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Report: US to release Pollard in Barghouti swap deal
JERUSALEM POST ^ | Apr. 16, 2006 | Staff

Posted on 04/15/2006 4:31:49 PM PDT by Sabramerican

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To: Sabramerican

I have three questions for the governments of the U.S. and Israel:

1. Why do you place less value on the innocent lives of those who are killed or maimed by terrorists, when the victims are Jews?

2. Why do you insist on pursuing and killing Islamofascists...unless they happen to be "Palestinian" Arabs?

3. Why do you coddle "Palestinian" Arab Islamofascist terrorists?


51 posted on 04/15/2006 4:58:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org - America wasn't built and defended by those who whined "It's too hard!")
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To: Sabramerican

Apparently, the sources "think" the release of the terrorist will somehow help negate Hamas, but I am at a complete loss as to how that is expected to work!


52 posted on 04/15/2006 4:59:20 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: Sabramerican
Regarding Palestinians, here is what I just got from TBO.com

Al-Arian To Be Deported

TAMPA - Capping an ordeal that spanned more than a decade, former University of South Florida professor Sami Al-Arian has reached a deal with prosecutors, agreeing to be deported after admitting involvement with a terrorist organization, an attorney involved in the negotiations said.

"My understanding was that he was to plead guilty" to conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist organization, said William Moffitt, who represented Al-Arian until a judge allowed him to withdraw from the case last month. The deal calls for Al-Arian to receive a sentence roughly equal to the time he has served behind bars since he was arrested in February 2003, Moffitt said.

53 posted on 04/15/2006 4:59:27 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()......The Media is not Mainstream, stop calling them that........()
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To: Finalapproach29er
Bush seems to represent everybody except those who supported him

Bush is representing all of his REAL supporters well.

He rewarded MBNA's $2 million in campaign contributions with a bankruptcy bill to make eternal slaves of millions of Americans.

He rewarded Bono woth $30 billion in "aid" to African dictators in the guise of AIDS support (and just wait for the big African debt bailout).

He rewarded his Saudi masters with the "Road Map" to Israeli vivisection.

And the list goes on. Bush is doing a great job servicing his true constituency.

54 posted on 04/15/2006 5:01:33 PM PDT by montag813
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To: COEXERJ145
Evidence, or lack thereof be d*mned.

That is just silly. If the article is on FR, people can't be expected not to comment on it.

55 posted on 04/15/2006 5:02:18 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: WoofDog123

What does that mean? mishandled a single classified document? Give me the whole story.


56 posted on 04/15/2006 5:02:27 PM PDT by spyone
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To: Rodney King

The Bush Administration, Rice, State, get to engage in some more, unending, Mideast fantasy.

Release a Fatah murderer to compete with the Hamas murderers.

What we really get is unending war: as we have gotten from similar policies for more then half a century.


57 posted on 04/15/2006 5:03:06 PM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: spyone

faster for you to google it than me to google it for you and type it out.


58 posted on 04/15/2006 5:03:12 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: zarf
"Sounds like BS. That, or the State Department is operating like normal."

The Vegas odds are 50/50 either way.

59 posted on 04/15/2006 5:04:15 PM PDT by Liberator ("Prudence is not called for in the current political climate. Courage is." ~ Freeper Joanie-f)
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To: spyone

no one knows the whole story, officially at least.


60 posted on 04/15/2006 5:05:16 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Rodney King
What “In the Arena” [Regnery] does not recount is his pivotal involvement with the Jonathan Pollard spy case. Weinberger was called upon by the judge to assess the damage Pollard, a civilian Navy analyst, did to national security. Asked in an interview why he omitted the incident, Weinberger casually replied, “Because it was, in a sense, a very minor matter but made very important.” Asked to elaborate, Weinberger repeated, “As I say, the Pollard matter was comparatively minor. It was made far bigger than its actual importance.”
61 posted on 04/15/2006 5:06:37 PM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: Rodney King
If the article is on FR, people can't be expected not to comment on it.

There's a big difference between commenting on something and assuming, without evidence, that it is true.

62 posted on 04/15/2006 5:06:59 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Joe Boucher
Pollard should be hung.

Pollard should be have been hung.

63 posted on 04/15/2006 5:07:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: 1rudeboy
Hasn't Pollard been released a almost a dozen times already?

Yes. Esther spreads this rumor about once a year.

64 posted on 04/15/2006 5:09:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Grampa Dave; ohioWfan

Love your graphic.


65 posted on 04/15/2006 5:10:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: montag813

What one country on Earth is today, in every way measurable, better off then it was on Sept 10, 2001?

Notwithstanding 15 of 19 of their citizens?


66 posted on 04/15/2006 5:10:38 PM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: laconic

"What, quite frankly, does the UNITED STATES get out of this reported idiotic exchange? Appalling."

Do we think he is a counter-balance against Hamas?


67 posted on 04/15/2006 5:10:42 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: rogue yam
There's a big difference between commenting on something and assuming, without evidence, that it is true.

Not to some people. But you knew that.

68 posted on 04/15/2006 5:11:26 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: onyx

That's exactly what they think. They think the Palestinians love Barghouti and that he will defeat Hamas by popular support. It also means they think Abbas is dogmeat and they need another leader.

Trouble will stir and Abbas will call for new elections and Bargouti will come to the rescue as a populist winner of the new election.

You never know. He has been in Israeli prison now for many years. He could be a double agent by now. (just a little bit joking).

More seriously, it's clear Israel is serious about 'introvergence' and that in the absense of Israelis the Palestinians need some kind of serious leadership. The west have nothing in Abbas and no respect for Hamas so... big change.


69 posted on 04/15/2006 5:11:55 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

Hey, long time no see!
I understand what you're saying and the article as well, it's just that I cannot fathom this working.


70 posted on 04/15/2006 5:14:58 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: Bahbah
The people who should know better than others not to trust the MSM seem to do so every darn time, no matter how wild the accusation.

If it is anti-Bush it must be true.

71 posted on 04/15/2006 5:17:58 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: Sabramerican
It's spin...Don't buy into it...Probably won't happen.

Israel is set to offer the proposed prisoner swap deal in the next few months

Just wishful thinking on Israel's part.


72 posted on 04/15/2006 5:19:27 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Sabramerican

This sounds absurd.


73 posted on 04/15/2006 5:19:47 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (Say NO! to "No Illegal Alien Left Behind" legislation...)
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To: Sabramerican
I believe Pollard should be released. He has served more then appropriate time for his offense the real offense not the fiction that has grown around him fed by malicious sources).

Free Pollard! Execute our real enemies!
74 posted on 04/15/2006 5:22:25 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Sabramerican
[In 2004 Israel suggested a similar move but the initiative was rejected by the US government. ]

So, what has changed since 2004? This sounds fishy (r perhaps it's a trial baloon). I'd like to know more about the details. If true, the Bush Admin owes needs to explain the reasoning behind this strange move.

75 posted on 04/15/2006 5:23:46 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: onyx
The problem I have with believing this is why would Israel be offering this kind of deal now?

We have Iran on the verge of becoming a nuclear power and declaring they will destroy Israel. America may be their only friend in stopping this. Why pick now to start throwing political fire crackers at the White House?

76 posted on 04/15/2006 5:24:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: spyone
Wow, by the third post, blaming the republican, Bush, and anything else. Of course, waiting to see if it's true is not a consideration. No wonder the conservatives lose, we're our own worst enemy.
77 posted on 04/15/2006 5:26:38 PM PDT by gunner03 (just another grunt)
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To: CWOJackson

GOOD point.

Article notes "Officials in Jerusalem" and "Army radio" --- no names, VAGUE.

I doubt it's accurate.


78 posted on 04/15/2006 5:28:13 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: onyx

Trying to politically ham-string a President under assault from all sides, who may be the only leader in the world with the commitment to come to your aide with Iran, just doesn't seem smart to me.


79 posted on 04/15/2006 5:32:29 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

And it seems deliberate.
THAT is what I find most troubling.


80 posted on 04/15/2006 5:33:29 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: CWOJackson
This is one of the reason I favor the death penalty for traitors and spies.

Would you also be in favor of the death penalty for OUR spies who are caught? Here's a news flash for you: Everybody spies on one another. It's a game. In the spy game, you jail them until such time as a good trade comes up (not that this particular trade, if true, qualifies).

Traitors should be summarily executed in every case, with hout exception. I would also add terrorists to this list.

81 posted on 04/15/2006 5:33:40 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Yes, I would have preferred Hanson put to death.


82 posted on 04/15/2006 5:35:05 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"Would you also be in favor of the death penalty for OUR spies who are caught?... Traitors should be summarily executed in every case, with hout exception."

Pollard was an American citizen spying for a foreign nation...he's a traitor.

83 posted on 04/15/2006 5:36:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

you will never get the truth about this case.


84 posted on 04/15/2006 5:37:58 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Sabramerican
US would free imprisoned Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard in exchange for Israel releasing jailed Fatah leader Marwan Barghouti.

Why would we want Marwan? (if we cant properly interrogate him).

85 posted on 04/15/2006 5:41:06 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
It's a game. In the spy game, you jail them until such time as a good trade comes up (not that this particular trade, if true, qualifies).

There are exceptions to every rule...What would the Iranians or Palestinians do if they caught an American Spy on their soil?


86 posted on 04/15/2006 5:43:31 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Joe Boucher

Or shot, or perhaps both.How many Americans did he help kill?


87 posted on 04/15/2006 5:47:47 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Sabramerican
Just when you think things can't get any slimier. Let's see--
Illegals getting amnesty-----why not Pollard. (sarcasm)
88 posted on 04/15/2006 5:48:50 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Sabramerican

Why the heck would we want Barf-Gouli free? Dead perhaps, but free?!

Makes no sense at all...


89 posted on 04/15/2006 5:51:45 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: onyx
Yes, I would have preferred Hanson put to death.

Agreed. US citizens who spy for foreign powers are traitors who should be summarily executed,

90 posted on 04/15/2006 5:52:08 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: CWOJackson
Pollard was an American citizen spying for a foreign nation...he's a traitor.

Agreed.

91 posted on 04/15/2006 5:53:07 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: okie01
Israel should consider the consequences of such an exchange very carefully.

Israel already decided in the last elections that pensions are more important than foreign policy.

92 posted on 04/15/2006 5:53:56 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Sabramerican

Why would Bush want Israel to release a multi murderer terrorist? I thought he was leading a war against terror.


93 posted on 04/15/2006 5:54:19 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: spyone

Pollard was not convicted of treason.


94 posted on 04/15/2006 5:56:23 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Honestfreedom

Passing on national secrets is treason, no matter what the plea bargain.


95 posted on 04/15/2006 5:57:42 PM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone

John Walker Lyn (sp?) who did take up arms against the USA for an enemy in a time of war got a sentence less than the time Pollard has already served.


96 posted on 04/15/2006 5:57:46 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Phsstpok

Barghouti is the enemy of Hamas.


97 posted on 04/15/2006 5:57:58 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Thanks, Tom. I figured we were on the same page.


98 posted on 04/15/2006 5:58:43 PM PDT by onyx (It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
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To: spyone

No it is not. Treason is an offense committed on behalf of an enemy during war. Israel is not an enemy and we were not at war at the time.


99 posted on 04/15/2006 5:58:56 PM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: Honestfreedom

John Walker Lynd was not employed by the US government in a sensitive position handling national secrets. He was a goofy teenager fighting for a goofy cause. If we can't differential the two, we might as well give up.


100 posted on 04/15/2006 6:00:46 PM PDT by spyone
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