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Director posits proof of biblical Exodus
The Globe and Mail ^ | 14 April 2006 | Michael Posner

Posted on 04/14/2006 5:58:16 AM PDT by timsbella

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To: BibChr
todah rabah, w'chag same'ach l'cha!
61 posted on 04/14/2006 10:01:55 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Pookyhead
According to the OT, the actual name of God, if you ever got it right, would get you killed, unless you were the High Priest of the Temple in Jerusalem. The actual name was not intended to be thrown about carelessly, because it contains too much power for most people.

The Hebrew Bible ("Old Testament" to Christians) does not actually say that, and in fact mentions people using the name YHVH (however it was actually pronounced) in common speech. (See, e.g., Ruth 2:4). In Second Temple times (ca. 500 BCE- 70 CE), the custom became not to pronounce that name in ordinary speech; at first, it was used only by priests at services in the Temple, and eventually (according to the Talmud) only by the High Priest at the service on Yom Kippur.

62 posted on 04/14/2006 10:10:08 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: BibChr
The "v" is by way of German, most recently; but in German, the "v" is pronounced like our "w."

In modern Hebrew, the letter Vav is pronounced as a "v." This is true in the pronunciations of all Jews, whether European (Ashkenazi), middle eastern or Israeli. There are modern scholars who think it was pronounced "w" in Biblical times, but I don't know if there is any consensus on that.

63 posted on 04/14/2006 10:14:26 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Reaganesque

That is true. I've seen pictures of them. Some of the chariot wheels are even of the 4-spoked variety, which would indicate an early periode. About the time of the Exodus or shortly thereafter (c.1350 B.C.) 6-spoke wheels began to become more common.


64 posted on 04/14/2006 10:19:22 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Yes. I think a Day of Reckoning for the Philistines, Canaanites, and Ismaelites is at hand. No nation that has ever persecuted the Jews has ever escaped eventual destruction. I know there are closet Jew-hater here on FR. They had better open their mouths to bless the sons of Abraham, becausee God said He would bless those who blessed him and that He would curse those who curse him. Else, they will share the same fate as the sons of Ishmael, who are heaping up for themselves wrath.


65 posted on 04/14/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: aruanan

This would have been the same Santorini eruption that desimated the Minoan Culture on Crete, and wiped out Thera, correct?


66 posted on 04/14/2006 10:41:39 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: aruanan; SunkenCiv
"Wasn't the Santorini eruption discussed pretty thoroughly in that book Exodus to Arthur by Mike Baille?"

Yes. Very good part of that book. Some Charred wheat and ash from Santorina was found and dated to the correct time, under the collapsed walls of Jerico which the Jews claim to have destroyed after the Exodus.

This account by the director is exactly the account that I embrace even though SunkenCiv has consistently made a ceditable argument against this particular 'story.'

68 posted on 04/14/2006 12:10:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: bert
"Although there may have been an Exodus, it was such a minor event it was not mentioned in Egyptian history."

???

Flawed Western logic.

Show me where ancient Egyptian history ever played up a crushing defeat?

Why would any ancient Egyptian historian point out that a Pharaoh was unable to maintain control over two million Hebrew slaves and lost his life in pursuit of them?

Especially when Modern Egyptians cannot even get the story of the six day war correct?

Please...

Think before you post.

69 posted on 04/14/2006 12:33:25 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4
You have been duped by the propaganda of the Chroniclers. The Isrealites were at best minor players on the stage of world history. To suggest they had a population in excess of two million flee Egypt is delusional.


They revised their history to suit their boasts. The Exodus of which you speak is a colossal revisionist boast.

70 posted on 04/14/2006 12:46:37 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Tokra

It would make sense if, as slaves, the Jews were made to live in camps in a highground or some other sector away from the lava flow. But I never heard that lava flow was the method to strike down the firstborn... and it would seem to be more indiscriminate - that it would kill second born and moms and dads too.


71 posted on 04/14/2006 12:47:39 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Pookyhead

Correct, the vowels are implied by context, or placement, of the letters. And the consonsants are indeed placeholders. The pronounciation Yawheh is a completely anglicized pronounciation of the consonants with implied vowels. In all actuality the Name of God is pronounced entirely differently. Since it is forbidden to write His name, those characters are written in its place, and when you see it you know you are supposed to say something else. Sort of like a code word.


72 posted on 04/14/2006 12:51:10 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: TXnMA

If you go there prepare to pay a lot of bakshish, or possibly get kidnapped and your throat slit by crazy Islamists who will not think twice about killing anyone trying to prove that the Jews actually have a history.


73 posted on 04/14/2006 12:53:57 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: massgopguy
Why do you think Moe, Curly and Shemp Horowitz of the Three Stooges changed their name to Howard. And they still got screwed.

And don't forget Larry - he changed his name from Feinstein to Fine.

74 posted on 04/14/2006 1:18:19 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: aruanan

There was no massive eruption at Santorini in that time frame. The caldera formed about 22,000 years ago, and the only record of an eruption in antiquity is circa 200 BC.

New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 3:25:45 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1180724/posts


75 posted on 04/14/2006 1:51:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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76 posted on 04/14/2006 1:56:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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77 posted on 04/14/2006 1:57:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TXnMA

I don't know the coordinates, but those were purportedly taken in the Gulf of Aqaba, in the shallowest part, and all of it appears to be modern junk. I've gotten some amusement in the past that one of the so-called chariots didn't survive, but its two wheels still on their axle is just setting there, on end. It's based on Ron Wyatt's claims that the Exodus took place east of the Sinai peninsula, and that Mt. Sinai was in Arabia.


78 posted on 04/14/2006 2:02:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: doc30

There happens to be a Red Sea, but there isn't any Reed Sea; also, it makes no sense that two words alike in the "into" language would be confused -- there's nothing to recommend the idea, IOW. It happens that the bitter lakes which are now somewhat freshened by the Suez Canal are in the correct general ballpark, but there's still not any apparent way for those to drown the Pharaoh. So, if it was a natural event, it isn't one that has taken place since then.

Had (for example) the escaping Hebrews just crossed the Nile before a large tidal surge rushed up from the Mediterranean (requiring of course some kind of mechanism for the tidal surge in the first place), it seems pretty likely that the Biblical account would say, it happened as the Pharaoh tried to cross the Nile.


79 posted on 04/14/2006 2:10:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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80 posted on 04/14/2006 2:16:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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