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Carter UFO guru puts faith in crop circles
Worldnetdaily ^ | April 14, 2006 | unknown

Posted on 04/15/2006 4:34:38 AM PDT by ovrtaxt


WND


ALIEN NATION

Carter UFO guru puts
faith in crop circles

Seeks to end Earth's quarantine by more

spiritually evolved 'Off-Planet Cultures'


Posted: April 14, 2006
8:55 p.m. Eastern


© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Alfred Webre

President Jimmy Carter's former UFO guru, Alfred Webre, is still promoting the quest for extraterrestrials – now suggesting it is a matter of spiritual life and death for humanity.

In his new book, "Exopolitics – Politics, Government and Law in the Universe," he concludes that Earth has been "under quarantine" too long from more spiritually evolved "Off-Planet Cultures" – or OPCs, as they are known in ET circles.

Webre has also devised a new SDI plan – but it has little to do with the Strategic Defense Initiative invented by Carter's successor in the White House. This SDI is the "Star Dreams Initiative."

Webre believes that humanity can help leave a legacy of peace and hope to future generations by taking specific steps to end the self-imposed embargo of the planet.

Webre's views have received the support of prominent individuals besides the former president and peanut farmer from Georgia. Paul Hellyer, former defense minister of Canada, is one fan. Another is Bryan O'Leary, former NASA astronaut.

"Much of this book rings true," writes O'Leary. "Certainly, our civilization cannot go on as we have. We will need all the help we can get to lift ourselves out of tyranny, genocide, and ecocide. So why not reach out toward those who are clearly more wise?"

Webre, who has given exopolitics presentations around the world, will give his next May 6 in British Columbia following the debut of a new version of "Star Dreams," a Robert Nichol's feature film about crop circles.

The controversial documentary explains that there have been almost 11,000 recorded crop circles worldwide since 1980, many of them baffling prominent scientists.

Webre's SDI program was prepared through his work as futurist at Stanford Research Institute and as a result of Carter's interest in the subject after he saw a UFO in 1969.

"The goal of the 1977 project was to fill the knowledge gap on this subject but was terminated because of the political climate at the time," explains Webre.

Webre also says that Robert Nichol's film on crop circles will help prepare people's mindset for what he will be revealing after the film during his presentation.

Nichol's updated documentary includes new interviews with researchers such as an investigative reporter, a Native American artist, and a former NASA consultant. The featured "investigative reporter" is Emmy Award-winning TV producer Linda Moulton Howe. She explains that some crop circles in the U.S. have been worth studying because they show biochemical and biophysical changes that cannot be made by hoaxers using boards and strings.

During his film interview, Native American artist Rod Bearcloud focuses on the spiritual meaning of crop circles. He believes that they are sent to us by the "Star Nation people," known in our western culture as extraterrestrials.

In the film, Richard Hoagland, a frequent guest on the late-night talk-show circuit, claims evidence of an ancient civilization on planet Mars has been concealed by NASA. Hoagland was a former consultant to NASA and a science advisor to Walter Cronkite of CBS News during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon.

Nichol concludes only a minority of crop circles are hoaxed. He explains that skeptics often ignore the more complex formations with anomalies that defy our current scientific understanding.


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To: TASMANIANRED

I agree. Some are very beautiful.

Though when I contemplate putting some on a stoneware platter . . . I feel a certain hesitation that's hard to describe.


101 posted on 04/15/2006 8:00:54 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: cgbg

Not sure what your point is about ignorance. It's deliberate.

Certainly the puppet masters keep us in ignorance for their own ends.

Some say the ET's insist on it. Some say the ET's chafe about it and will reveal themselves to the world at large in their time.

I figure they are mostly--most of them--are in cahoots with satan setting up the global government. And, that in due course, they will either take on the role of saviors of us from ourselves or--conquers scaring us into the global government--or some races one role and others the other role. Both to coerce folks into the global government for easier tyrannical control.


102 posted on 04/15/2006 8:03:00 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Dustbunny

Haven't reviewed a great many sites. All the better ones I have checked out do trace the history. Some have pics from Middle ages' artworks showing such.


103 posted on 04/15/2006 8:05:42 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

I'd say taking millions of abductees and unknown numbers of mutilated body parts excised with the person conscious without anesthetic . . .

would be a great deal more violating of such a directive--as well as the treaty they signed during Ike's years--which we later found out they were violating wholesale.

I personally think any noise about a prime directive is largely hogwash or limited to a minority of the ET races. Plenty of them seem quite comfortable being quite terrible to millions of humans. I forget the likely statistics but something over 3 million people are likely to have been abducted according to I think a Harris pole surveying for key factors historically and reliably associated with such--even with people who have no memory of such.


104 posted on 04/15/2006 8:09:04 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: ovrtaxt

Will check out your manifesto. Is it on your FR home page?

I agree that

1. they are eager to neuter Christ's deity, miracles etc.

2. that at least a major portion are demons in bioengineered bodies or in cahoots with demons--probably 99.9% of the races.

3. I do not really believe that ALL UFO CRAFT are materialized demons themselves--the craft--though it is plausible that some may be. I have no guess at those percentages. I think most craft are more or less nuts and bolts--well--seamless constructions which may somehow be 'grown' or poured or some such.

4. I do believe that there are other races of intelligent critters awaiting AS ALL CREATION WAITS--FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD--walking in concert with Jesus Christ, conformed to His image; trained and ready to rule and reign with him setting all Creation to rights in justice and love. I assume that such other races are virtually all or totally all as polluted with sin as we are given that it appears Biblically that all Creation was so polluted with Adam's fall--at least all Creation in this time/space dimension known as our multiverse.

But a lot of such is held loosely until God confirms it one way or another . . . perhaps as future events unfold.


105 posted on 04/15/2006 8:15:56 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; All
There simply is no objective proof. Period.

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Not so, Bunny:

The following excerpts are from Chapter 8 (WHAT SCIENTISTS SAY) of MYSTERIOUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES by Linda Moulton Howe. pp 248-281. All Rights Reserved.

Linda is a first class researcher and journalist and has paid dearly for being so. She doesn't accept anything less than multiple verifiable sources before publishing such stuff.

The whole book is well worth reading. The following are just some representative excerpts about the scientifically proven distinctions between authentic crop circles vs others and vs non crop-circle crop areas and crops.

-------

"Biophysicist W. C. Levengood would agree with Frank Laumen that the energies which produce crop formations come from above. The formation that convinced him was Cherhill 1993, or at least the nearby field where Peter Sorensen dragged a magnet through a circle. The soil and wheat debris attracted to the magnet were covered with a thin coating of iron oxide. He already knew that microwave frequencies were involved because his laboratory tests with microwaves simulated the anomalies of enlarged cell wall pits, lengthened and reoriented growth nodes and expulsion cavities. All of these biophysical effects were caused by sudden and rapid heating of cytoplasmic constituents and water in the nodes and much more efficiently than soup is heated in a microwave oven."

"He also suspected plasmas of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons were the transport mechanisms for the microwaves and other complex electronic energies. Since the iron glaze was distributed like spray paint over the soil and plants, Levengood reasoned that the iron was in a liquid or semi-liquid state rotating inside a spinning plasma before it was deposited by centrifugal force in most cases."

"Many formations later, Levengood has demonstrated in his research reports that high concentrations of melted iron beads are often distributed in formation soils according to the laws of centrifugal force and the empiracl data have been shown to follow the centrifugal force theory with correlation coefficients > 0.9."

"Occasionally crop formation sare not spiraled. The crop is laid straight out radially like spokes in a bicycle wheel. In those formations, unusual concentrations of iron particles have been found in the center where energies apparently focused straight downward. An example is Marion, New York in 1997 discussed in Chapter 3."

"By the summer of 2000, Levengood had studied plants from at least three hundred formations in Israel, Australia, Canada, the United States, England and Holland. He found a repeateing pattern of biochemical and biophysical changes in formation plants and magnetic anomalies in soils . . . "

"He has described his research in scholarly papers published by the international plant physiology journal, Physiologica Plantarum, and the American Journal of Scientific Exploration. So far, no one has refuted his hypothesis that spinning plasma vortices containing microwaves, magnetic fields and electric fields produced by charge separation in plasma form the complex energy systems that create the crop formations. . . . "

"In a 1995 paper entitled 'Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with A Crop Formation' published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (Vol 9, No. 2, Pages 191-199), Levengood and his research colleague, John Burke wrote, 'Out of a four year investigation of plant tissues taken from over eighty crop formations, located within five countries, we report data from a single sample set which indicates a 'close encounter,' between the complex forces producing these flattened, circular type formations and meteoric material from the atmosphere."

"'Both soil chunks and plant tissue taken from specific regions within a 1993 wheat crop formation in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, exhibited a high degree of magnetic susceptibility which originated within adherent coatings consisting of the comingled iron oxides, hematite (Fe2O3) and magnetite (Fe3O4) fused into a heterogeneous mass, and having the properties of a 'magnetic glaze.' The makeup of this material appears to be of meteoric origin and apparently impacted the ground while in the semi-molten state. Presence of meteoric material adhering to both soil and plant tissues casts considerable doubt on this being an artificially prepared or 'hoaxed' formation."

------------ There's tons more scientific data in the chapter. But I'm a bit tired of typing.

I hope you can see that your assumptions about such have been flawed.

106 posted on 04/15/2006 9:12:43 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: ovrtaxt

I scanned a good portion of your home page on FR. I share a lot of similar views. I may have viewed half to 3/4th of it.


107 posted on 04/15/2006 9:14:55 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix
I've read one of John Mack's books. Abductions? I'm more inclined to go with physiological explanations and say the
pineal gland of claimants went in to overdrive for what ever reason(s), inducing false memories.

I don't believe I've read about human mutilations by ET abductors. But I'd attribute them as self-mutilation
while "sleep walking" under the influence of precious bodily glandular secretions.

108 posted on 04/15/2006 9:32:49 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Additional excerpts per above ref:

p 250

"The wheat leaf at Cherhill was not damaged by this molten iron deposit because of the Liendenfrost effect. Suddenly heated leaves can release steam through their stomata that creates a protective layer between the leaf and whatever warm substance touches them. In this case, it was the deposit of semi-molten meteoric iron particles."

. . .

p. 258: "'In fact,' Levengood added, 'in laboratory experimentation, we have successfully simulated the growth enhancement effects. John and I have found that when there is a drought, the plants grown from our experimental seeds don't wilt as much or as fast. The plants are resistent to drought. They can also last longer without light. The biochemistry of the plants has been changed to a much higher efficiency level.'"

p. 259
" . . . We have found through chemical tests at outside laboratories that our plants have much higher levels of antioxidants. . . . "

". . . When the pulsing electric energies hit the seeds, or the plasma itself interacts with the plants, free radicals are produced that are destructive. But the plants try to counter the free radicals by producing more antioxidants. To produce antioxidants in reaction to the tremendous pulse of free radicals during the crop formation creation goes way back to my studies of ion transport in stems of plants and the effect of electric fields on them. Those are my redox tests of plant cell metabolism. What we've found is new stuff. You can't go to text books to find this."

"Another interesting discovery we've made is that if seeds that have been hit by free radicals are planted right away, they are practically dead. But if we wait several months, the plants end up more vigorous."

. . .

"In a recent grass formation discovered in Madera, California on March 27, 2000, Levengood performed his redox tests of plant metabolism in grass from the center of a circle and grass sampled from the formation's edge."

"The redox test came out about what I expected," Levengood said. "The controls had the normal level of respiration and the other two from the formation were anomalous. After those tests, I put all the plants back in a tight box, completely dark, for a week. After eight days, I decided I didn't need them for any more work and opened the box to throw them out. I could not believe what I was looking at. The control plants were yellow and brown, dying as you would expect. But the formation plants were still green!"

There simply is no objective proof. Period.

-------

Not so, Bunny:

The following excerpts are from Chapter 8 (WHAT SCIENTISTS SAY) of MYSTERIOUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES by Linda Moulton Howe. pp 248-281. All Rights Reserved.

Linda is a first class researcher and journalist and has paid dearly for being so. She doesn't accept anything less than multiple verifiable sources before publishing such stuff.

The whole book is well worth reading. The following are just some representative excerpts about the scientifically proven distinctions between authentic crop circles vs others and vs non crop-circle crop areas and crops.

-------

"Biophysicist W. C. Levengood would agree with Frank Laumen that the energies which produce crop formations come from above. The formation that convinced him was Cherhill 1993, or at least the nearby field where Peter Sorensen dragged a magnet through a circle. The soil and wheat debris attracted to the magnet were covered with a thin coating of iron oxide. He already knew that microwave frequencies were involved because his laboratory tests with microwaves simulated the anomalies of enlarged cell wall pits, lengthened and reoriented growth nodes and expulsion cavities. All of these biophysical effects were caused by sudden and rapid heating of cytoplasmic constituents and water in the nodes and much more efficiently than soup is heated in a microwave oven."

"He also suspected plasmas of positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons were the transport mechanisms for the microwaves and other complex electronic energies. Since the iron glaze was distributed like spray paint over the soil and plants, Levengood reasoned that the iron was in a liquid or semi-liquid state rotating inside a spinning plasma before it was deposited by centrifugal force in most cases."

"Many formations later, Levengood has demonstrated in his research reports that high concentrations of melted iron beads are often distributed in formation soils according to the laws of centrifugal force and the empiracl data have been shown to follow the centrifugal force theory with correlation coefficients > 0.9."

"Occasionally crop formation sare not spiraled. The crop is laid straight out radially like spokes in a bicycle wheel. In those formations, unusual concentrations of iron particles have been found in the center where energies apparently focused straight downward. An example is Marion, New York in 1997 discussed in Chapter 3."

"By the summer of 2000, Levengood had studied plants from at least three hundred formations in Israel, Australia, Canada, the United States, England and Holland. He found a repeateing pattern of biochemical and biophysical changes in formation plants and magnetic anomalies in soils . . . "

"He has described his research in scholarly papers published by the international plant physiology journal, Physiologica Plantarum, and the American Journal of Scientific Exploration. So far, no one has refuted his hypothesis that spinning plasma vortices containing microwaves, magnetic fields and electric fields produced by charge separation in plasma form the complex energy systems that create the crop formations. . . . "

"In a 1995 paper entitled 'Semi-Molten Meteoric Iron Associated with A Crop Formation' published in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (Vol 9, No. 2, Pages 191-199), Levengood and his research colleague, John Burke wrote, 'Out of a four year investigation of plant tissues taken from over eighty crop formations, located within five countries, we report data from a single sample set which indicates a 'close encounter,' between the complex forces producing these flattened, circular type formations and meteoric material from the atmosphere."

"'Both soil chunks and plant tissue taken from specific regions within a 1993 wheat crop formation in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England, exhibited a high degree of magnetic susceptibility which originated within adherent coatings consisting of the comingled iron oxides, hematite (Fe2O3) and magnetite (Fe3O4) fused into a heterogeneous mass, and having the properties of a 'magnetic glaze.' The makeup of this material appears to be of meteoric origin and apparently impacted the ground while in the semi-molten state. Presence of meteoric material adhering to both soil and plant tissues casts considerable doubt on this being an artificially prepared or 'hoaxed' formation."

------------ There's tons more scientific data in the chapter. But I'm a bit tired of typing.

I hope you can see that your assumptions about such have been flawed.

109 posted on 04/15/2006 9:42:32 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

Stay tuned. Am trying to find some pics . . . your assumptions about human mutilations are exceedingly, extremely, galactically inadequate to explain what's happening either with animals or humans. And the same thing is happening with humans.

And, Linda's life was threatened by government officials for her linking even just the cattle mutilations with UFO's. They are hyper sensitive about the human mutilations.

But, stay tuned, if the pics still available, it will be clearly absolutely the furthest thing from what you postulate that you could imagine.

WARNING, THE PICS ARE GRUESOME.


110 posted on 04/15/2006 9:50:09 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

I don't believe I've read about human mutilations by ET abductors. But I'd attribute them as self-mutilation
while "sleep walking" under the influence of precious bodily glandular secretions.




PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, CALVIN, PLEASE TELL US HOW THE ABOVE COULD--POSSIBLY COULD--HAVE BEEN DONE by the individual(s) concerned as you postulated above.

There are better pics of this same case showing more vividly the removed eye; the removed half jaw; the removed/cored rectum etc.

In most cases there's not a single drop of blood left. Evidently this fellow had minute amounts left around some of the wounds.

I'm eager to read how you believe this fellow self-mutilated to this degree.

Am not going to try and post the pics hereon. They are just too gruesome.

You can find them at:

http://www.crowdedskies.com/human_mutilations.htm

Where the following text is excerpted from:

From 1960 onward, rumors began to be surface about findings of mutilated human corpses, these corpses followed the disturbing pattern and traits of the cattle mutilations that have spread across the world since the 1970's.

This matter, generally considered to be of very bad taste, surfaced again in 1988 when the Skywatch International open list published a short text purported to be based on a secret report relating the death of an Air Force Sgt (E-6) by the name Jonathan P. Louette, abducted at the White Sands missile test range in March of 1976.

Jonathan Louette who was serving at the White Sands Proving Ground in New Mexico, a vast remote base where the latest US technology is tested. There are many stories linking White Sands to alien contact and captured alien craft.

The Sergeant and a senior officer were detailed to travel several miles down the missile range in a military vehicle to find and recover any debris from spent missiles. At one point they left their vehicle to scout the desert. They separated in order to cover a wider area of the sand dunes more quickly. Suddenly the officer heard screams in the area of the dunes where the sergeant was searching. He ran towards the noise thinking that a rattlesnake had bitten the sergeant and as he reached the top of the dune, he saw a disc shaped craft hovering low above the ground. A long tentacle coming from the underside of the craft was wrapped around the sergeant. It dragged the screaming man into the craft and then shot away at great speed.

The officer returned to base in a state of shock. When he reported what had happened he was not believed and was arrested for murder. An immediate search of the area failed to find any sign of the sergeant. Three days later Sergeant Louette's mutilated body was found twenty miles down the range. The mutilations were clinical and precise and involved the removal of the genitals, the rectum and the eyes. Typically there was no blood on the body, but the cardiovascular organs had not collapsed. The officer was released without charge. Although the story was leaked out by people involved in the incident, the military refused to confirm or deny that such an incident had taken place.

Although many strange stories have come out of the Vietnam conflict, there can be none stranger than that reported at a UFO Conference in Las Vegas in 1989 by an ex United States Air Force man who was serving as a photographer in Vietnam in the late sixties. He was involved in a mission to investigate the mysterious crash of a B-52 bomber, and was air lifted by helicopter into the jungle where the plane had gone down. The first surprise was to find the plane intact, and no sign of a crash landing: it was if the plane had been air lifted and placed into position. Inside the cabin, though was a greater shock. The four-man crew were still strapped into their seats, but all had been mutilated with the typical clean-cut wounds that we see in the animal mutilations. After inspecting the plane and photographing both it and the occupants, the investigation team was ordered to burn the plane and the occupants.

As with animal mutilations the human mutilations appear to be happening globally. The best evidence to date has come from Brazil with some convincing if gruesome photographs of a human mutilation, which have been obtained from, police files. Although authorities the world over appear to be united in their desire to keep the whole thing covered up, not all are as sophisticated as the Americans and British, and fortunately for the whole field of research into UFO-related deaths and mutilations, these Brazilian pictures have found their way into the public domain. The mutilated body of a man was found near the Guarapiranga Reservoir in Brazil on 29th. September 1988 and as a matter of course photographs were taken of the corpse. A police technician, Sergio Rubens, later gave copies of these photographs to his cousin, Dr Goes Rubins, who he thought would be interested, in the way the corpse had been mutilated. Appreciating at least partly the significance of the pictures, Dr Rubens showed them to a friend, who he knew was interested in ufology. She immediately recognized the similarity of the wounds to those she has seen in animal mutilations.

When the police were approached for more information, the head of the investigation, Dr Cuenca, surprisingly opened his files: an incredible stroke of luck not just for the original investigators, but for all of us battling to get this subject into the open. Among the papers in the file was the original autopsy report, written by forensic pathologists who had no previous knowledge of mutilations. There were many striking observations.

1. Although the victim had been dead for forty-eight to seventy-two hours there was no sign of being eaten by animals or starting to rot, as would be expected.

2. There was no smell.

3. Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal.

4. The lips and flesh from the face had been cut away.

5. The eyes, ears and tongue had been removed.

6. Neat round holes, one to one and a half inches in diameter, had been made on the shoulders arms and head, stomach and anus and tissue and muscle had been extracted. The holes had not been made by bullets.

7. The major organs within the chest cavity had been removed, a perfect small hole having been made through which extensive digestive organs had been extracted.

8. The scrotum, but not the penis had been removed, and all pubic hair had disappeared.

9. The rectum had been cored out. Despite the devastating mutilations, there was no sign that the victim had been bound or had struggled in any way

When the photographs were first circulated they caused a great stir among serious UFO researchers. It will of course take more than a set of horrific photographs from Brazil to make the authorities open up about the extent to which human bodies are being discovered in a mutilated state, but for those of us who already know a great deal of what is going on, the photographs are an important confirmation. If only there were other people prepared to leak information on this subject, I suspect we would be in for a shock.


111 posted on 04/15/2006 10:00:23 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Fascinating . . . from precisely the moment I began to search DogPile.com for human mutilation pics and trying to post such here . . . my computer freezed--cursor--everything. Have been having spyware software search and clean fairly constantly. Dogpile infects horribly these days . . .

don't know if there's a connection or what but my computer tends to freeze for 15-45 seconds with maybe 5 seconds or so of usefulness. This is a longer useful period. Not sure why.

Hasn't been behaving this way for a long time.


112 posted on 04/15/2006 10:14:39 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

freezed = froze

I'm tired. I should go to bed! LOL.


113 posted on 04/15/2006 10:17:08 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Thankfully, computer is back to normal. Seemingly.


114 posted on 04/15/2006 10:24:47 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Thanks. Have heard of and seen on TV various pictures of them but never a mention of when they were first noticed or reported on.


115 posted on 04/16/2006 3:17:59 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: Quix

No, it's in post 99.


116 posted on 04/16/2006 5:58:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: ovrtaxt

If you're asking if I believe that one of satan's main goals is to pollute God's redemptive bloodline; human bloodline in mankind--yes, I agree.

I do think that's a huge part of what the hybrid breeding program is about.

I'm not sure quite what the purpose is other than sand in God's eyes but it may be that there's some potential for evil spiritual potency from doing such.


117 posted on 04/16/2006 7:41:28 AM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: ovrtaxt
Hey . . . this guy was a believer . . .
118 posted on 04/16/2006 8:09:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Quix

And I'm certain he's just sooo pleased that you're using the site to peddle moronic UFO theories.


119 posted on 04/16/2006 8:22:03 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist; ovrtaxt; Las Vegas Dave; All

Oh, Jim is a lot like Jesus in those regards. I think he's tolerant of a lot of things he doesn't prefer. Though DU is pretty high on his 'not tolerate' list--rather understandably.

But evidently us morons are in desperate need of your enlightened pedagogical expertise. Could you please point out rather specifically which of the scientific findings in which of the scientific journals mentioned in

Post #106

do you find moronic and why?


120 posted on 04/16/2006 12:34:04 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: RightWingAtheist
"The scientific method will not enable you to hold exact opinions on matters in which you lack sufficient data, but it can keep you from being certain of your opinions and make you aware of the value of your data, and to reserve your judgment until you have amplified your data." --Robert A. Heinlein

. . . something I'd have thought . . . that you were familiar with . . . though . . . to be fair . . . a number of us espouse things we don't live up to very well.

121 posted on 04/16/2006 12:41:36 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: BenLurkin; ovrtaxt; Las Vegas Dave
I doubt these excerpted scientific research findings will influence your thinking even slightly but I still think you deserve the opportunity to prove my hunch wrong.

They are also from chapter 8 in MYSTERIOUS LIGHTS AND CROP CIRCLES by Linda Moulton Howe. Copyright 2000 by L M HOWE; all rights reserved

Bold and color emphases by Quix.

pp 266-270:

a) Lengthened and reoriented growth nodes. These biophysical changes have also been simulated to a degree in normal cereal crops in laboratory exposure to various microwave frequencies for short durations of 5 to thirty seconds.

b) Expulsion cavities in growth nodes. These form on the penultimate, or lower, nodes, which are much less elastic than th apical, or higher, nodes.

c) Deformed stems. Rare 'somatic developmental abnormalities' which Levengood links to microwave impact on growing plant cells.

d) Lack of seed development. Formation seed heads on right [photo in book] compared to normal control heads on left. Likelihood that microwave frequencies altered developing seed embryos and stunted plant growth.

e) Enhanced seed development and accelerated growth. In some formations in which complex energies interact after seed development, plant growth is accelerated and next generation seeds also show accelerated growth. . . .

f) Enhanced vigor and resistence to light and water deprivation. Levengood's hypothesis is that avalanches of ion-electrons from a spinning plasma vortex provoke plants in certain stages of growth to produce larger amounts of antioxidants qhan normal. Antioxidants would help plants resist deterioration when stressed by lack of water or light.

. . .

Falling asleep. May put the rest of the summary up after my nap.

122 posted on 04/16/2006 1:08:51 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix
I guess I don't believe those particular reports, and the few pictures are of extremely poor quality. In other words,
they could be any given found dead body.

There's no proof that the reported conditions of the bodies were caused by something other than worldly.

123 posted on 04/16/2006 2:27:17 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ovrtaxt
For some interesting fun . . . who knows whether it's an elaborate hoax or for real . . . I don't know of any analysis of the standard scientific sort in terms of the common changes in the crop circle crop and soil. But I haven't read all the article.

A bit of an intermission from the book . . . from one of the links (and an embedded link there) above . . .

BINARY CROP CIRCLE DISC DECODED MESSAGE ARTICLE: http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/articles/alienface.html

Going back to our spiral of binary digits in the crop formation disc, we obtain an initial grouping of 01000010 01100101 01110111 01100001 01110010 and so on, spiralling out from the centre. (see diagram). We can translate these binary sequences into their decimal equivalent and thus look them up in the ASCII character set to see what letters they correspond to.

Doing this for the whole 'disc' we get the message "Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. (Damaged Word). There is GOOD out there.We OPpose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING (BELL SOUND)". This was originally decoded by an anonymous visitor to Linda Moulton-Howe's web site. Although I've yet to verify the entire binary sequence I got as far as the first couple of words and it did indeed read as above. I have no reason to assume the Linda's guest made a mistake, but I will continue decoding it when I have time (update - see below).

What does it all mean then?
I wouldn't really like to interpret the message itself as it could either be interpreted as some dire warning from extra-terrestrials or be intended as such by devious hoaxers. Indeed, the timing coinciding with 'malevolent aliens' in the recent "Signs" movie seems rather suspicious, especially if we're about to see a media campaign portraying aliens as negative entities.

Certainly using ASCII code to encode the message seems rather strange if coming from a genuine extra-terrestrial intelligence. This is not a universal 'sign of life' such as composites of prime numbers, the harmonic signature of hydrogen, PI or other irrational numbers etc etc. ASCII is purely the invention by a few computer scientists back in the 1960's. Of course, some true believers might use this to claim that the aliens have advanced sufficiently in their understanding of homo-sapien life that they feel comfortable communicating with us in our own language - but - ASCII is not a standard. What gives Western computer users the monopoly on communication with ET? Why not use Cryllic or Chinese encoding methods? Yes, I know the formation appeared in the UK so could justifiably use a UK encoding system, but ASCII is hardly universal!

Of course this discussion can go on and on. There are numerous points to support all kinds of perspectives on the origin of the formation. I remain of the opinion that it is hoaxed and indeed the physical construction on the ground is technically less impressive than the Chilbolton formations of last year. It's comprised of lines as opposed to individual pixels which would be easier to construct using GPS distances from the bordering frame.

124 posted on 04/16/2006 2:43:38 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

There are better pictures. Will try and find them. The wounds were of the usual (for cattle mutilations etc) evidently extremely fine, hot laser cauterization type.

I assure you, in the better pictures, the excised jaw portion, missing eye, etc. are all clearly seen as reported and are all the standard sorts of wounds for cattle mutilations.

I don't understand your bias so heavily against saying that there's something there when there isn't (a TYPE I ERROR) that you make yourself super extremely vulnerable to a TYPE II error--denying something is there, when there is.

Unless, of course, there's an extreme fear--conscious or un--of it upsetting your tidy world view overly much. I suppose that might be sufficient reason for such an extremely lopsided, heavy and narrow bias.


125 posted on 04/16/2006 2:50:44 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

BTW, This Navy yeoman's story is very interesting.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=1067&category=Environment


126 posted on 04/16/2006 3:07:18 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix
I'm not sure quite what the purpose is other than sand in God's eyes but it may be that there's some potential for evil spiritual potency from doing such.

During the antediluvian period, I believe the purpose was to corrupt all of humankind so as to disqualify the promised Messiah's claim to having sinless blood.

Whether it's still possible to hybridize people after the flood, I don't know. I do understand that we underwent some pretty dramatic biological changes, the radically shorter lifespans being an indicator, and that the earth itself is fundamentally different. (Remember, Noah had never seen a rainbow? Apparently there was no direct, undiffused light from the sun- perhaps an effect of the mist that watered the earth because there was also no rain?) I also believe that we don't even approach the full comprehension of what really happened during the flood. I think that the remaining large dinosaurs were wiped out because they were biologically unable to handle the atmospheric changes.

But you believe that this human interbreeding continues to this day. Why? Can you reference that so I can check it out? I would think that cultures such as voodoo in Haiti or primitive animists in Papua New Guinea would have achieved this, given their open and close contact with demonic powers. (I understand the Canaanites were after the flood, but I take that as a result of Noah's curse over Canaan after Ham dishonored Noah- therefore, continuing the physical pre-flood condition supernaturally.)

127 posted on 04/16/2006 3:08:09 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: ovrtaxt

King David killed Goliath--a product of such ancestry. It, sadly, didn't stop with the flood.

Most of the better UFO sites--such as ABOVE TOP SECRET have plenty of docs about the breeding aspects of abductions.

There are countless personal experiences of women being abducted, impregnated in horrid UFO sorts of settings with alien 'intrusions' etc. . . . or being impregnated with a fertilized egg evidently the egg from an ET and an unwilling sperm donor . . . and before the first trimester is over, the woman goes to bed pregnant--and wakes up after another abduction not pregnant.

Many report being shown their hybrid children at varying stages of development--all faster than normal total humans.

Search ATS and you should be able to come up with the common scenarios re such.


128 posted on 04/16/2006 5:06:37 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke; All

Here's an interesting link to a bunch of military sources emails at Linda's site:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=1056&category=Environment




Part 4: Military Voices Reply About Government Interaction with UFOs

© 2006 by Linda Moulton Howe

"Several UFOs appeared out of nowhere and apparently shot
our 'invisible-painted' plane down. The pilot was immediately killed.
It became apparent to the USAF that these things were watching the
guys at the secret installation in Bermuda." - Source: USAF Officer, 1950s


February 27, 2006 - On January 20-21, 2006, I posted at Earthfiles and broadcast on Coast to Coast AM radio an update with U. S. Navy physicist, Bruce Maccabee, about his discussions with a USAF geophysicist referred to as "Hawk." See two-part 012106 Earthfiles. I also reported more about former New Mexico State Representative Andrew Kissner's (Dona Ana County, Las Cruces) investigations of V-2 rocket research at White Sands Proving Ground in 1947 when aerial discs interfered with launches. See "Peculiar Phenomenon" Real X-Files series beginning with 121905 Earthfiles.

Since these several reports, I have received more than a hundred e-mails from people who have either firsthand military and/or intelligence backgrounds, or are relatives of people who have such backgrounds. Many have asked that their identity remain anonymous. I feel it is valuable to share some of the e-mails and hope other Earthfiles viewers and radio listeners will contact me with additional information that complements, or goes beyond, what I am posting in this series of Earthfiles military voices.



Continued from 020706Earthfiles:


Military Voices Respond to
Earthfiles and Radio Reports
15) "Antigravity Device" At WSMR in Early 1970s?

"I was stationed at White Sands Missile Range in 1972 to 1974 and worked on various projects, including the Viking Mars Lander, SkyLab and the Mirage project (declassified in the mid-1990s). I worked mostly at Building 1510.

"The range commander at the time (a civilian) was Gordon Dunaway. He is an amazing man, VERY intelligent, and he once told me that there were things he knew that kept him awake at night and he wished he had not known.


129 posted on 04/16/2006 5:17:08 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

Here's some excerpts from a good representative case of a bull's mutilation--the 31st cattle mutilation at this California ranch. It discusses some of the unique aspects of the excisions and residue there around. Worth reading at the link:

From:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=1038&category=Environment




31st Cattle Mutilation on Red Bluff, California Ranch


© 2006 by Linda Moulton Howe


"We've had a young calf dropped through trees
because he had his legs intertwined with tree branches." - Rancher Jean Barton

In Red Bluff, California, the Jean and Bill Barton ranch has suffered 31 cattle mutilations
over the past decade. A few miles north, a rancher in Anderson, California, had cattle mutilations in 1999 and 2004.


January 13, 2006 Red Bluff, California - For the past half century, unusual deaths that law enforcement call "animal mutilations" have been reported around the world. Both domestic animals and wild game have been affected, especially horses and cattle. Ranchers and law enforcement have long been puzzled because animals are found with the same pattern of hide and tissue removed ­ usually without blood ­ from the head, sexual organs, and vaginal/rectal area. There are no signs of struggle or tracks around the dead animals, not even the animal's own tracks. That peculiar fact provoked law enforcement long ago to wonder if the mutilators came in and out of pastures from the sky?
Many ranchers have also speculated that their mutilated animals have been cut with lasers because of the bloodless nature of the excisions. In fact, pathology exams over the years have confirmed in some mutilations that cuts were made with heat energy of some kind. But another puzzle is the lack of carbon residue at the heated cut lines. Earth life is carbon-based and normal laser surgery always leaves some black carbon on surgical excisions which can be seen under a microscope.

January 17, 1997, Barton Ranch - Pure Hemoglobin Particles On Mutilated Bull

Biophysicist W. C. Levengood in Grass Lake, Michigan, thinks a very complex set of energies are involved. He began studying soil and grass samples from mutilation sites. A similar pattern of respiration changes in plant cell mitochondria were repeatedly confirmed around animal mutilation sites, including grass collected near the rectum of a mutilated bull discovered in northern California on the Jean and Bill Barton Ranch in Red Bluff, on January 17, 1997, south of Redding.



Dead and mutilated 2,000 pound bull discovered January 17, 1997, by owners Jean and Bill Barton
on their winter ranch near Red Bluff, California. BLT Research, Inc. field investigator, Jean Bilodeaux, collected tissue,
grass and soil samples, including unusual hardened dark particles from bull's testicles and chest
near excision. Photograph on January 18 © 1997 by Jean Barton.


The Bartons were checking their cattle from horseback at their winter ranch when they found their 2,000-pound Black Angus bull dead and mutilated in a remote field strewn with volcanic rocks which can only be reached on foot or horseback.

Field investigator Jean Bilodeaux discovered an unusual substance on the bull's chest and testicles that was black and hard. Biophysicist Levengood confirmed the substance was pure bovine hemoglobin that could only be produced by complex laboratory centrifuge processes. He told me:

"To do this, you need to break down the cell membranes to the erythrocytes and leukocytes to remove the hemoglobin molecules. That requires a laboratory procedure with very precise biochemical steps. It's totally incomprehensible how the hemoglobin could be removed in the middle of the night out in the middle of a pasture and be separated from all the other cellular components and some of it sprayed on the dead animal."


130 posted on 04/16/2006 5:23:21 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: ovrtaxt

"Certainly, our civilization cannot go on as we have. We will need all the help we can get to lift ourselves out of tyranny, genocide, and ecocide. So why not reach out toward those who are clearly more wise?"

So we look to extraterrestrial aliens for wisdom?? Of course praying to GOD in the Name of JESUS isn't even considered. Doh!!"

Or maybe he is trying to get Democrats to become Republicans.


131 posted on 04/16/2006 5:28:11 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: ovrtaxt

Jimmy Carter had a UFO guru!

LMAOROTF!


132 posted on 04/16/2006 5:32:59 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Quix
You're back!?!

Glad to see you again!

133 posted on 04/16/2006 5:35:06 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Calvin Locke
Here's another narrative--I think of the NZ case . . . There's some artwork of the head injuries at the link.

WARNING, I'M posting graphic drawing of head injuries pic at the end of this text.

LINK TO Karen Lyster's site.

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Most of you who are interested in the UFO subject will have read about the many cases of Cattle Mutilations that have occurred in many parts of the world over the past 50 years. Most of the cases that I have studied have cantered around the mid-west of the United States, but this bizarre aspect of the UFO phenomena is by no means relegated to the US alone, I've read cases from through the world and other animals who have been targeted are horses; goats; sheep; foxes just to name a few (there has even been cases of mice!).

In this article I will not be discussing any animal mutilation case, what I do wish to share with you is a very disturbing case that has all the hallmarks of being a "Human Mutilation", in that the victim had all the same injuries we've come to associate with the cattle mutilation deaths.

Let me set the scene. Back in 1994 I was approached by a physician living here in New Zealand who wished to meet with me to get my opinion on something that had been disturbing him for some time now. He refused to tell me what the matter was about and kept insisting he needed to show me something. I have had my share of cranks over the years and I would have relegated this individual into that category if it weren't for something in his voice and manner that conveyed the honest conviction of his request. I asked him to meet me at my home but he preferred not to, and instead chose a little cafe in the centre of town as our meeting place.

He did give me his name, and at that particular time he had retired from the medical profession.

I arrived at the cafe at 12.30 and since he had told me to go to the back, that is where I headed for. Being lunchtime the cafe was nearly full, and as I walked past the tables to the rear I saw a man who was sitting alone, facing my direction, get up and move towards me. He obviously knew who I was as there was no hesitation in his eye contact with me, nor his stride towards me. He introduced himself and gestured for me to join him at his table. There were only two seats at the table - one facing the wall and the other one facing opposite which meant I would have had my back to the wall. I began to take the seat nearest to me which meant that I would have been facing the wall - he quickly gestured that he didn't want me sitting there and asked me to change seats. At that moment I didn't understand why on earth he wanted that, but the look on his face told me he had a reason for asking this of me. Later of course I realised that by sitting with my back to the wall, with no one behind me, gave me the opportunity to view what he had brought to show me without the risk of others being able to see what I was looking at.

After we were both seated, he thanked me for meeting with him.

He then proceeded to tell me how he had recently come back from a trip to the United States where during that time he had stayed with another physician friend of his who worked for the US Military. They had been friends and colleagues for a number of years. He proceeded to tell me that during the visit his friend had seemed extremely agitated and wasn't his normal self at all... something weighted heavily on this mans mind. Three days into this stay they were having dinner and his friend had been drinking heavily which was something strange in itself, as he had not seen his friend ever take more than a glass or two of wine in the entire time they had known each other.

As the evening progressed, his friend had started discussing how he had recently seen something very disturbing to him and needed to share this with him. He said he had been working late one night at the base where he was stationed when he was told there had been an accident and they were bringing in a body to which he was to do a preliminary examination of.

He then proceeded to detail the nights events and how the body was brought in with horrific injuries the likes he had never seen before in all the years of his medical career. He said the body had been mutilitated... an eye was missing, an ear. Photos had been taken of the victim as he had been found and these photos accompanied the body. Two of these photos the physician had managed to secure for himself.

It was these two photos that he brought out to show his friend, and it was same photos that were now in the possession of the Physician who sat opposite me in the cafe during that busy bustling lunchtime.

He told me that his friend had asked him to "hold onto" the photos in case anything happened to him, as he just didn't feel safe anymore and besides he hated having them around.

I had listened to what was being told me with very little interruption until he had mentioned that the photos were now in his possession. I asked him whether he had them on him and he nodded in the affirmative.

Now I have seen alleged human mutilation photos before - once by a colleague who had shown me two photos of a naked mans body with the classic signs that accompany the cattle mutilations that I am very familiar with. I have also seen a photo in one of the UFO magazines.

I now realised why I had been asked to sit with my back to the wall. This way I could view them without anyone else seeing what I was looking at.

Before he handed me the photos, he asked me if I had studied many cases of cattle mutilation, and if I could possibly tell the difference from an ordinary wound and one that had the traits of being a mutilation. I explained to him that nothing was a certainty in this field, but I had seen 100's of cases and read all the reports, including the autopsy notes so was very familiar with the wounds sustained in a alleged "mute" case.

He seemed satisfied with the answer and so brought out the photos from his breast pocket and handed them to me in a white envelope.

Now - since I was unable to keep the photos or make detailed notes of them at the time of viewing, the following account of what was in the photos is from the mental note I made of them trying to remember as much detail as I possibly could.

There were two photos. The first was the full frontal of a white male and the second photo was the same male that had been turned on his stomach, so this was the other side of the victim.

The photos had been taken at in a field of lush green pasture. It was difficult to determine how old he was as the face had been so disfigured, that age could not be determined that way.. however the physical appearance of the body was in quite good shape, so I estimate that he was between the age of 20-35.

His facial injuries were almost exactly what I had seen time and time again in the cattle mutilation cases. His left eye had been surgically removed, including the eyelid, his lips had been removed in a very clean and precise cut, so had his left ear, and the left hand side of his jaw had been removed, taking part of the jaw bone and teeth with it. The incision along the jaw line had extended past the removed segment of jaw bone to include a further strip of tissue that stopped about 2 1/2 inches from the base of the chin. I could see no blood at all. No blood around the wounds, no blood on the ground, no blood anywhere.

Next I looked at the torso and saw two very clean cookie cutter pieces that had been removed from the chest area - these would have measured approx 2 inches in diameter. Again no blood could be seen around the wound area. I have often wondered about the lack of blood in the animal cases that I have seen pictures of... I wondered if there was blood but that it was just harder to see due to the sometimes matted, dirty hide/hair of the animal. In this case however, with the victim being human, if there had been spillage of blood, there certainly was no trace of it from what I could see... it had either been cleaned away or wasn't there in the first place.

I moved down the photo to the genital area. The sexual organs had been completely removed. Again no blood was visible.

There appeared to be no injuries to the legs that I could see, so I went onto the second photograph.

The only injury on the second photo was that the entire rectum had been completed cored out which left a very large cavity. This was a very familiar sight - as most cattle mutilations have exactly the same thing. If you haven't seen this before - then it's much like taking and apple and using a corer to remove the inside core/pips. You are left with an extremely clean, incision and the core has been "plugged" right out.

I remember sitting there and saying in a very low murmur... "god I hope this poor bastard was dead before they did this"...

Of course that is the bottom line here... just who are "they"...

After I had looked at the pictures for quite some time I looked up at the physician opposite me and I could see from the look on his face, that he had become rather resigned... I suppose he was hoping I would tell him that these photos bore no resemblance whatsoever to the cattle mutilations.... Unfortunately I couldn't do that, as what I was looking at resembled 100% of what I'd seen with the animal mute cases.

We sat there and discussed things for quite some time. He didn't seem all that interested in telling much more about his friend to whom the photos actually belonged to. It seemed to me that something in him had crossed over to the darker side of human existence... the side that knows something they wish to hell they didn't. I felt sad for him... I know that feeling well. We said out goodbyes and I haven't seen or heard from him since.

It's a strange world indeed....


134 posted on 04/16/2006 5:42:10 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Welllll, we certainly know better than to trust Rabbit-Runner Jimmah or people close to him about much of anything important to the nation.

NO surprise on that score.

Of course, even Jimmah must know some true things.

But thinking he knows more than St Paul is not one of them.


135 posted on 04/16/2006 5:44:52 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: airborne

Thanks. Likewise.

How about an update on you and family vis FREEPMAIL?


136 posted on 04/16/2006 5:45:32 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke

Here's another excerpt from a narrative about a human mutilation from:

http://www.aliendave.com/Article_MutilationsPredators.html




HUMAN MUTILATION

There are some incidents that have occurred over the years, which strongly point to the fact that the mutilations are not confined, to animals. The first case which came to the public notice involved an American Air Force Sergeant called Jonathan Louette who was serving at the White Sands Proving Ground in New Mexico, a vast remote base where the latest US technology is tested. There are many stories linking White Sands to alien contact and captured alien craft.



The Sergeant and a senior officer were detailed to travel several miles down the missile range in a military vehicle to find and recover any debris from spent missiles. At one point they left their vehicle to scout the desert. They separated in order to cover a wider area of the sand dunes more quickly. Suddenly the officer heard screams in the area of the dunes where the sergeant was searching. He ran towards the noise thinking that a rattlesnake had bitten the sergeant and as he reached the top of the dune, he saw a disc shaped craft hovering low above the ground. A long tentacle coming from the underside of the craft was wrapped around the sergeant. It dragged the screaming man into the craft and then shot away at great speed.



The officer returned to base in a state of shock. When he reported what had happened he was not believed and was arrested for murder. An immediate search of the area failed to find any sign of the sergeant. Three days later Sergeant Louette's mutilated body was found twenty miles down the range. The mutilations were clinical and precise and involved the removal of the genitals, the rectum and the eyes. Typically there was no blood on the body, but the cardiovascular organs had not collapsed. The officer was released without charge. Although the story was leaked out by people involved in the incident, the military refused to confirm or deny that such an incident had taken place.



Although many strange stories have come out of the Vietnam conflict, there can be none stranger than that reported at a UFO Conference in Las Vegas in 1989 by an ex United States Air Force man who was serving as a photographer in Vietnam in the late sixties. He was involved in a mission to investigate the mysterious crash of a B-52 bomber, and was air lifted by helicopter into the jungle where the plane had gone down. The first surprise was to find the plane intact, and no sign of a crash landing: it was if the plane had been air lifted and placed into position. Inside the cabin, though was a greater shock. The four-man crew were still strapped into their seats, but all had been mutilated with the typical clean-cut wounds that we see in the animal mutilations. After inspecting the plane and photographing both it and the occupants, the investigation team was ordered to burn the plane and the occupants.



I also had reported to me, although without a hundred per cent corroboration the story of two hunters who in 1959 discovered the body of a naked man in an isolated area of Idaho. The genitalia had been removed, the lips had been sliced off, and there were several other surgical cuts to the body. Although the body was barefoot, there were no cuts or scratches to the feet or legs as there would have been had he walked through the wilderness terrain, nor were there any tracks of humans or animals, and it would have been impossible to get to the spot by vehicle. The police subsequently found his possessions several miles away.



As with animal mutilations the human mutilations appear to be happening globally. The best evidence to date has come from Brazil with some convincing if gruesome photographs of a human mutilation, which have been obtained from, police files. Although authorities the world over appear to be united in their desire to keep the whole thing covered up, not all are as sophisticated as the Americans and British, and fortunately for the whole field of research into UFO-related deaths and mutilations, these Brazilian pictures have found their way into the public domain. The mutilated body of a man was found near the Guarapiranga Reservoir in Brazil on 29th. September 1988 and as a matter of course photographs were taken of the corpse. A police technician, Sergio Rubens, later gave copies of these photographs to his cousin, Dr Goes Rubins, who he thought would be interested, in the way the corpse had been mutilated. Appreciating at least partly the significance of the pictures, Dr Rubens showed them to a friend, who he knew was interested in ufology. She immediately recognized the similarity of the wounds to those she has seen in animal mutilations.



When the police were approached for more information, the head of the investigation, Dr Cuenca, surprisingly opened his files: an incredible stroke of luck not just for the original investigators, but for all of us battling to get this subject into the open. Among the papers in the file was the original autopsy report, written by forensic pathologists who had no previous knowledge of mutilations. There were many striking observations.



1.Although the victim had been dead for forty-eight to seventy-two hours there was no sign of being eaten by animals or starting to rot, as would be expected.

2.There was no smell.

3.Bleeding from the wounds had been minimal.

4.The lips and flesh from the face had been cut away.

5.The eyes, ears and tongue had been removed.

6.Neat round holes, one to one and a half inches in diameter, had been made on the shoulders arms and head, stomach and anus and tissue and muscle had been extracted. The holes had not been made by bullets.

7.The major organs within the chest cavity had been removed, a perfect small hole having been made through which extensive digestive organs had been extracted.

8.The scrotum, but not the penis had been removed, and all pubic hair had disappeared.

9.The rectum had been cored out.

Despite the devastating mutilations, there was no sign that the victim had been bound or had struggled in any way.


137 posted on 04/16/2006 5:52:52 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix
The Supreme Court agreed that the info was our MOST SENSITIVE SECRET body of knowledge and must be protected, essentially at all costs.

I'd be interested in reading that ruling. Do you have a citation or a link?

138 posted on 04/16/2006 5:59:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard; Calvin Locke

Haven't tracked down the Supreme Court ruling yet. Not a high priority for me. Sorry. Been a decade or two since I've read it. I think the case first went to the Secret court.

If I do find that doc, I'll post it or the link on this thread. It was 2-3 decades ago, as I recall.

Calvin, here's a link to a better presentation of the photos which are clearer at the end, bottom of the narrative.

WARNING, THE PHOTOS AT THIS LINK ARE VERY GRAPHIC INCLUDING A REMOVED JAW AS WELL AS REMOVED RECTUM AND GENITALS AS WELL AS OTHER RELATIVELY MINOR PLUG SAMPLE TYPES OF INJURIES.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilations/Human_Mutilations.htm


139 posted on 04/16/2006 6:04:17 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

The following excerpts are from:

http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/crop_circles_and_cattle_mutilations/hummute.html




After having spoken to John Ford, the Chairman of the Long Island UFO Network, for a news story for UFO Magazine, I became even more convinced that the aspect of potential UFO hostility should be investigated. Ford relayed a numbing number of animal mutilations, human disappearances, human abductions, covert Federal involvement in areas that suffered high numbers of animal mutilations, and even armed military helicopters that chased UFOs over civilian communities. Ford, who is a officer of the Federal Court system, did investigations into the disappearances of mostly young adults over a year period, in areas of high UFO overflights, and after having several personal friends who were police officers of the local municipalities look into the situation, came to the conclusion that the facts were being suppressed. The reason given was that there was "no need to panic the public." Although no iron clad proof can be made for direct UFO intervention, the circumstances are extremely suspect.

After growing up in an age where the entire human race can be decimated by nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, the human race somehow manages to keep slogging on. I have seen more people "panicked" over a shortage of gasoline than imminent nuclear holocaust, yet somehow when the subject of UFOs crop up, the government doesn't want to panic anyone. It really makes me wonder what they know, that I should. I really don't think that they are going to talk to anyone soon, as you shall soon see.

In January, 1989, it came to the attention of the MUFON State Director of Idaho, Mr. Don Mason, that cattle mutilations had occurred once again in the southeastern section of Idaho. After an investigation by a MUFON investigator, the facts were as follows. The animals ( two cattle, same night, but each owned by different ranchers ) were "somehow" killed, sexual organs removed, body fluids drained, patches of hide "surgically" removed. All the appearances of what is today considered to be a classic case of animal mutilation. As of this date ( February 15, 1989 ) the final lab reports are not back yet, but already the Sheriffs Department has labeled it a "cult killing." No tracks, tire or human, around the animals even though it had just rained, no unusual activity reported by the ranchers that evening, and one animal was found next to an occupied house. One of the ranchers admitted that this was the second time he had been "hit" by the mysterious mutilators. The last incident had only been a bit over a year previously, and they were worried enough that all had their "deer rifle" within easy reach.

After having been personally involved in an investigation of cattle mutilations as a police officer back in 1982, I was very familiar with the "cult" theory of perpetrators. The Idaho Department of Law Enforcement drags it out every time there is a new rash of mutilations. The problem is, and every one is aware of it, that no one has yet been brought to trial, or arrested yet for these crimes. Out here in the west, people know that you are flirting with a ranchers bullet if you are caught fooling around with the ranchers cattle. They are his livelihood, and he will defend it. Yet, the mutilations keep occurring, and no one is any the wiser, or are they?

With the subject of animal mutilations fresh in everyones mind, I was once again speaking to Don Mason, when he informed me that the investigator that had been assigned to the above mentioned case had come across a very mysterious death of a man back in 1979. According to the report, two hunters in the Bliss and Jerome area of Idaho had literally stumbled across the nude body of a man that had been hideously mutilated. The body was in the literal middle of nowhere, nude except for a pair of underpants, his sexual organs had been removed, his lips sliced off, and several other classic mutilation cuts. Although he was in very rugged country, his bare feet were not marked as if he had walked in that terrain, but yet no other tracks, animal or human were evident anywhere. After the police were notified, an intensive search was mounted, and miles away, the mans possessions were recovered, yet no one yet knows how the body ended up where it was found, or even more importantly, what happened to him. It should be noted that this area also had over the years, many unexplained UFO reports and cattle mutilations.

Now I must explain that I had very mixed feelings about whether I wished to attempt to explore this subject any further, or allow sleeping dogs to lie. On the one hand, I wanted more than anything to discover just what was occurring, and on the other, I realized that this had the potential to backfire on someone that disturbed the status quo. I was familiar with reports of human abductions and mutilations that had surfaced in the last several years in reports such as the Lear documents, Grudge 13 reports and others, but yet I was not sure what I believed, or even if there was anything to believe. I ran across a friend that was still employed with a police department in this area who was a detective. I had mentioned to him the recent cattle mutilations, and what I suspected in the above mentioned case of a human that had been mutilated. Scot had also been involved in the last several years with several cases of mutilations that he had been called upon to investigate, always with negative results. He was as curious about this phenomenon as I was, and since he was still an active duty police officer, he had access to the department computer, to access the NCIC system that is maintained in Washington D. C. by the FBI. After giving Scot the criteria for a search of unexplained human deaths, that involved factors of mutilation, I asked that the search go back to at least 1973, involving this area of the Northwest. Scot ( not his real name ) ran the request through the department computer. As he mentioned at the time, he had expected to get realms of reports back that we would have to wade through, to get to the reports that would be are further study. Scot ended up requesting that the inquiry be run back to 1970, and involve not only Idaho, but also Utah, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington states. Because of the magnitude of this search, Scot stated that it would take about one week to get the results back into his department. As a side note, for anyone that is not familiar with the NCIC system, it is a national data bank for Law enforcement agencies all across the United States. It is maintained and controlled by the Federal Burea of Investigation, at FBI headquarters, in Washington D. C. On the 14th of February, Scot contacted me in person, and appeared very troubled. His exact words were that "something is really screwy, Don." "I got the request back from NCIC on Monday, and there has gotta be something wrong. They told me that they had NO unsolved murders at all, zero, that met that criteria. THAT ANY FURTHER REQUESTS WILL HAVE TO BE MADE BY VOICE, TELEPHONE CALL, WITH PROPER AUTHORIZATION. Somebody is sitting on something, big as Hell." I also knew that something was as screwy as hell. After all, anybody that has had any dealing with law enforcement knows about the "Green River Killer" in Washington state. This serial killer is credited with at least 30 to 40 murders of young women, and to this date, the case is as big a mystery as ever. Many of the killings showed some types of mutilation, and if nothing else, at least some of these homicides should have shown up.

Once more, as a side note, I had been warned by a prominent UFOlogist, that there was a lid "screwed down tighter than you would believe in regards to human mutes." I also was warned that in order to break through the secrecy, was going to be a long and sometimes weary job, but that if enough persistence was applied, then it was possible to get to the bottom of this facet of the UFO enigma. Do I think that this can be solved, along with the rest of the puzzle? Yes, I do, because I think that the secrecy can only be maintained for so long, and then no longer. I also believe very strongly that only if the entire UFO community works in concert will this be accomplished, and the infighting and arguments MUST CEASE for the good of us all.


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140 posted on 04/16/2006 6:11:47 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke; ovrtaxt; JockoManning; Las Vegas Dave

Perhaps you know, overtaxt,

this is one of those interesting topics . . . which so many are chicken to even discuss.

Yet, once such things become overtly commonly known . . . people will be clammering for information and desperately eager to discuss . . . when it's too late to do much about it--even plan personally.

Life can be so interesting.


141 posted on 04/16/2006 7:31:19 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Calvin Locke; ovrtaxt

The following is a summary of the cattle mutilations . . . it follows at the link a discussion of Mad Cow Disease and related . . . phenomena, events, secrecy etc. . . . interesting.

Oooops. I just realized it's from an unfavored site. Hmmmmm. Guess I can't share it.

Basically it outlines the typical excisions--areas having to do with intake and outgo from an animal.

Still reading the doc . . .

". . . The digestive track also acts as a filter, that absorbs, collects and stores traces of any chemical or toxin introduced. The rectum is a similar filter, as are ears. They store traces of toxins and chemicals like a library. This is true in humans and animals. So far there are no known cases of inherited BSE, but the reproductive system may be a good place to find look for clues on how TSEs pass to the next generation. "

. . .

"An FAA investigator came to Albertville and Cole took him for a ride in his police car. The FAA investigator was skeptical until an un-marked helicopter flew near them. The FAA investigator couldn't believe his own eyes and pulled out a hand held radio and hailed the helicopter. The helicopter pilot didn't respond and ignored demands that he identify himself. This infuriated the FAA investigator who had now reversed his skepticism. He was able to trace the helicopter to Maxwell Air Force Base in Southern Alabama. When he launched an inquiry at the base, he was immediately told to drop it and never talk about again"

Ted Oliphant III email: alkahest@slip.net


142 posted on 04/16/2006 8:12:06 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Also from

Ted Oliphant III email: alkahest@slip.net




When a cow is in trouble, sick or dying, the first thing it experiences is peripheral circulatory shutdown. The peripheral, or outside circulation begins to shut down, this causes an immediate temperature reduction of the affected animals outside skin, or hide. When a helicopter flies low and slow over area pastures and has the infra-red scanner operating, it will notice a cow with a lower thermographic reading than the others in the herd. Find the cold cow, and you've identified a cow in trouble.

Somebody wants to know why that cow is in trouble. Since the cow will probably die anyway, it's a good choice for sample extraction. It's also a good way to narrow down farms that might be affected by disease. This answers the question everybody always asks me: "Why wouldn't the government just go around and buy cows at the livestock sale, it would be cheaper than using helicopters. They could raise their own cattle on their own land and nobody would know about". That was always a hard question to answer, until now.


143 posted on 04/16/2006 8:18:29 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Evidently, that researcher found that in 90% of the cases, unmarked copters were observed near the mutilated sites within hours of the discoveries.

This is interesting. Not sure what to do with it.

There's also plenty of cases where UFO type craft were observed and absolutely no sound of any copters.

Of course, there are very quiet copters now.

The research about the 112 versions, types of spongiform encehpalitis . . . Mad Cow Disease . . . and the above is more than a little disturbing.


144 posted on 04/16/2006 8:25:36 PM PDT by Quix (Work, PRAY, stand up and be counted while it is still day. The looming night descends increasingly)
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To: Quix

Man, it is bad enough that we have to worry about Iran, now this!

:-D

Hi, Quix, very interesting thread.


145 posted on 04/17/2006 2:05:16 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Quix

How long until Jocko Manning gets back? Even when he does get back, how will the book in his car deal with the problem the television show presents? It's hard to take claims of "scientific findings" seriously when the "scientists" involved can't actually distinguish between a hoaxed or "authentic" crop circle.


146 posted on 04/17/2006 11:21:49 PM PDT by Thalos
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To: Sam Cree

Thanks.

I think it's all of the same plan hatched way back even at the time of The Garden. Seduce God's favorite Creation--Mankind--into rebellion and death . . . with plenty of tyranny and torture along the way.

Thankfully, there was The Cross and Resurrection Morning along the way. Now we can be restored to Fellowship with The Father and all that means--

God's
Riches
At
Christ's
Expense.

I'll take Grace any day.

The ET critters--whether in cahoots with demons or demons in bioengineered shells--will perpetuate--as they evidently have with the ruling elite--what the Bible evidently calls the GREAT DECEPTION of the end times--trying to neuter belief in Christ's deity etc. by claiming to have created mankind as well as created all the historical spiritual leaders. They will (& evidently have) proffered a purported holographic video of any such historical events which they wish to provide a revisionist version of.

Thankfully, those who's faith is tangibly real, need not be fooled. We can know--as the verse says--in Whom we have believed that He will keep that which we have committed unto Him--ourselves and all we are and are about.

We can read the end of The Book. God and His Kids win.

ALL CREATION groans--eagerly waiting--eagerly yearning for the manifestation of the sons of God. Whatever that verse means--it means to me that all sin polluted creation is ready to be delivered from the curse of deadly sin--missing the mark of perfection--delivered from pain and suffering--tyranny, deadly death oriented control freak stuff.

For a time, evil will seem to reign completely and totally. But Sunday's comin.' Armageddon will leave the forces of evil totally vanquished. All creation has long awaited that day.

We can have hope in Him Who IS Hope.

But we best walk close to God and be attentive and sensitive to His guidance. Playing church; playing Christianity will not do any longer in this era. Delusion is too strong and thick.

Anyway--imho.


147 posted on 04/18/2006 8:00:23 AM PDT by Quix (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.-- Bible Belt Bumper Sticker)
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To: Thalos

Posts 106 & 109 already posted many excerpts from the book.

The book has plenty of scientifically verified differences between authentic circles and hoaxed circles and between authentic circles and uncircled crops.

The TV shows have all included at least 30-60% disinformation, discrediting stuff designed to belittle and/or diminish credibility of the phenomena.

Please read the book excerpts and then ask whatever you wish. I'll do my best to answer.


148 posted on 04/18/2006 8:09:03 AM PDT by Quix (TRY JESUS. If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.-- Bible Belt Bumper Sticker)
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