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Fitting the Crime (Buckley on executing Moussaoui)
National Review Online ^ | April 13, 2006 | William F. Buckley, Jr.

Posted on 04/14/2006 5:36:32 PM PDT by EveningStar

...Why is it so important to the prosecution to go to such lengths to prove that Moussaoui deserves to be executed? Damage is done by this undertaking, because if the government fails, then the aroma of the trial will waft toward an ambiguity concerning the entire business. If Moussaoui "prevails" in the Virginia trial — if execution is not ordered by the jury — loose-minded analysts will arrive at the conclusion that he was finally not guilty of atrocious deeds, although he has admitted that he'd happily have been a member of the suicide team if he hadn't been detained by the FBI.

And then adding to the confusion, the public is slowly alerted to the generic question of capital punishment. The practice survives in many states, as also in the federal system. But a long, hideously detailed trial designed to do just one thing — to raise the sentence from a lifetime in prison to capital punishment — has the effect of elevating the one remedy to a distinctiveness which believers in capital punishment reject. If the public holds that execution is appropriate for a murderer, then the public should be spared a judicial flight plan that makes it all sound as though execution depended on the number of screams recorded from people killed by the hijackers. To put this trial in Virginia on a level with Nuremberg-style offensiveness risks mitigating the horror in which Moussaoui was involved...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: buckley; capitalpunishment; flight93; jihadinamerica; moussaoui; scum; terrortrials; waronterror; williamfbuckley; zacariasmoussaoui
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1 posted on 04/14/2006 5:36:34 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

how long would mouss last in prison?


2 posted on 04/14/2006 5:40:05 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Jesus' mission declared "complete failure" by religious experts.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
how long would mouss last in prison?

More than likely a very long time because the Muslim Brotherhood would protect him night and day.

3 posted on 04/14/2006 5:42:45 PM PDT by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

He would probably turn into a Muslim ring leader.


4 posted on 04/14/2006 5:42:49 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: EveningStar

It would be tempting to vote not to execute him on grounds that he is an Al Qaeda wannabe, not a real terrorist, and suffers from a mental illness, Islam.


5 posted on 04/14/2006 5:45:12 PM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills)
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To: EveningStar
Slightly off topic here, but I think this guy should get life in a bad prison with no possibility of ever getting out. I support the death penalty with all of my being, but I think full life in prison for this animal would be the worst punishment for this animal.
6 posted on 04/14/2006 5:46:02 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Howlin; onyx; Clemenza; Petronski; GummyIII; SevenofNine; martin_fierro; veronica; EggsAckley; ...

misc ping


7 posted on 04/14/2006 5:46:39 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Sure hope the death penalty is avoided- that is exactly what this turd mouss wants. I say a sentence of solitary confinement for life with nothing but bacon renderings, bread and water for nourishment is appropriate. He can have a copy of his precious quran...how about a Chinese translated version?


8 posted on 04/14/2006 5:53:14 PM PDT by Kolb
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To: EveningStar

After his outbursts on the stand the other day, I would say his death warrant is all but guaranteed. He goes on record saying that he smiled when the WTC towers were destroyed and how he sees it as his duty to kill as many Americans as possible pretty much assures his date with the KCl needle.


9 posted on 04/14/2006 5:53:45 PM PDT by stm (You can fix a lot of things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: KoRn

He dreams of being a martyr. I'd love to hear the judge dismiss him as a small bug and sentence him to life in prison.


10 posted on 04/14/2006 5:54:40 PM PDT by Krankor (T)
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To: omega4412

"It would be tempting to vote not to execute him on grounds that he is an Al Qaeda wannabe, not a real terrorist, and suffers from a mental illness, Islam."

YES! Proclaim Islam to be a mental illness! (It IS, you know!)


11 posted on 04/14/2006 5:57:42 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental illness!)
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To: satchmodog9

"He would probably turn into a Muslim ring leader."
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Exactly what I was saying to someone recently.


12 posted on 04/14/2006 5:57:44 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: omega4412

"It would be tempting to vote not to execute him on grounds that he is an Al Qaeda wannabe, not a real terrorist, and suffers from a mental illness, Islam."

YES! Proclaim Islam to be a mental illness! (It IS, you know!)


13 posted on 04/14/2006 5:59:07 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental illness!)
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To: lawdude

Sorry for the double


14 posted on 04/14/2006 5:59:43 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental illness!)
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To: EveningStar
If Moussaoui "prevails" in the Virginia trial — if execution is not ordered by the jury — loose-minded analysts will arrive at the conclusion that he was finally not guilty of atrocious deeds . . .

Worse yet, any verdict less than death would, to some, make the attack on America somehow politically justified here as it already is in much of the Middle East and Europe (not to mention college campuses where Ward Churchill and a vast army of other leftists hold sway).

15 posted on 04/14/2006 6:00:21 PM PDT by JimSEA (America cannot have an exit strategy from the world.)
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To: EveningStar

Moussaoui is an animal who definitely deserves to die, but putting him to death is a bad idea because it makes him important: something he never was when he was free. This isn't Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Mohammed Atta, this is a two bit amateur who was not the 20th hijacker, and who so incompetent Al Qaeda did its best to keep him at arm's length. Don't make him a martyr, lock him up for life in solitary and forget about him.


16 posted on 04/14/2006 6:05:28 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Pontiac

I've heard our Black Muslims don't like these muslims.


17 posted on 04/14/2006 6:24:32 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Pontiac
More than likely a very long time because the Muslim Brotherhood would protect him night and day.

We may not like the Muslim Brotherhood, but when was the last time a member of the Nation of Islam blew himself up? They don't like terrorism because terrorism is bad for business.

18 posted on 04/14/2006 6:26:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: EveningStar
Executing this guy will only turn him into a martyr.

And the problem with that would be ....?

19 posted on 04/14/2006 6:26:54 PM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want amnesty, muchacho!")
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To: Alter Kaker
Moussaoui is an animal who definitely deserves to die, but putting him to death is a bad idea because it makes him important: something he never was when he was free. This isn't Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Mohammed Atta, this is a two bit amateur who was not the 20th hijacker, and who so incompetent Al Qaeda did its best to keep him at arm's length. Don't make him a martyr, lock him up for life in solitary and forget about him.

As much as I think this piece of crap deserves to die, I do agree with you. He wants to be a martyr. I say lock him up in a cell and pipe in audio versions of The Torah and The Talmud at full blast 24/7. It would be one of the worst things one could do to an Islamofascist piece of crap like him.

20 posted on 04/14/2006 6:26:55 PM PDT by Kellykoop
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To: manwiththehands
And the problem with that would be ....?

The guy's utterly inconsequential. Killing him for 9/11 makes him seem more important than he is. He may be evil, but he's incompetent, stupid and a total minor hack who got himself fired from Al Qaeda because he couldn't make it as a terrorist.

21 posted on 04/14/2006 6:33:14 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Kellykoop
He wants to be a martyr. I say lock him up in a cell and pipe in audio versions of The Torah and The Talmud at full blast 24/7.

How about forcing him to listen to a loop of the best of Barbra Streisand for the next sixty years? Not only is she marginally Jewish, but her music is banned as a form of torture by sixteen international war crimes conventions.

22 posted on 04/14/2006 6:35:07 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Kellykoop
As much as I think this piece of crap deserves to die, I do agree with you. He wants to be a martyr.

This is the exact line of thinking that these evil beings desire for us to fall into. Lack of conviction and failure to implement the ultimate punishment is perceived as societal weakness. Stand firm in support of our American justice system. For you see, this will be the first time that it simply does not matter what this evil being wants. He does not get to decide. We the people get to decide, and each one of us will have a hand in his execution. Our laws have already established death as a punishment for these crimes. And so it should be.

23 posted on 04/14/2006 6:44:23 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Alter Kaker; manwiththehands

<< He may be evil, but he's incompetent, stupid and a total minor hack who got himself fired from Al Qaeda because he couldn't make it as a terrorist. >>

Sounds just like another common-garden Al Gore or a John Kerry.

And judicially killing this particular dangerous dullard will but inflate his ego and give his as-evil ilk another rallying point.

Let him rot and die in prison.


24 posted on 04/14/2006 6:48:20 PM PDT by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Alter Kaker

I disagree with those who say executing Moussaoui will make him a martyr. He'll be bigger inspiration to al Qaida terrorists if he's a living symbol of resistance in prison. Terrorists can take hostages and demand that Moussaoui be released from prison.


25 posted on 04/14/2006 6:53:14 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Brian Allen
Sounds just like another common-garden Al Gore or a John Kerry. And judicially killing this particular dangerous dullard will but inflate his ego and give his as-evil ilk another rallying point.

Actually, I think if the US wanted to really hurt Al Qaeda, they'd release Moussaoui, because he's just that incompetent he'll probably detonate a dirty bomb in downtown Mecca by mistake.

26 posted on 04/14/2006 6:56:58 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: the invisib1e hand

No, don't leave him alive as a potentially exchangable hostage.


27 posted on 04/14/2006 7:09:01 PM PDT by bordergal
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To: stm

Wouldn't it be a nice touch for his guards on death row (assuming he gets the death penalty) to whisper into his cell that they're going to fix it so his body will be defiled with pork?


28 posted on 04/14/2006 7:15:01 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: EveningStar

You know who I want to see go!!! That Richard Reid Shoe Bomber Guy!

Do you know how many hours normal, law abiding citizens spend each day removing their shoes and trying to get them back on while they run to catch an airplane?

Do you have any idea how many flights have been missed - the cost to society - the trouble this has caused....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

That man - I would flip the switch myself!

/soapbox


29 posted on 04/14/2006 7:17:08 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet its hard to pronounce.)
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To: Pontiac

An earlier article stated that he would be kept in a maximum security Federal prison in a segregated cell. For his own safety, he would have no interaction with other prisoners. I take that to mean he would spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement.


30 posted on 04/14/2006 7:17:43 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Alter Kaker
Moussaoui doesn't want to die - he's a total chickensh!t like all of these "mighty Muslim warriors." And I don't buy this crap about al Qaeda not wanting to have anything to do with him - that's just more of their misinformation and psyops.

What Moussaoui wants is to live a very long time so he can spend the rest of his days being a pain in the ass and making a mockery of our criminal justice system (that is not hard to do anyway). But he does want the death penalty imposed, for now.

All of his antics in the court room now are designed to make sure he does get the death penalty, to lay the groundwork for all of his future appeals, and to generate sympathy among the ANSWER crowd, the Hollywood left, the Ward Churchill academe and the far left judges that thoroughly infest the federal courts at the appellate level.

A death sentence actually works very well for him now. First, it'll make sure he'll be placed in solitary confinement on death row, protected from other inmates. Second, it mobilizes the moonbat brigades into marching in the streets with their "Free Mumia AND Moussaoui" signs and gets the media to fawn over them while they hang out with Susan Sarandon and Mike Farrell. And last, he and al Qaeda know that even under the best circumstances it'll take years and years for the feds to actually get around to strapping him to the gurney. That's years and years for armies of Ramsey Clark-type attorneys, heavily funded by the likes of Iran, Saudi Arabia and George Soros, to clog up the system with endless appeals and eventually find the right leftist judge who will toss the entire conviction and set Moussaoui free.

And that will be the public relations coup that al Qaeda really wants. And it goes without saying that the media will be ecstatic. They can point to this and gloat, "He sat there and bragged about helping to kill all those people on 9/11, and the Americans still couldn't put him to death, or even jail him!"

31 posted on 04/14/2006 7:21:50 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: WorkingClassFilth
....or just insuate that all his food has been cooked in bacon grease. He will go on a hunger strike and die a slow painful death.
32 posted on 04/14/2006 7:23:44 PM PDT by stm (Our country and world are at a crossroads. Taking the wrong path is not an option.)
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To: Dashing Dasher

Wear slip-on shoes to the airport. ~:D


33 posted on 04/14/2006 7:31:19 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Alter Kaker

<< .... if the US wanted to really hurt Al Qaeda, they'd release Moussaoui, because he's just that incompetent he'll probably detonate a dirty bomb in downtown Mecca by mistake. >>

Given its handling during the past 27 post-Jimmy "Teheran" Cartah years, of every one of the terroristic monsters who've committed acts of war against us and/or have quite clearly been the agents of our enemies, as has Maossaoui, our feral bureaucrats have surely much to answer for.

Neither Massaoui nor any other of them should have ever made it into an American criminal court. Military Tribunal and Military sentence was always the way to go -- and still is.


34 posted on 04/14/2006 7:33:24 PM PDT by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: EveningStar

Yo Bill...enjoy your retirement.


35 posted on 04/14/2006 7:34:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Alter Kaker

Add some gospel music to that. I think its a fine idea. I am sure somebody would stop it from happening though.


36 posted on 04/14/2006 7:41:21 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: EveningStar

I hate LOGIC!!!

HATE HATE HATE it!


37 posted on 04/14/2006 7:43:13 PM PDT by Dashing Dasher (I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet its hard to pronounce.)
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To: Dashing Dasher

I'm not logical, just lazy. :)


38 posted on 04/14/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: ops33
Yes, he'd be headed to a SuperMax. Personally, I want to hang him in the air like a pinata and let the WTC and Pentagon families at him with baseball bats. Either that or shove his head under a piledriver.
39 posted on 04/14/2006 7:48:37 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: GAB-1955
Three of the 9/11 hijackers used to attend the movie theater where I worked as a cashier. They liked Bollywood movies. They were assholes, too. It must be in the profile for jihadi... be an asshole.
40 posted on 04/14/2006 7:50:37 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the Kingdom of Heaven....)
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To: EveningStar


Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 04/14/2006 8:04:17 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Well...and this may make me sound like I'm flip-flopping...when it all comes down to it, yes, of course I want this scum to get the death penalty....if anyone deserves to die, Moussaoui does. (and I think it's a shame that his death has to be "humane" because he and his terrorist pals weren't humane to the thousands they murdered on 9/11) While I honesly do think he would suffer more if my suggestion were followed, I know that type of scenario would never happen with crackpots like the ACLU to protect him if he got life in prison.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I want him to SUFFER!!

42 posted on 04/14/2006 8:39:12 PM PDT by Kellykoop
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To: KoRn

And look how life in prison was for Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman. He remained a figure head and interactive inspiration for 9/11.


43 posted on 04/14/2006 8:44:38 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Kolb

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1615338/posts?page=43#43


44 posted on 04/14/2006 8:45:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Krankor

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1615338/posts?page=43#43


45 posted on 04/14/2006 8:45:45 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alter Kaker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1615338/posts?page=43#43


46 posted on 04/14/2006 8:47:15 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: plain talk

That is ok. The Arab Muslims don't like the black Muslims.

So it all works out.


47 posted on 04/14/2006 8:48:46 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Alter Kaker

>>>We may not like the Muslim Brotherhood, but when was the last time a member of the Nation of Islam blew himself up?

When was the last time an Arab Sheik blew himself up?


48 posted on 04/14/2006 8:49:52 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Kellykoop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1615338/posts?page=43#43


49 posted on 04/14/2006 8:50:40 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Brian Allen

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1615338/posts?page=43#43


50 posted on 04/14/2006 8:52:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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