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Boeing superfreighter takes shape in Taiwan
The Seattle Times ^ | Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 12:00 AM | Dominic Gates (Seattle Times aerospace reporter)

Posted on 04/15/2006 12:54:35 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

The first of the superfreighters that will ferry pieces of the 787 across the globe is now nearing completion in Taiwan.

These previously unpublished company photos convey the magnitude of the modification work involved in transforming the used 747s into oversized delivery vehicles.

Evergreen Aviation Technologies is modifying the planes in a 3-acre maintenance hangar at Taipei's Chiang Kai-Shek International Airport.

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That spurred Adam Pilarski, an analyst with Avitas, to quip that Boeing's new superfreighter fleet is "designed in Russia and built in China."

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: 747; 747lcf; 787; boeing; dreamliner; outsourced
I had to excerpt the article. Below are the two pictures that were published with the article.


A bulging upper skin is added to the forward fuselage last month, creating
a heavy brow on the superfreighter, which will ferry pieces of the 787
across the globe. Boeing has commissioned three of the superfreighters.


In November the top of the 747 fuselage was stripped off and the tail
removed so that it resembled a flatbed truck.


1 posted on 04/15/2006 12:54:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail.

2 posted on 04/15/2006 12:56:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Finally, a place to store all that stuff in the basement.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 1:00:34 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Paleo Conservative
Definitely not an Airbus.
4 posted on 04/15/2006 1:00:34 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Paleo Conservative

Boeing Vista Cruiser?

5 posted on 04/15/2006 1:02:50 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole; Paleo Conservative

lol

It needs that weird little window in the hump there.


6 posted on 04/15/2006 1:05:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Taiwan is a very pro-American country. A relative lives there, and for years has said how much they love the US, and Americans.


7 posted on 04/15/2006 1:30:20 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Paleo Conservative

How many ILLEGAL aliens could you deport in a couple of those? ;^)


8 posted on 04/15/2006 1:30:39 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

U will notice that this plane is being built outside of the USA. The entire project has been OUTSOURCED!.


9 posted on 04/15/2006 1:38:26 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DTogo
How many ILLEGAL aliens could you deport in a couple of those? ;^)

It's probably limited by weight rather than volume. You could pack them in like sardines till the weight limit is reached. Of course they wouldn't look too good when they arrive. The cargo section isn't pressurized.

10 posted on 04/15/2006 1:41:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: DownInFlames; phantomworker
U will notice that this plane is being built outside of the USA. The entire project has been OUTSOURCED!.

Of course I noticed. The auto excerpt feature of Free Republic's thread posting web page only posts text from the beginning of a story. I manually excerpted it and put the last paragraph at the end.

11 posted on 04/15/2006 1:45:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative; DTogo
The cargo section isn't pressurized.

Ok - I'm still looking for the drawback...

12 posted on 04/15/2006 1:46:16 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: PghBaldy

"Taiwan is a very pro-American country. A relative lives there, and for years has said how much they love the US, and Americans."

My son taught high school there and he backs you up on that. I hope we don't let China take those people into Communist slavery.


13 posted on 04/15/2006 1:52:36 PM PDT by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Interesting. Looks like Taiwan is doing the mod work. Not a very lucrative venture maybe. There's just so much lobbying against outsourcing that can be done.

I think Boeing is trying to get out of being a parts manufacturer and more into "large scale system integration".


14 posted on 04/15/2006 2:00:12 PM PDT by phantomworker ('Live your life with arms wide open Today is where your book begins The rest is still unwritten')
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To: DownInFlames

from the full article:

"Evergreen, the builder of the aircraft, is a joint venture of EVA Air and General Electric and part of Taiwan's Evergreen Group."

Evergreen is a Taiwaneese company. It is the largest international sea shipping company. So using airplanes is a natural extension.

Another way to get small valuable goods from over there, to over here.

The largest EXPORTs from the US today are EMPTY ship cargo containers, and scrap steel.

Note they started with a USED Boeing plane (perhaps just short of scrap aluminum?).


15 posted on 04/15/2006 2:11:08 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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Note they started with a USED Boeing plane (perhaps just short of scrap aluminum?).

Not that old. They start with 747-400's that are just about to need D-checks and would be in need of interior refurbishment. I think one of the China Airlines 747-400's being used struck it's tail during a landing. The fact that the cargo section will not be pressurized makes it an ideal candidate to be converted.

It is the oldest of the classic 747-100/200/300 aircraft that are best suited for conversion to beer cans. The 747-400 has a two-man digital cockpit which is being heavily upgraded for the 747-400LCF's. The 747 being a long ranged aircraft, has fewer cycles than shorter ranged aircraft like 737's with equivalent numbers of hours. It's much cheaper for Boeing to acquire used 747's than to build new ones for conversion to the LCF.

16 posted on 04/15/2006 2:22:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: phantomworker
Why do you think Boeing has gotten so many contracts recently?

It's not just the technology: Boeing has outsourced significant work (dollars) in markets where they think they have a good shot at picking up a large number of orders (Japan, China, etc.).

17 posted on 04/15/2006 2:25:35 PM PDT by pierrem15
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Why do you think Boeing has gotten so many contracts recently?

It's not just the technology: Boeing has outsourced significant work (dollars) in markets where they think they have a good shot at picking up a large number of orders (Japan, China, etc.).

Also, the economies of scale in the commercial aircraft industry are so huge that there really isn't much room for more than two competitors to manufacture wide bodied jets. If Boeing built their aircraft soley with US suppliers, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, because Airbus would use that fact to market their planes around the world.

18 posted on 04/15/2006 2:35:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
It doesn't mention where the cargo doors are for the over sized payload, does the noes open like a C-5 or the tail open like pedal doors, or both?
19 posted on 04/15/2006 2:40:47 PM PDT by txroadhawg ("Stuck on stupid? I invented stupid! " Al Gore)
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To: MediaMole
747-380.

< ];^)

20 posted on 04/15/2006 2:52:28 PM PDT by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: txroadhawg
It doesn't mention where the cargo doors are for the over sized payload, does the noes open like a C-5 or the tail open like pedal doors, or both?

It's in the tail. The cargo section is separated from the nose of the aircraft just behind the passenger door by a newly desingned pressure bulkhead. It is impossible to get into the unpressurized cargo section from the nose section, because there will be no door there. The tail section will swing open to allow specially designed loaders load and unload cargo from the LCF. The hinges which are being designed in Spain will carry and protect all the cables and hydraulic hoses necessary to control the control surfaces and flight data recorders in the tail. This will enable quicker loading and unloading than was possible with the Super Guppies formerly used by Airbus. Those aircraft which were modified C-97's required disconnecting all flight controls before opening the nose of the plane and reconnecting them before taking off.


21 posted on 04/15/2006 2:54:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: txroadhawg

22 posted on 04/15/2006 2:57:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
The tail section will swing open to allow specially designed loaders load and unload cargo from the LCF.

That loader sure looks a lot like the one that JetWay of Ogden Utah was designing for the 747F. The whole thing used servo loops to slave the loader to the motion of the plane as ISO containers were loaded through the nose. (A 30,000 lb container will cause the plane to drop from it's unloaded attitude and crosswinds will cause it to yaw. The first trip up to the plane would have an operator riding along w/ an electronics package which was clipped to the fuselage inside the door. The package contained inertial sensors to activate the servos. On the trip down the system memorized the location of the door, after that loading was like pushing buttons in an elevator. I don't know what ever happened to the project as I interviewed and they weren't in the mood to pay what I was asking. A couple of months later they called and asked if I was still available but by then I was out of the market.

Regards,
GtG

23 posted on 04/15/2006 3:21:15 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Interesting. So that's how it works. A picture is worth a 1000 words. Thanks!


24 posted on 04/15/2006 3:25:21 PM PDT by phantomworker ('Live your life with arms wide open Today is where your book begins The rest is still unwritten')
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To: MediaMole
Boeing Vista Cruiser?

No faux wood paneling.

25 posted on 04/15/2006 3:29:45 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: MediaMole
Yup,,, I still remember those Oldsmobile Stationwagions,, they were neat.
26 posted on 04/15/2006 8:57:35 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: DownInFlames

A lot of the engineering of the cargo hold and tail of the plane is being done in Russia under Boeing's supervision.


27 posted on 04/15/2006 8:59:46 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Paleo Conservative

One reason why a lot of cargo airlines like the 747-400 is because it has a great lifting capacity, and some say even better than the A-380 once the 747-8I comes in service.


28 posted on 04/15/2006 9:01:37 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: truth_seeker
Evergreen is a Taiwaneese company. It is the largest international sea shipping company. So using airplanes is a natural extension.

IIRC Evergreen is also the company that's trying to sell modified 747s for the aerial firefighting tanker role.
29 posted on 04/15/2006 9:09:33 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Whoa. I'm not sure I'd want to subject a 747 to those kinds of stresses.


30 posted on 04/15/2006 9:10:51 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: tanknetter

Two different companys, Evergreen that refurbed a 747 for firefighting (still not approved) is a US company in Marana Arizona.

The Evergreen group, which is a Taiwanese shipping company that also runs the wonderful EVA airlines is all out of Taipei.

I fly EVA once or twice a year, they are great, 747, 777, A330, and a few 767's.


31 posted on 04/16/2006 8:35:57 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (No one censors speech they agree with.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
" Airbus would use that fact to market their planes around the world."

In addition to their usual tactics of offering subsidized loans and bribing foreign officials for contracts.

32 posted on 04/16/2006 9:57:18 AM PDT by pierrem15
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