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How is Your Voting Strategy Working Out?
Constitution Pary ^ | 11-02-2005 | John Leone - Candidate for New Jersey State Assembly

Posted on 04/16/2006 1:52:39 PM PDT by rodeocowboy

Question for conservatives who vote for Republican candidates every few years because the Republicans are the "lesser of two evils." P>

How is your voting strategy working out?

Since "conservative" Republicans have taken over the House of Representatives 11 years ago, the expansion of government has continued at every level. Nothing has been done to stop the holocaust of abortion. Gay marriage under the guise of "civil unions" is becoming a norm in our society. Our government continues in its Wilsonian tradition of globe-trotting and nation-building with the precious blood of American soldiers fertilizing the subjected nations, making them "safe for democracy."

Nothing has been done to deter the invasion of over 10 million illegal immigrants across our southern border. Taxation as a percentage of income is at record levels. Federal and state government debts are at record levels. The middle class of the American citizenry have the boot of the government planted squarely on their necks and continue to shoulder much of the monetary burden that keeps our corrupt governments breathing.

Conservative voters, I ask you again...How is your voting strategy working out? Have the "lesser" of evils advanced your agenda? (I really don't believe that this "evil" is lesser at all...but is merely a different flavor of evil. Much like choosing between strawberry or chocolate ice cream...the underlying substance is the same with the only difference being the flavor.)

I'm not asking if they have promised to advance your agenda (because I know their rhetoric).

I'm asking, "What has the Republican Party done for you and your cause?"

Words without actions are MEANINGLESS.

To use a quote from one of my all-time favorite superheroes in one of my all-time favorite movies (Batman Begins), "It's not what you are underneath that matters, but what you do that defines you."

In politics, it's not what you SAY that matters...but what you will DO once elected to office...

Until there is a paradigm shift in the thinking of conservatives, our nation will continue slouching toward certain destruction...Until there is a revolution in the minds and thought processes of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives who regularly vote Republican, there will be no legitimate change in our nation's course...Until the conservatives arise from their mental dormancy and slumber, our nation will continue to creep toward certain judgment.

Conservative brothers and sisters...OPEN YOUR EYES!


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Vote Constitution Party in 2006 when possible. Don't fall for another couple-few years of Republicans promising the world and delivering nothing! If you don't believe me, go to your local, Republican congress person's website and see all of the big-government programs that they support and brag of their support for!
1 posted on 04/16/2006 1:52:41 PM PDT by rodeocowboy
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To: rodeocowboy

Constituion Party candidates currently holding office include...


2 posted on 04/16/2006 1:54:47 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: rodeocowboy

I tried a protest vote one year.... and Bill Clinton got elected!


3 posted on 04/16/2006 1:54:48 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: rodeocowboy

I'm with you 100 percent.

Can't wait to see the hordes show up here telling everyone how wrong it is to vote anything buy republican though.


4 posted on 04/16/2006 1:55:21 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: rodeocowboy

Vote Constitution Party in 2006 and throw the election to the Democrats! ... Yea, that's sounds like a workable plan!


5 posted on 04/16/2006 1:55:30 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: rodeocowboy

I would rather see Roberts and Alitos being appointed then a bunch of Ruth Ginsburg clones. Oh, and at least there were tax cuts and some rational foreign policy. I don't want some UN butt kissing president.


6 posted on 04/16/2006 1:56:12 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: rodeocowboy
"What has the Republican Party done for you and your cause?"

Well, for one, they have taken the fight to the murdering scum in the Middle East. More than the Dems or some Libertarian fringe party would have done.

7 posted on 04/16/2006 1:56:44 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rodeocowboy
With eyes wide open, anyone can see that the Constitution Party is a loser.
8 posted on 04/16/2006 1:56:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: rodeocowboy

Vote Constitution in 2006!! We are aiming to get 1% this time around!! Woohooo!!!

/(Do I really need a sarcasm tag?) sarcasm


9 posted on 04/16/2006 1:58:13 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: frankiep

Uh huh.

Besides, I am frankly wary of rhetoric that utilizes phrases like "brothers and sisters"...

It stinks like something else.


10 posted on 04/16/2006 1:58:32 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rodeocowboy
I would but I'd still like to own my own guns in 2012.

If the D-rats take over everything in 2006 & 2008 I'm not sure that I would.

The D-rats would swear they have a mandate from the masses and the bloodletting on Conservative issues would be horrendous.

Guns about sum it up but it would be that way on any of a number of issues.
11 posted on 04/16/2006 1:58:40 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Pukin Dog

You're right, advocating strict adherence to the Constitution and reigning in out of control government expansion is so passe. /sarc


12 posted on 04/16/2006 1:59:11 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: bnelson44

Look, Democrats, Republicans, what difference does it really make? I'm through voting Republican just because they're not as bad as the Dems. In many ways they are, in some ways they are even worse.

Remember the Contract With America? How much of that was put into law? Which Party is leading the way in spending? I'm willing to wait and see how these two new judicial seats work out on the Supreme Court; but I'm not optimistic.

It may be that Anthony Kennedy will become the new Sandy O'Connor, voting the liberal party line in every five to four decision.

What has changed since 1994?


13 posted on 04/16/2006 1:59:26 PM PDT by kjo
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To: rodeocowboy

Seems to me the Jack Kennedy democrats were more conservative than George Bush Republicans.

Republican obviously does not mean conservative any longer.


14 posted on 04/16/2006 1:59:30 PM PDT by Toby06 (Make illegal immigration illegal!)
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To: Ben Mugged

Yup. Made that mistake as well. Not going to happen again.

Look, if some people want Italian governments, let them go to Italy.


15 posted on 04/16/2006 2:00:10 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Ben Mugged

So did I! Doesn't it suck when we have so few choices?


16 posted on 04/16/2006 2:00:18 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rodeocowboy

That last paragraph is strong.


17 posted on 04/16/2006 2:02:29 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Quick! Hide the eggs! Jesus is coming back!)
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To: rlmorel

Besides, I am frankly wary of rhetoric that utilizes phrases like "brothers and sisters"... It stinks like something else.

And illegal immigration, a growing welfare state, murder of the unborn, "campaign finance reform", etc., don't?

18 posted on 04/16/2006 2:02:38 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: frankiep
Oh please. Win something, then drop me a line. If your party were honest, you would admit that voting for it would damage the Constitution more than not, because Democrats would gain the power to destroy it. You folks should learn to play well WITHIN the GOP and fight for your goals from the inside.
19 posted on 04/16/2006 2:02:56 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache, so if mere words can anger you, it means you can be controlled with little effort.)
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To: frankiep

Vote Republican!


(we're not quite as bad as the other guys)


20 posted on 04/16/2006 2:03:19 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Quick! Hide the eggs! Jesus is coming back!)
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To: rodeocowboy

I voted for a democrat as township supervisor in the last election because he was the more conservative candidate and I'll vote for him again if he seeks a higher office and remains true to his ideals.

His republican opponent was only slightly to the right of Howard Dean.


22 posted on 04/16/2006 2:04:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Ben Mugged

"I tried a protest vote one year"

I don't do "protest" votes, they suck. I vote for the person I want to see in office. No more holding my nose and hoping against hope that the local chimp Republican will do what is right. If you want to see things keep going the way they are keep voting the way you have been. I'm sick of the pure bullshit our government has been handing out and am trying to do something about it. It may be way past the time voting will solve anything.


23 posted on 04/16/2006 2:07:03 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Springtime for Iran.)
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To: rodeocowboy
Conservative voters, I ask you again...How is your voting strategy working out? Have the "lesser" of evils advanced your agenda?

Ah...yes it has advanced my agenda. Perhaps not as quickly as some would like. However that little 8 year detour called Bill Clinton was the result of people who were too impatient to work the system. That detour really did slow down my agenda and resulted in Ginsberg, Breyer, a huge tax INCREASE and a stupid payola-based foreign policy that resulted in an increase in terrorism. The way to influence a party is NOT to make it lose but to make it win so it controls Government. Then kick its butt while it can still do something. A left wing ass is hardly going to feel a right wing boot. To the left feeling that boot is a badge of honor.

24 posted on 04/16/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Pukin Dog

Wow. That is an impressive twisting of logic right there.

Voting for the Constitution Party would damage the Constitution? Just what in the world do you think the republicans and democrats have been doing all these years? You can either continue to support the erosion of the Constitution or not. Good luck trying to get the GOP to change by working within their boundaries. But let me ask you something, if people refuse to even consider leaving the republicans for a real conservative party, what incentive is there for the GOP to change?

That ship has sailed.


25 posted on 04/16/2006 2:09:36 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: rodeocowboy

Bush actually did cut my taxes. Granted, not as much as Clinton did, but I'll take whatever I can get.


26 posted on 04/16/2006 2:10:46 PM PDT by ledgeacademy
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To: jwh_Denver
I did want my candidate to win. It was....wait for it.....

Ross Perot

27 posted on 04/16/2006 2:11:13 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: rodeocowboy

Most people here on FR I would think are of above average intelligence. Read this, you may or may not agree but they have some excellent points, especially about the balance of power in federal government, immigration and gun control. I can't agree with their position in Iraq in particular but I think we as a nation need to take care of our own and butt out of world affairs. I'm not yet ready to vote due to that but they are well worth the read.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php


28 posted on 04/16/2006 2:12:00 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: rodeocowboy

Someone who I can agree with 50%, 60%, or 70% is much better to someone who I agree with 30%, 20%, or 10%. My strategy has been working out just fine, once I realized that I didn't have to have everything I want in order to be happy.


29 posted on 04/16/2006 2:12:33 PM PDT by HitmanLV (Some people like to dash it out, but they just can't take it!)
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To: rodeocowboy

Of course the question he doesn't ask is: Third party voters--how is YOUR strategy working out?


30 posted on 04/16/2006 2:14:27 PM PDT by Huck (REINTRODUCE THE REID IMMIGRATION BILL!!!)
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To: PeteB570
...the bloodletting on Conservative issues would be horrendous.

It already is. It's time for conservatives to apply a little 'tough love' to the Republican party. It won't hurt the country that much if the Democrats take the House (but only the House) for a few terms.

31 posted on 04/16/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by Grut
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To: rodeocowboy
I can't argue with your philosophy, but third parties are a losing gamble.

I know, I was a big Ross Perot supporter in 1992.

The problem with third parties is they don't have enough cash to compete. And if you have somebody, like a Ross Perot, who is willing to put up their own cash, then you have to put up with their ego. And when their ego doesn't get stroked enough, they pull their cash out, and you're left with a bunch of disenfranchised people who were doing good work. Most of them go home and don't vote. The rest go back to the party they came from.

If you want to be successful (not necessarily happy, but successful) in politics, support GOP candidates that have your vision in mind. Find a couple of local and state newbies that have a conservative background and a constitutional outlook. Get behind them, and urge them to stand up for what's good and right. Hold their feet to the fire. Be their biggest cheerleader. Campaign for them, donate to their races. Get people to flood their campaign offices with phone calls and letters demanding they support your causes.

That's how to get the GOP back on track. Politicians listen to their constituents. If we create more noise than the opposition, we will be listened to.
32 posted on 04/16/2006 2:17:29 PM PDT by birbear (I took an IQ test and I flunked it of course. I can't spell VW, but I drive a Porsche.)
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To: rodeocowboy

In life the choice is often between bad and worse. Choosing worse, or allowing it to come about because the other choice is bad is not the act of a rational person.


33 posted on 04/16/2006 2:18:06 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Grut

Democrats: driving off of a cliff towards socialism and the obliteration of the Constitution at 100mph.

Republicans: doing precisely the same thing only at 75mph.

They are the same.


34 posted on 04/16/2006 2:19:21 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: kjo
Look, Democrats, Republicans, what difference does it really make?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

Republicans are anti-Abortion, Democrats are pro-Abortion, just to mention one issue.

35 posted on 04/16/2006 2:19:59 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: rodeocowboy

We need term limits so politicians won't always be trying to buy cushy lifetime political careers. That should slow down some of the spending.

I know, I know, - but your representative brings home alot of pork for your district - right?

That's part of the problem.


36 posted on 04/16/2006 2:21:44 PM PDT by alicewonders
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To: Ben Mugged
I tried a protest vote one year.... and Bill Clinton got elected!

Why would do a protest vote in a Presidential election! You do these "teach you a lesson" things during the off-year elections. If we go and vote for Republicans in this election, then they will think that their liberalism and/or spinelessness is condoned. Then you will have our party bosses pushing for McCain, Dole, or some other RINO like Bush to be nominated again.

37 posted on 04/16/2006 2:22:27 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: rodeocowboy
Assault Weapons Ban is GONE
Tax Cuts
2 Conservative Judges

What has the Constitution Party given us? NOTHING!

38 posted on 04/16/2006 2:22:46 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Grut
It won't hurt the country that much if the Democrats take the House (but only the House) for a few terms.

Then how do you expect conservative bills to be introduced into Congress? They won't get out of committee. Instead we'll see plenty of liberal bills that we can have the satisfaction of voting against and of course filibustering. Hard to score points playing defense... that is real points.

39 posted on 04/16/2006 2:24:18 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Pukin Dog
You folks should learn to play well WITHIN the GOP and fight for your goals from the inside.

Voting is a minimum duty as a citizen. But, that by itself is just turning over decisions to someone else and hoping they are as inspired as you on whatever issues arise. We shouldn't complain when whoever is elected fails to be wise, farsighted, and other versions of genius from the day he sits behind his big, new desk. As far as working within the party, money counts, and unless you are an 89-year old widow with blue hair and more money than the King of Jordan you need to be a candidate yourself or at least a grubbing campaign manager who makes deals without scruples if you want to be heard.

40 posted on 04/16/2006 2:25:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: rodeocowboy

fec.gov PDF 2004 election results

41 posted on 04/16/2006 2:25:48 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: rodeocowboy

One of the biggest reasons why we have just the "two" major parties is because they are terrific at playing off of everyone's fears. 'Vote for us, because if you don't the guys from the other party will ruin everything.' Never mind the fact that both parties will essentially do the same thing regardless, but at least it is "my" party that's doing it.

If people would vote their conscience, instead of the party line, this country would be much better off. Most people have become too indoctrinated into the "two" party mentality though.


42 posted on 04/16/2006 2:28:25 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: rodeocowboy
If the Constitution Party really wanted to make an impact, they would start by focusing their efforts on state level and congressional seats that are a lock for the Republicans, particularly where no dem bothers to run. If they won a few of those, then people would see how they vote on issues.

Running in districts where siphoning off votes would toss the seats to Democrats will get them nowhere. The only impact is to be a spoiler.

43 posted on 04/16/2006 2:28:29 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: rodeocowboy; Ben Mugged
Why would do a protest vote in a Presidential election!

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

Exactly, let's try this party out in some more localized elections, I realize their appeal is being for smaller federal government (as indicated by their platform and name) however, they need to start at the beginning. If they do well, perhaps this or something similar (a blending of the two parties) would be in order. I do believe this party executes our Constitution as stated, but many things have changed since then

44 posted on 04/16/2006 2:29:17 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: trubluolyguy

"(we're not quite as bad as the other guys)"

Maybe not but you stink a lot worse. Some moderates and maybe some two bit brained conservative might think the Reps would be more conservative but that hope is always dashed. That's why you stink more. We know what to expect from the Dems and we don't get it from the Reps.


45 posted on 04/16/2006 2:29:56 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Springtime for Iran.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Maybe you should sit out for an election or two.


46 posted on 04/16/2006 2:32:09 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Springtime for Iran.)
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To: PeteB570
I would but I'd still like to own my own guns in 2012. If the D-rats take over everything in 2006 & 2008 I'm not sure that I would.

First off, I remember being so frustrated with the same Republicans when Billy boy was president because they wouldn't stand up for us gun owners. In this election, guns aren't even an issue especially since Bush will still be president (a president with a message since so many votes went to the more conservative Constitution Party).

Second, we had better wake up the Republicans to its base in this election or we won't be able to count on the Republicans to protect our rights in the future.

47 posted on 04/16/2006 2:33:06 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: All

In general, I guess I don't understand why the Constitution party doesn't do several things:

1) First and foremost, why are they not trying to win votes PREDOMINANTLY from Democrats by limiting their drumbeat to DU and Salon? Are they not interested in serving all Americans?

2) Why are they not EXCLUSIVELY running candidates in lower office positions until they have at least 1/3rd representation in state houses? Isn't this the way to determine if policies appeal to people -- seeking to represent them where they live?

3) Until item 2) is achieved, why would the C party think it has candidates qualified to deal with legislative intricacy, or staffing expert in legislative intricacy?

4) Why is not the C party demonstrating that it is interesting in being a party rather than a spoiler by engaging in the sort of party building activities represented strictly by 1) and 2)?

Perhaps spoiling rather than party building is the agenda. If so, and in the absence of all of the above that is the ONLY possible conclusion, then these posts remain focus diluting vanities.


48 posted on 04/16/2006 2:33:41 PM PDT by Owen
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To: rodeocowboy
I voted for Ross Perot. I liked what he told me about immigration and NAFTA (remember the "giant sucking sound"?). The Dems stayed home and kicked Bush senior's butt. I didn't like what the Republicans were telling me and I elected to go with a third party. Since the Dems are too entrenched to even think outside the box, they won by default. I'll never make that mistake again.
49 posted on 04/16/2006 2:36:31 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (labor unions are socialism's shock troops)
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To: rodeocowboy

I've been pretty pleased with my Representatives and Senators, so it's been fine.

I've actually been relatively pleased with the House, as well.

The Senate has gotten on my last nerve, but it's far better than the Dims controlling it. President Bush has been good and bad.

I plan on getting involved in the Primaries in the future.

As for now, I see the Constitution and Libertarian parties as a waste. They're as relevant as the Greens and the Communist Worker's Party.


50 posted on 04/16/2006 2:36:45 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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