is going to respect the law once they get here?

[jetson]

The illegals are citizens of Mexico

Most are taking awAy LEGAL American jobs using no social security number, fake social security numbers or a legal American stolen social security number.

Many also work for cash.

Many send money tax free to Mexico.

Many have no permanent address.

Who knows where the illegals will be in ten years.

SO WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT NOT CONCERNED ( ESPECIALLY THE DEMOCRATS ) WHAT ALL THIS IS DOING TO FUTURE SOCIAL SECURITY PAYMENT CONTRIBUTIONS!

[G.Mason]

You want into bait some here into stating they don't want wetbacks in the US? Because that seems to be the game you're playing.

If you are too moronic to answer a civil, logical question, then just piss off!

[r9etb]

What area do you need to know about? The welfare drain? The depressing of wages for unskilled workers? The cost of educating the children of illegals? The enabling of a corrupt system in Mexico?

I don't need to "know" about them, as I already have a pretty good feel for it. The point was to get you to name some problems.

Welfare drain -- that's primarily a problem caused by American state and local governments extending welfare to illegals. If you want to fix that problem, start with your legislature. Same with schools.

Depressing wages for unskilled workers -- That's an interesting one: the free market seems to be at work here. You need to provide more detail about why this one is a problem.

Enabling a corrupt system in Mexico -- Agreed. The question is: what is our best response? If we send these folks home there's probably going to be a revolution down south, and we might not like what comes out of it -- could be an increased flow of refugees across our borders, for example. So that's got to be looked at carefully.

Any other problems?

[Wonder Warthog]

"I'm suggesting, rather, that some folks aren't really all that concerned with its illegality except as a convenience -- they oppose the border-crossers for other reasons (with some reasons being better than others)."

And what might those "other reasons" be?? The fact that their continuing presence encourages the same "culture of corruption" that already exists in Mexico?? The fact that simply to be here they have to commit a continuing series of crimes?? The fact that they are bringing in diseases that had been pretty much eradicated in the US??

[r9etb]

You want into bait some here into stating they don't want wetbacks in the US? Because that seems to be the game you're playing.

No, not at all. I want you to tell me why you think it's a problem. If you'd rather I judge your real views on the matter by your heated response, go right ahead and leave it at that. If you want to be taken seriously, though, please give an honest answer.

[r9etb]

And what might those "other reasons" be??

That's what I'm asking folks to provide.

[P-40]

You need to provide more detail about why this one is a problem.

If you cannot grasp the problem with that using common sense...you have no grasp of the illegal immigration issue as a whole. Do you really not understand that depressing wages is a problem. Do you know what the dropout rate is in this country. Where are those people supposed to make a living? Do you want to pay welfare for them forever? And no one is going to cut off welfare to illegals or keep their kids out of schools. There are too many bleeding heart idiots out there who created the illegal immigration problem in the first place. And a revolution in Mexico would be an improvement.

[Wil H]

I'm just asking you to tell me what you perceive to be the problems raised by illegal immigration. Are you going to bluster instead?

1 Violation of Sovereignty.

2. Breakdown of National Security.

3. Overwhelming of emergency medical services forcing some into closure.

4. Rampant lawlessness and escalating violent crime.

5. Huge increase in uninsured motorists.

6. Increased cost to taxpayers as welfare rolls swell

7. Increased cost to taxpayer dealing with ever growing non English speaking clientele.

8. Depression of wages in low skilled and entry level jobs as illegals take jobs that high school students used to do.

9. Increased drug trade.

10. Violent gun battles between competing gangs of immigrant smugglers.

11. Destruction and trashing of the desert by thoushands trekking across it and leaving litter.

12. Destruction of neighborhoods with hundreds hiding in "drop houses" in unsanitary conditions.

Need I go on? just points 1 and 2 are enough...

[G.Mason]

Should you wish to address my #33 I will entertain you, otherwise I consider you as simply another race baiter, being intellectually dishonest.

[Dead Corpse]

Well yeah... but other than that... (/sarc)

Don't bother feeding the OBL trolls. At the very least you'll waste a lot of time to no effect. At worst, they'll try and get you to say something hasty and have the Mods can your account.

[r9etb]

If you cannot grasp the problem with that using common sense...

I see that you're more interested in insults than in stating your case clearly and concisely -- which is lamentably common in this debate (so called).

What is your solution for dealing with the "bleeding heart idiots who created the illegal immigration problem in the first place?"

[P-40]

I see that you're more interested in insults than in stating your case clearly and concisely

Those weren't insults. Just observations. Because you cannot understand the answers does not mean that I have not stated my case. The problem of illegal immigration involves really simple math. It is obvious that you are not into math.

It is way too late to deal with the bleeding hearts. They've done their damage and it is probably too late to fix it.

[FrankR]

I totally agree. There are some other things we could do too.

Make it law that:

1. Every immigrant must have a voluntary (citizen) sponsor. That sponsor would be totally responsible for the immigrant including financially, criminally, and creating a 3-year path for the alien to learn English and become a legal citizen. If this goal is not attained and alien is deported...no appeals.
Any laws broken by the alien, taxes not paid by the alien, and failure to maintain a path toward citizenship would leave the sponsor legally liable for their failure to maintain control over their charge

2. Only one sponsor per alien allowed...no "group sponsor ships" or sponsoring a "group" of aliens.

My suggest gives the bleeding heart liberals who want an free-for-all at our borders a chance to step up to the plate, pick their favorite alien, and sponsor them. Be as responsible for their alien as they are for children. If the alien screws up and gets deported, they can just look at it like another "abortion".

Let's pass the law and see how many takers we have as "sponsors", and how well that works out for them.

That way, we're giving the aliens a chance to stay in a perfectly humane way...it's up to their voluntary sponsors whether they stay or not.

What the hell...it was just a thought.

[r9etb]

Need I go on?

By all means, go on. List them all, if you can. I'm not asking you to try to convince me of anything; rather, I'm suggesting that a list of what you think are the problems would be a good place to start, if one is really interested in solving them.

[P-40]

Don't bother feeding the OBL trolls.

Trolls are fun though. The participants in the pro-illegal alien marches are just like them. Clones even.

[r9etb]

Should you wish to address my #33 I will entertain you, otherwise I consider you as simply another race baiter, being intellectually dishonest.

You're reading far too much into my posts. I'm simply asking you to say why you think it's a problem. There's nothing dishonest about the question, and I'm not engaged in race-baiting either.

You say it's a problem. Please tell me why you think it's a problem.

[P-40]

Please tell me why you think it's a problem.

I think you have been told what the problems are more times than you needed. Either you get it, or you don't.

[Dead Corpse]

It's your time. Just be careful. Some of the Mods appear to be sympathetic for some reason.

FReegards...