It's impossible to civilize these people.
Posted on 04/14/2006 4:47:05 PM PDT by wagglebee
AYHAN SURUCU was so angry when his sister started to wear make-up and date German men that he put a gun to her head at a bus stop and killed her.
The 18-year-old Turk fired three bullets into her brain and calmly walked away.
Boys at a nearby school, attended mainly by the children of immigrant Muslim families, cheered and applauded when news of the murder reached them.
The so-called “honour killing” of Hatun Surucu, 23, last year shocked Germany and sparked intense debate about a conservative Muslim immigrant community at odds with a secular society.
That anger was rekindled yesterday when Surucu, a minor when the murder took place, was sentenced to nine years and three months by a Berlin court, considered lenient by many Germans.
His brothers, Alpaslan, 25, and Mutlu, 26, were acquitted because of lack of evidence, at which friends and family in the courtroom cheered. The prosecution had sought life sentences for their part in the murder of their sister.
Passing judgment, Michael Degrif said: “It is inconceivable that someone can be killed for living a Western lifestyle.”
Although she was brought up in Germany, Hatun was forced into a marriage with her Turkish cousin in east Anatolia. The marriage broke up and she returned to Berlin with her five-year-old child to live the life of a young German woman: going to discos, renting a small apartment, taking lovers and starting an apprenticeship as an electrician. She abandoned the traditional headscarf and wore fashionable jeans. Her three brothers were upset, as was her father.
The state prosecutor had demanded that all three brothers be convicted. Ayhan, the youngest, had confessed to pulling the trigger but according to the prosecutor the two others had stood guard and obtained the murder weapon. They denied any involvement.
The evidence of a crown witness, a Turkish girl who wore a bullet-proof vest when she stood in the witness stand, was deemed yesterday to be too flimsy for a conviction. Only Ayhan, 19, was jailed after admitting that he wanted to “wipe the stain from our family”.
There are 40 “honour killings” a year in Germany and most of them result from the failure of an arranged marriage, which are illegal in the country.
Commiting the crimes Germans won't commit.
And in American brothers would take a bullet to defend their sisters.
"And in American brothers would take a bullet to defend their sisters."
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Yup, even if they became Muslims.
"Boys at a nearby school, attended mainly by the children of immigrant Muslim families, cheered and applauded when news of the murder reached them."
As I understand it these are Turkish "guest workers" who have never assimilated. Legal immigration with a path to citizenship as the people adopt local values is the better alternative, IMO. Guesst works and illegals dont have the same reasons to fit in.
If anyone can make the Nazis look moderate, its the Islamists.
Cheered at their own sister's murder trial. Religion of piece.
More "peace" from the Religion of Peace.
Oh, wait. I forgot. That's religion of PIECEs.
...the Religion of Peace
What the heck is to debate? Makes me wonder just who is culpable in this young womans death. It seems to me light sentences and appeasment are equal in guilt.
Wake up Michael! They arent there to live a western lifestyle. They are there to take over
They were doing these honor killings thousands of years ago.
The Germans should adjust their laws so that all the family members of any family involved in an honor killing are sent back to Turkey. They should also adjust their laws on capital punishment to provide that the perpetrator is to be drawn, quartered and executed (in that order).
Spain, Germany and other European countries seem to be following that path?
Not that I favor illegal immigration - I don't. But, I would rather have 12 million Mexican immigrants than 1 million Muslim immigrants.
I am continually amazed at how the liberals and MSM supports this barbaric "religion."
Radical Islamic culture is toxic. Calling it Islamic Fascism is an act of charity. It is nihihlism.
Incidentally, the Koran does not sanction Honor Killings. But Muslims don't care because they love death and killing so much.
Of course, in those days, Sicilian honor killings were usually more newsworthy.
This is little to do with religion.
However, I did notice that the German court granted little weight to the testimony of a woman ~ and that's what's frightening ~ Sharia Law does that.
The Germans are getting off the dime too slow this time.
Actually, I'd much rather have 12 million Seveners than even 50 Mexicans.
BLOODY SAVAGES!
Some folks are not fit for civilization and will never fit in.
I dont think this is anything compared to what America will face in the next 5 yrs or less
imo
Ship them all back where they came from so they can kill each other in their homeland. Take note--these are the animals that American Leftists feel sorry for, incredible as well as scary!
I recommend "Burned Alive", Author: Souad.
Some folks are not fit for civilization and will never fit in. I dont think this is anything compared to what America will face in the next 5 yrs or less imo
And as despicable as this murder is, it just keeps getting worse. She leaves behind a young son. Who will be his custodian now? Will he be taught to hate, rescued by relatives who program him to murder or cheer at murder? Will he be one of the young boys at a school such as that, cheering at the news of the next murder of another woman? I, too, think it is working it's way here quickly.
I am sure the boy will grow up to thank his uncles for killing his mother because of her lifestyle. That's sick, but that's Islam.
I am sure the boy will grow up to thank his uncles for killing his mother because of her lifestyle. That's sick, but that's Islam.
You missed it
You totally missed it!
The Priests of liberal doctrine are saying this guy is a Right Wing Neanderthal.
When they wrote; Passing Judgement
They are saying this guy thinks he is better than the Muslims and he thinks the Muslims are not as good as the secular Germans.
"Turkish guest workers in Germany aren't SUPPOSED to assimilate. They are supposed to work there for a few years, and then go home to Turkey. The Germans don't intend to be replaced by their guest workers."
I get their point but it doesn't seem to be working very well... I have serious concerns about such a program in this country.
I guess I missed that
It is sick and it is Islam and the uncles are probably thanking Allah right now that they have a chance to see to saving and raising the boy. With a front like that, how can anyone convince them of any other way to live, to treat women and each other? Those who try sometimes meet her fate, and that's enough to deter some from even trying...
"They don't assimilate in any case. "
I've had to revise my opinion in recent years. Going to a college with a decent sized muslim population in the 80's I saw no conflict - these were either people who left iran because they hated the Shah or because they hated Khomeini or they were upper class from another Moslum nation.
But lately there seem very few Muslims speaking out for freedom, or speaking out strongly against terrorism. I have been forced to concede they have not adopted American values like I thought.
<< Disgusting barbarians. >>
"Radical islam" is The Beast.
"Moderate islam" is its Trojan Horse.
And neither is compatible with Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization.
Next?
"Islam one perverted dangerous cult!"
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Why, how can you say that, TexasCajun. Haven't we been assured time after time that Islam is a loving religion?
Hmmmmm ~ Sounds like a Sicilian honor killing. You sure the guy was from the Middle East?
You wouldn't believe how fast those folks get contacted to not overstay their visas after they get laid off in an economic recession.
At the same time we've left the Southern border open for the free passage of the world's most uneducated, or dangerous people.
That's a combination that will lead to the destruction of this country.
"Interestingly enough, the world's intellectual and technical class has been reduced to temporary "guest worker" status with the H1B program.
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At the same time we've left the Southern border open for the free passage of the world's most uneducated, or dangerous people."
An excellent, if very sad point.
It's impossible to civilize these people.
The future of Europe as known by caucasians is limited. Twenty years from now, caucasians will be living under Sharia law and murder of one's sister will be common and accepted. Hopefully, the insanity doesn't make it across to the UK but stops in France-ia.
How do you say...No Justice - No Peace...in Turkish?
There IS no honor in Islam....only the worship of death.
Unforgivable.
Religion of Peace?
AYHAN SURUCU was so angry when his sister started to wear make-up and date German men that he put a gun to her head at a bus stop and killed her.
When I thought of a "religion of peace" I would think of Buddhists or Reiki. Never thought of Islam.
When I thought of a "religion of peace" I would think of Buddhists or Reiki. Never thought of Islam.
Honestly, I think they're scared.
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