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Faith is not shaken by a Judas ‘gospel’
Lancaster Newspapers via Lancaster Online.com ^ | Apr 15, 2006 | Helen Colwell Adams

Posted on 04/15/2006 9:36:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard

LANCASTER COUNTY, PA - “The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” Matthew 26:24

The words of the four canonical Gospels, the words that call Judas Iscariot a betrayer of Jesus Christ and a tool of the devil, have been read this Easter weekend in millions of churches around the world.

To hear the hype about another gospel, though, Judas got a bum rap.

In the Gospel of Judas, released April 5 to great fanfare, Judas actually was on a mission from Christ when he arranged to turn Jesus over to the religious authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at local.lancasteronline.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: faith; gospelofjudas; judas

1 posted on 04/15/2006 9:36:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

HAPPY EASTER everybody!


2 posted on 04/15/2006 9:37:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Not too many people take gnosticism seriously.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 9:37:50 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44
Not too many people take gnosticism seriously.

Agreed. But the dinosaur liberal Democrat newsrooms are having so much fun rubbing this Judas "gospel" in the noses of Christians, it's imporatnt to refute it loudly and clearly as often as possible.

4 posted on 04/15/2006 9:40:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Not too many people take dinosaur liberal Democrat newsrooms seriously either ;)


5 posted on 04/15/2006 9:42:57 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: bnelson44

My mom knows the man who translated the judas scrolls. He is her friends neighbor in CA.

He has been doing it for years and JUST finished.


6 posted on 04/15/2006 9:57:27 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: Lancey Howard

There are quite a few of these questionable old documents. Some of them do have some light to shed I believe, but the hard-core gnostic ones are pretty far out there. I judge these old texts by that gut feeling of "does this ring true". The gnostic stuff generally does not.

As for Judas. My view is that he was working for the Sanhedrin as an insider all along and that his reports to the Sanhedrin became the foundation for the gospels (the Q document). I believe that these documents are not found in ancient records because they were taken by Paul in his efforts to root out Christians. I believe that it is through Paul how they (the Q document) came into the hands of early Christian writers.

Like God used Paul...God used Judas's reports of Jesus's actions and sayings. God can turn things around and use them for his purposes, he cannot be defied and his purposes cannot be defeated.


7 posted on 04/15/2006 9:59:06 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: annelizly

That is very interesting. And the documents are an interesting part of history. Just not part of the canon is all.


8 posted on 04/15/2006 10:02:02 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Arkinsaw

These documents were written 200 years after Judas died.


9 posted on 04/15/2006 10:02:48 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Arkinsaw

Lots of info here:

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=87247


10 posted on 04/15/2006 10:07:12 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Lancey Howard

Liberal news media love stuff like this. It gives them a secure feeling in their life of unbelief.


11 posted on 04/15/2006 10:07:31 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: taxesareforever

Who knows????They could still find the gnostic gospel that says the 10 commandments are fake,you can cheat on your spouse Jesus believed in sex with kids and oh yes,abortion is really a holy sacrament in God's eyes.......


12 posted on 04/15/2006 10:11:57 PM PDT by fishbabe
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To: Arkinsaw
My thought of Judas was that he "hoped" that Christ would rise up, defeat the Roman government and establish his own. Judas, as one of the 12, would be assured a position of authority. I think Judas figured he was supplying the push that would get it started.
Peter got pretty brave in the garden for a moment when they came to arrest Christ. He took a sword and cut off the ear of one the High Priest's servants.
There are so many possibilities that can be speculated regarding what was going on in the minds of the 12 when they saw Christ run out of miracles by refusing to save himself.
One thing remains clear, those former cowards witnessed something that transformed their fear into strength.
If they said they saw a risen Christ and hadn't, we'd have never heard their story.
13 posted on 04/15/2006 10:12:21 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: fishbabe
They could still find the gnostic gospel that says the 10 commandments are fake,you can cheat on your spouse Jesus believed in sex with kids and oh yes,abortion is really a holy sacrament in God's eyes.......

They found that, they'd be ready for some ol' time religion. Of course, they already worship at the alter of do whatever the heck you want.

14 posted on 04/15/2006 10:19:29 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Lancey Howard

"...as written in Coptic, an Egyptian dialect that only a handful of scholars can translate. "

Egyptians had many gods. They, no doubt, wrote it to please their gods.


15 posted on 04/15/2006 10:24:11 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: bnelson44
Not too many people take gnosticism seriously.

Judging by sales of The Da Vinci Code, you're wrong about that.

16 posted on 04/15/2006 10:46:23 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: Lancey Howard

I have learned by experience that trying to bring new ideas to light on this site more often than not brings with it a massive barrage of insults and ramblings by mental midgets. There is another scripture that states verbatum...Mark 3:28, 29 "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemes of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will NEVER be forgiven; he is guilty of an ETERNAL SIN." So, Judas was just a man, a friend of the Son of Man, and a tool of both the Devil, and of God? No, he was just a man who made a bad choice. He was absolutely grief stricken at what he had done and could no longer live with himself and with remorse committed suicide. No one really knows what the ultimate eternal fate of Judas Iscariot really was, but is suicide really a one way ticket to Hell? No way, not TRUE!!!! Judas probably dangled, stuggling at the end of an increasing tightening noose with no strength to free himself and died with regret at not only what he did to Jesus, but also that which he had just done to himself. My belief has always been that Judas does not reside forever in torment. MORAL? Do not committ suicide in an instantaneous manner, as it does not give one time to realize that a greivous mistake has been made, or worse...no time to reverse the situation, call out for help, or to ask the forgivness of God. Nothing is as it seems to be, so open your friggin' minds and just try for once in your sheepish lives to figure out what is really going on...A wise man discounts nothing and is always open to new ideas and ideologies. So...here I am...FLAME AWAY!


17 posted on 04/16/2006 1:11:41 AM PDT by Birdsbane (If You Are Employed By A Liberal Democrat...Quit!)
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To: bnelson44
"These documents were written 200 years after Judas died."

Beat me to it. I was going to comment it can hardly be called the Gospel of Judas since it was not written by Judas, but by someone else 200-300 years later. Wasn't that about the time Muhammed was on the scene doing his thing?

18 posted on 04/16/2006 4:39:21 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: Lancey Howard

Happy Easter! And thanks for the post. We need to be reminded that Gnosticism is just as deadly today as it has been for hundreds of years.


19 posted on 04/16/2006 4:44:46 AM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want amnesty, muchacho!")
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To: Lancey Howard

Why is it even a question that any feels it necessary to answer? My faith has never been questioned by Stan Lee's writings either.


20 posted on 04/16/2006 4:50:24 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: Birdsbane
I have always wondered if Peter's betrayal was not the greater sin. Peter betrayed Jesus 3 times, while Judas only betrayed Christ once.

The difference I see is that Judas had remorse but no hope and thus hung himself.

Peter was remoresfull (The gospels tell us he wept bitterly) but repented and was restored. Even when all hope seemed lost Peter still clung on to hope. This is the way of faith.

We all fail God but our eternal disposition and our life here on earth is based upon our trust in his unfailing love and the atoning work of Christ. This is Christian life.

21 posted on 04/16/2006 5:18:53 AM PDT by jimhesson (Jeremiah 29:11)
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To: TennesseeGirl

Muhammad was born 570 AD at Mecca


22 posted on 04/16/2006 6:57:58 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Lancey Howard
..since the Garden of Eden, the enemy has sought fill mankind's mind with questions concerning what God has said...

Ironically the Gnostics do NOT "know".

An empty cross--an empty tomb--and a risen Lord--just as He said.

Jesus Christ: the only Hope in the world and in the world to come...

23 posted on 04/16/2006 7:33:33 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: TennesseeGirl
Wasn't that about the time Muhammed was on the scene doing his thing?

No, Mahammed was in the late 600's

24 posted on 04/16/2006 5:57:23 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: fishbabe

And many will continue to live in unbelief which leads to damnation.


25 posted on 04/17/2006 11:20:43 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: ModelBreaker

Do Whatever The Heck You Want.......Thats the religion that all liberals want....Thats why books and ideas like the davinci code,the gnostic gospels and such are big in a lot of peoples eyes...They really want the easy way out..Jesusu said,to take up your Cross and follow me...Not a big winner in most peoples eyes!!!!!!


26 posted on 04/17/2006 11:34:21 AM PDT by fishbabe
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