Skip to comments.ISP Snooping Gaining Support
Posted on 04/14/2006 1:21:05 PM PDT by steve-b
The explosive idea of forcing Internet providers to record their customers' online activities for future police access is gaining ground in state capitols and in Washington, D.C....
Mandatory data retention requirements worry privacy advocates because they permit police to obtain records of e-mail chatter, Web browsing or chat-room activity that normally would have been discarded after a few months. And some proposals would require providers to retain data that ordinarily never would have been kept at all....
Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at the free-market Cato Institute, was the member of the Homeland Security's Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committee who asked Chertoff about data retention last month.
In an interview this week, Harper warned that mandatory data retention may cause more harm than good. "The true criminals will go and use random Wi-Fi nodes where you can get anonymous access," he said. "You haven't done anything but increase surveillance of law-abiding citizens."
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Oh, no they don't.
Might as well get on with it. It is inevitable that the politicians will give the 1984 solution a try.
The Internet, however is not without it's resources to combat the loss of privacy. PGP will grow like a weed. Encryption in general will become pervasive. It may be hard (but maybe not impossible) to hide where you go but you will be able to hide the transactions. And then, of course, they will try to outlaw encryption. Then we will all be criminals.
Honestly, there's part of me that doesn't mind, the government has a warrant, it has the right to see anything. OTOH, with the precedent set that the government doesn't need a warrant for practically anything, my answer is HELL NO!
"I am here from the Office of Pre-crime."
Why build a system like Carnivore when you can just order the ISPs to do it for you?
Back to the good old days of Al Gore I guess -- clipper chip, key escrow, loads of fun. I know I refused to vote for Gore for a reason, but now I'm wondering why since things I feared under him are coming true anyway.
And check out the thread Phone Taps Just Got Impossible where some FReepers are apparently mad at the hindered snooping ability of the government.
The solution to this is simple.
Set up a Virtual Private Network server in the Bahamas, attach it to a huge internet pipe, and sell a subscription service for access to the VPN service. All your internet traffic will be sent via the pipe to the Bahamas, encrypted, and it will appear, for all intents and purposes, that the internet traffic is originating in the Bahamas.
For most private usage purposes, this set up will work fine. High bandwidth requirements might be a problem, but I'm sure that problem can be solved with faster servers, compression, and more bandwidth.
(Okay, so this solution isn't that simple. The simplest solution would be to piggy back off your neighbor's wireless when you're doing something naughty.)
Gotta be illegal -
Nail American citizens but allow ILLEGALS to do as they please.
Most ISP's keep such records at least for some period of time.
It is fairly hard to keep anything one does on the net a secret if someone wants to know what you are doing.
and you can make a case for being safer under the socialistDems????
Exactly. That's "enlightened communism" and it's been going on for as long as I can remember.
you are your ip address that big computer in the sky...
Like that would ever happen.
I can hardly tell the difference anymore...
any legal eagles...how come the 5th ammendment no longer seems to work here?
What you said.
Oh come on, the Constitution is just so passe these days. As far as Bush's government is concerned, they can have ANY info on you that is being kept by a third party without even bothering with a warrant.
It's worth checking out Tor which allows for anonymous browsing.
Why should I have to be sneaky to have some privacy. Even if I'm just watching TV I don't want someone peering in my windows to make sure the movie is PG.
Indeed it is. You make my point. The more talk there is about Government snooping on Internet Users the more you will see an acceleration in the development of applications like Tor.
Let the games begin.
It's just a hidden tax on ISPs and will be passed along to customers. Who get to pay for this monitoring, overhead, and storage. You and me, that's who.
"and you can make a case for being safer under the socialistDems????"
Safe? I don't want to be safe. I want to be free.
Don't forget to hack the ethernet MAC address on your card. Otherwise the particular computer used in the "transaction" will be traceable. For tips on this, Google is sometimes your friend.
America is all about freedom.
libertarian ping wow that jorge agusto sure is reigning in the fed gov huh ?Thank god a majority of the people pulled the republican lever last election
you got me - how can you be free if not safe?
and how are you going to be free under a socialist/communist/liberal run govt?
How is this preferable to a republican gov't - even if it has warts?
Your reasoning escapes me......
Mywish would be this: I could track spammers and pop-up writers and send them a message that would make their monitors explode and the computers shut down forever.
i think you are right about this.
i'm not an info management wiz, but it seems that if the government starts to require the isp's to keep track of the content (in addition to the address) of sites that everybody visits, that the whole thing would come crashing down, since it would require infinite capacity to store everything.
Only people who need to encript will bother to deal with the hassels of encriptation. Encription is big flag that says to NSA's computers, "Look at me!" NSA can crack your 128 bit PGP in a matter of minutes.
That certainly works, but the VPN solution is elegant because it translocates your apparent point of origin to a network in the Bahamas. It can also be configured to funnel 100% of your internet traffic via the encrypted pipe so that somebody would have to be snooping the VPN gateway in the Bahamas in order to intercept your traffic, which would be outside of Federal jurisdiction.
100% of internet traffic includes file sharing/swapping services, chat programs, telnet, IRC, etc; and not just the web. Some VPN clients will even allow you to define exceptions to the rule so that legitimate network use can be broadcast normally over your network, or out to the internet unencrypted.
Quite literally VPN is the coolest privacy tool I've found. Although, I don't see why encrypted connections aren't used for everything already. Even just a simple compression algorithm would be enough to protect most data from casual snoopers.
Communist North Korea
Gee! What a great club to join. I mean, if it is good enough for North Korea and Iran, it must be good enough for America.
It's getting to be like there's no special status for being a Citizen. Maybe in the eyes of politicians we're all Illegals now. It's what you can do for the politician, not who you think you are and what intrinsic rights you've been deluded to presume you have.
Damn, did I move to China? I thought this was America, guess I was wrong.
Who would be left to bust their @sses, only to have an increasingly-large percentage of their income and net worth confiscated to equip these people and pay their salaries?
Oops! Never mind. Most people apparently think paying taxes is a privilege. The more, the better.
the details in this article are downright insane, especially Chertoff's comments.
can you imagine the size of the sniffers and the disk arrays needed if every web page every person visited was logged for up to two years, as well as every email?
and how do they filter out the spam porn mail that we all get as being an "illegitimate" part of the traffic that flows to us? or is everyone who get porn spam a sex offender now?
the administration is going too far here - this is what I can't stand, they take a legitimate program like the overseas phone taps, which most americans support, and then they try and parlay it into this monster.
government is comprised of mostly dummy beauracrats - look at chertoff's comments in the article. they just issue mandates - "store everything that flows over the internet for 2 years" - and expect industry to just magically do it. in the meantime, the FBI can't get email to work for its agents.
if this ever passed - buy stock in disk array makers.
Current law states that any records that are over six months old require only a warrent to see. Records less than six months old require a subpeona.
That's why Google's policy of making it difficult to delete your Gmails is so pernicious.
OK then people will go to 256 bits or 1024 bits. Even NSA has it's limits in terms of capability and resources. The fact of the matter is that most people don't use things like PGP because there is no real need. But once the Government decides they want to read your e-mail, check out the web sites you are visiting then the apps will be written to make hiding yourself easy and common. Just a natural reaction. It doesn't have to be that way but that's the way it will probably go. Time will tell.