An extinct species that once was quite formidable. Think Napoleon, or even Lafayette for that matter.
Although technically Lafayette was not a General, at least in the French Army.
Posted on 04/15/2006 10:32:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker
Signature phrase of Marshfield candidate upsets Imam Talal Eid
MARSHFIELD - The slogan appears right below Steve Barber’s name every time he posts a message on the popular Marshfield Forum online discussion board:
‘‘Killem All Let Allah Sort Em Out.’’
Where other forum users punctuate their messages with quotations or song lyrics, Barber uses a contemporary riff on ‘‘Kill ’Em All, Let God Sort ’Em Out,’’ a war cry coined by U.S. special operations forces during the Vietnam War.
‘‘I figure we’re fighting Muslims. ‘Allah’ works,’’ Barber said.
Barber, 49, is a retired Army staff sergeant who, for the third time, is running for election to the board of trustees of the town’s veterans memorial park in the town election on April 29.
Barber said only one forum user has complained about his use of the modified ‘‘Kill ’Em All’’ phrase, which, like its predecessor, is used in some military circles and on T-shirts sold on the Internet.
To create a catch phrase that advocates violence toward Muslims ‘‘is just ignorant,’’ said Imam Talal Eid, former spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy.
‘‘We are familiar with these things,’’ he said. ‘‘Everybody wants to kill the Muslims. We express dismay at such a slogan.’’
Barber said he never worried about offending when he made the phrase part of his signature. Below it, he identifies himself as a ‘‘proud American veteran’’ and former commander of Marshfield’s American Legion post.
‘‘I spent 20 years in the military,’’ he said. ‘‘You see shirts (with the slogan) all the time. It never offended anybody when they said, ‘Kill ’Em All, Let God Sort ’Em Out.’’’
The original:
"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
or
"Slay them all. God will know his own"
was used in the crusades.
I like "Peace through superior firepower".
My understanding is that a French General, when asked by his lieutenants how to separate the Muslims from the Christians during the conquest of a city, were told , kill them all for God will know his own.
I believe it was Abbot Arnaud-Amaury...
Not a good slogan. It may be popular and humorous but that is not what the United States Armed Forces are about. We do not kill indiscriminately; we use skill, compassion, intelligence, and maturity to wage war in a manner far more humane than anyone else in history (contrary to what the modern media tries to present). And I do speak from experience being a Vietnam veteran and currently serving with the Special Forces in Afghanistan.
Of course the paradox here is that the origins of the slogan have to do with killing Christians along with Muslims.
"I believe it was Abbot Arnaud-Amaury"
Back when the ( Airborne) shirt was popular I used the description I posted, is that accurate?
You are correct. It was a churchman (Amaury) referring to Albigensian heretics during a siege in the Langedoc region of France. When asked how the soldiers were to know the difference between the heretics and the regular citizens of the town, he responded as you quoted ("Kill them all; God will know his own.")...
Bingo.
Charles H. better at history than I am...however, according to legend it was Barry "Ballad of the Green Berets" Sadler who made the t-shirt popular during Vietnam.
"Not a good slogan. It may be popular and humorous but that is not what the United States Armed Forces are about."
It's funny , things that are funny during a stressful peace, are not funny during a period of actual combat.
what is a french general?
Papal emissary.
"what is a french general?"
I like the French military,
but I cracked up when I saw that.
Amaury was a clergyman, not a general (though, because he was the church's representative on the crusade, he was nominally in charge of the army). The Albigensians were not Muslim; they were sort-of "Christians" (though only by their heritage... their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in).
their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in).
Damned hippies!
An extinct species that once was quite formidable. Think Napoleon, or even Lafayette for that matter.
Although technically Lafayette was not a General, at least in the French Army.
"Amaury was a clergyman, not a general (though, because he was the church's representative on the crusade, he was nominally in charge of the army). The Albigensians were not Muslim; they were sort-of "Christians" (though only by their heritage... their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in)."
And screw "the hippies" (I think they like that)
I love the internet, Thanks.
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Oh yeah a real freakin 'hero' advocating slaughtering millions of Americans who are Muslim. Hows this any different than neo-Nazis, KKK or the fundamentalists Islamists he so hates?
"Charles H. better at history than I am...however, according to legend it was Barry "Ballad of the Green Berets" Sadler who made the t-shirt popular during Vietnam."
Makes sense I think he had a successful series of books, he was a media savvy guy, and a good man.
A little trivia, the European troops were fascinated with those type T- shirts, they would trade much for them.
That looks like a tagline.
Better tagline:
Denuone Latine loquebar?
Hear, hear! If we were as bad as the anti-American media and academics say we are, the Muslims would all be dead, Guantanamo would be full of leftists, and the war would have been over two years ago.
Thank you and God bless you for your service, Semper. My children are being taught to respect men like you.
-ccm
And yet these same "American" Muslims would cut your throat happily given the proper circumstances.
It's incredible how much the PC ethic has infiltrated even our "Conservative" element.
To have a chance in this War, we must be utterly ruthless. A Lebanese Christian friend (Who is a veteran of their Civil War in the '70's) told me that only bad things could result from this War because we were too "Civilized" to do what it takes to decively defeat the Muslim fanatics.
He may well be right.
Well what says you won't cut their throat as legal Americans? I'm not sure what delusion made you think you're more American than others because they're practicing a different religion. Perhaps a Constitution will help.
The Slimes have no problem advocating the slaughter of the Billions of citizens of this earth!
Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”
" upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29
"Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12
This IS their commandment, by their gawd!
Engaging in a bit of projection there, Mr. imam?
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you for your rational comments.
I speak as a civilian contractor who has been working in Iraq for over two years.
And thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to our country.
Except of course, France didn't even exist back then.
Didn't iman marry david bowie?
He's the guy responsible for raising the white flag.
Fixed so that diversity loving PC crew will not stroke out -
"Bad Muslims will be get the mad dog eyeball and a stern talking to!"
WHAT IS A FRENCH GENRAL? thats easy, the one in front, (he who runs fastest leads)
Take the hint.
Perhaps not, but it may be useful in a "good cop, bad cop" strategy. As in "You learn to be nice with me. You do NOT want Bad Cop to be sent in. Really. You do not."
While I agree that is true today, there is the heritage of Curtis LeMay, and others, to consider.
When we occupied Germany and Japan, the populace *knew* they'd been beaten, and needed to straighten up and listen to what the occupying power had to say.
Doesnt the Koran say to kill all infidels.
I guess the problem here for the Imam is who is doing the kiling.
Sergeants, never get any respect.
Semper-Fi
Thank you for your (past and current) service to our country!
Donatism... is that the one where they keep saying "donate money"?
;^)
Napoleon was not french,
LOL! Actually, I think that is Televangelism (maybe Swaggartism)...
Or Charlemange who had many more victories but none as memorable as Martel's at the battle of Tour's.
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