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His online slogan: Killem All Let Allah Sort Em Out
The Patriot Ledger ^ | 4/14/06 | John Zaremba

Posted on 04/15/2006 10:32:54 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Signature phrase of Marshfield candidate upsets Imam Talal Eid

MARSHFIELD - The slogan appears right below Steve Barber’s name every time he posts a message on the popular Marshfield Forum online discussion board:

‘‘Killem All Let Allah Sort Em Out.’’

Where other forum users punctuate their messages with quotations or song lyrics, Barber uses a contemporary riff on ‘‘Kill ’Em All, Let God Sort ’Em Out,’’ a war cry coined by U.S. special operations forces during the Vietnam War.

‘‘I figure we’re fighting Muslims. ‘Allah’ works,’’ Barber said.

Barber, 49, is a retired Army staff sergeant who, for the third time, is running for election to the board of trustees of the town’s veterans memorial park in the town election on April 29.

Barber said only one forum user has complained about his use of the modified ‘‘Kill ’Em All’’ phrase, which, like its predecessor, is used in some military circles and on T-shirts sold on the Internet.

To create a catch phrase that advocates violence toward Muslims ‘‘is just ignorant,’’ said Imam Talal Eid, former spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of New England in Quincy.

‘‘We are familiar with these things,’’ he said. ‘‘Everybody wants to kill the Muslims. We express dismay at such a slogan.’’

Barber said he never worried about offending when he made the phrase part of his signature. Below it, he identifies himself as a ‘‘proud American veteran’’ and former commander of Marshfield’s American Legion post.

‘‘I spent 20 years in the military,’’ he said. ‘‘You see shirts (with the slogan) all the time. It never offended anybody when they said, ‘Kill ’Em All, Let God Sort ’Em Out.’’’


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: barber; candidate; imam; islam; muslims; slogan; steve; stevebarber; trop; upsets; vet; veteran

1 posted on 04/15/2006 10:33:01 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

The original:

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
or

"Slay them all. God will know his own"


was used in the crusades.


2 posted on 04/15/2006 10:37:41 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LibWhacker
Is there anything other than pedophilia, sexual assault, and murder that doesn't offend an imam?
3 posted on 04/15/2006 10:39:15 PM PDT by burzum (A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.--Prov 17:10)
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To: LibWhacker

I like "Peace through superior firepower".


4 posted on 04/15/2006 10:41:45 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: durasell

My understanding is that a French General, when asked by his lieutenants how to separate the Muslims from the Christians during the conquest of a city, were told , kill them all for God will know his own.


5 posted on 04/15/2006 10:43:21 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

I believe it was Abbot Arnaud-Amaury...


6 posted on 04/15/2006 10:45:24 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LibWhacker
‘Kill ’Em All, Let God (or Allah) Sort ’Em Out.’

Not a good slogan. It may be popular and humorous but that is not what the United States Armed Forces are about. We do not kill indiscriminately; we use skill, compassion, intelligence, and maturity to wage war in a manner far more humane than anyone else in history (contrary to what the modern media tries to present). And I do speak from experience being a Vietnam veteran and currently serving with the Special Forces in Afghanistan.

7 posted on 04/15/2006 10:52:41 PM PDT by Semper
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To: ansel12

Of course the paradox here is that the origins of the slogan have to do with killing Christians along with Muslims.


8 posted on 04/15/2006 10:52:51 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

"I believe it was Abbot Arnaud-Amaury"



Back when the ( Airborne) shirt was popular I used the description I posted, is that accurate?


9 posted on 04/15/2006 10:53:41 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: durasell

You are correct. It was a churchman (Amaury) referring to Albigensian heretics during a siege in the Langedoc region of France. When asked how the soldiers were to know the difference between the heretics and the regular citizens of the town, he responded as you quoted ("Kill them all; God will know his own.")...


10 posted on 04/15/2006 10:53:44 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwt! Lr bi mst hord, solce!)
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To: Semper

Bingo.


11 posted on 04/15/2006 10:55:21 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ansel12

Charles H. better at history than I am...however, according to legend it was Barry "Ballad of the Green Berets" Sadler who made the t-shirt popular during Vietnam.


12 posted on 04/15/2006 10:55:51 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Semper

"Not a good slogan. It may be popular and humorous but that is not what the United States Armed Forces are about."


It's funny , things that are funny during a stressful peace, are not funny during a period of actual combat.


13 posted on 04/15/2006 10:57:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

what is a french general?


14 posted on 04/15/2006 10:57:37 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Flavius

Papal emissary.


15 posted on 04/15/2006 10:58:32 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Flavius

"what is a french general?"



I like the French military,

but I cracked up when I saw that.


16 posted on 04/15/2006 11:01:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
My understanding is that a French General, when asked by his lieutenants how to separate the Muslims from the Christians...

Amaury was a clergyman, not a general (though, because he was the church's representative on the crusade, he was nominally in charge of the army). The Albigensians were not Muslim; they were sort-of "Christians" (though only by their heritage... their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in).

17 posted on 04/15/2006 11:07:41 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwt! Lr bi mst hord, solce!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in).




Damned hippies!


18 posted on 04/15/2006 11:09:57 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Flavius
what is a french general?

An extinct species that once was quite formidable. Think Napoleon, or even Lafayette for that matter.

Although technically Lafayette was not a General, at least in the French Army.

19 posted on 04/15/2006 11:10:32 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Napoleon was Corsican, Captain. Italian, actually.

France's last truly successful general was probably Charles Martel.
20 posted on 04/15/2006 11:20:51 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

"Amaury was a clergyman, not a general (though, because he was the church's representative on the crusade, he was nominally in charge of the army). The Albigensians were not Muslim; they were sort-of "Christians" (though only by their heritage... their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in)."

And screw "the hippies" (I think they like that)


I love the internet, Thanks.





21 posted on 04/15/2006 11:27:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Flavius
An illegal immigrant from Corsica.

L

22 posted on 04/15/2006 11:29:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the slave trade.)
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To: LibWhacker

Oh yeah a real freakin 'hero' advocating slaughtering millions of Americans who are Muslim. Hows this any different than neo-Nazis, KKK or the fundamentalists Islamists he so hates?


23 posted on 04/15/2006 11:33:17 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: durasell

"Charles H. better at history than I am...however, according to legend it was Barry "Ballad of the Green Berets" Sadler who made the t-shirt popular during Vietnam."



Makes sense I think he had a successful series of books, he was a media savvy guy, and a good man.

A little trivia, the European troops were fascinated with those type T- shirts, they would trade much for them.


24 posted on 04/15/2006 11:36:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: durasell

That looks like a tagline.


25 posted on 04/15/2006 11:38:53 PM PDT by bad company (Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius)
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To: bad company

Better tagline:

Denuone Latine loquebar?


26 posted on 04/15/2006 11:59:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Semper
we use skill, compassion, intelligence, and maturity to wage war in a manner far more humane than anyone else in history (contrary to what the modern media tries to present)

Hear, hear! If we were as bad as the anti-American media and academics say we are, the Muslims would all be dead, Guantanamo would be full of leftists, and the war would have been over two years ago.

Thank you and God bless you for your service, Semper. My children are being taught to respect men like you.

-ccm

27 posted on 04/16/2006 12:08:53 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: freedom44

And yet these same "American" Muslims would cut your throat happily given the proper circumstances.
It's incredible how much the PC ethic has infiltrated even our "Conservative" element.


28 posted on 04/16/2006 12:15:58 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: BnBlFlag

To have a chance in this War, we must be utterly ruthless. A Lebanese Christian friend (Who is a veteran of their Civil War in the '70's) told me that only bad things could result from this War because we were too "Civilized" to do what it takes to decively defeat the Muslim fanatics.
He may well be right.


29 posted on 04/16/2006 12:21:49 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: BnBlFlag

Well what says you won't cut their throat as legal Americans? I'm not sure what delusion made you think you're more American than others because they're practicing a different religion. Perhaps a Constitution will help.


30 posted on 04/16/2006 12:24:13 AM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
>"Oh yeah a real freakin 'hero' advocating slaughtering millions of Americans who are Muslim.">

The Slimes have no problem advocating the slaughter of the Billions of citizens of this earth!

Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29

"Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12

This IS their commandment, by their gawd!

31 posted on 04/16/2006 1:32:59 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say Ni at will to old ladies.)
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To: LibWhacker
The imam says: Everybody wants to kill the Muslims.

Engaging in a bit of projection there, Mr. imam?

32 posted on 04/16/2006 1:37:19 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Semper
We do not kill indiscriminately; we use skill, compassion, intelligence, and maturity to wage war in a manner far more humane than anyone else in history (contrary to what the modern media tries to present). And I do speak from experience being a Vietnam veteran and currently serving with the Special Forces in Afghanistan.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you for your rational comments.

I speak as a civilian contractor who has been working in Iraq for over two years.

And thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service to our country.

33 posted on 04/16/2006 1:55:48 AM PDT by Allegra (No mosques were entered or damaged during this post.)
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To: BIGLOOK
France's last truly successful general was probably Charles Martel.

Except of course, France didn't even exist back then.

34 posted on 04/16/2006 2:43:07 AM PDT by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: Bob

Didn't iman marry david bowie?


35 posted on 04/16/2006 2:46:16 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Semper
Well said.
36 posted on 04/16/2006 2:46:31 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Flavius
"what is a french general?"

He's the guy responsible for raising the white flag.

37 posted on 04/16/2006 4:16:46 AM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want amnesty, muchacho!")
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To: LibWhacker
‘‘Kill em All Let Allah Sort Em Out.’’

Fixed so that diversity loving PC crew will not stroke out -

"Bad Muslims will be get the mad dog eyeball and a stern talking to!"

38 posted on 04/16/2006 4:45:10 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Flavius

WHAT IS A FRENCH GENRAL? thats easy, the one in front, (he who runs fastest leads)


39 posted on 04/16/2006 4:47:16 AM PDT by jerryem ( God, we need a miracle, were is David Copperfield)
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To: LibWhacker
‘‘We are familiar with these things,’’ he said. ‘‘Everybody wants to kill the Muslims"

Take the hint.

40 posted on 04/16/2006 4:50:48 AM PDT by Flyer (Preserve American Culture)
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To: Semper
Not a good slogan. It may be popular and humorous but that is not what the United States Armed Forces are about.

Perhaps not, but it may be useful in a "good cop, bad cop" strategy. As in "You learn to be nice with me. You do NOT want Bad Cop to be sent in. Really. You do not."

41 posted on 04/16/2006 4:53:22 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: Semper

While I agree that is true today, there is the heritage of Curtis LeMay, and others, to consider.

When we occupied Germany and Japan, the populace *knew* they'd been beaten, and needed to straighten up and listen to what the occupying power had to say.


42 posted on 04/16/2006 5:12:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: LibWhacker

Doesnt the Koran say to kill all infidels.

I guess the problem here for the Imam is who is doing the kiling.


43 posted on 04/16/2006 5:29:16 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: LibWhacker

Sergeants, never get any respect.

Semper-Fi


44 posted on 04/16/2006 6:11:11 AM PDT by bentover
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To: Semper
And I do speak from experience being a Vietnam veteran and currently serving with the Special Forces in Afghanistan.

Thank you for your (past and current) service to our country!

45 posted on 04/16/2006 6:43:19 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
their religion actually resembled a more dualistic Manichaean sort of religion with a little Donatism thrown in).

Donatism... is that the one where they keep saying "donate money"?

;^)

46 posted on 04/16/2006 6:47:54 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: El Gato

Napoleon was not french,


47 posted on 04/16/2006 6:51:02 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: JimRed
Donatism... is that the one where they keep saying "donate money"?

LOL! Actually, I think that is Televangelism (maybe Swaggartism)...

48 posted on 04/16/2006 6:55:17 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwt! Lr bi mst hord, solce!)
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To: BIGLOOK
"France's last truly successful general was probably Charles Martel."

Or Charlemange who had many more victories but none as memorable as Martel's at the battle of Tour's.

49 posted on 04/16/2006 7:06:38 AM PDT by joebuck
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