Skip to comments.How is Your Voting Strategy Working Out?
Posted on 04/16/2006 1:52:39 PM PDT by rodeocowboy
Question for conservatives who vote for Republican candidates every few years because the Republicans are the "lesser of two evils." P>
How is your voting strategy working out?
Since "conservative" Republicans have taken over the House of Representatives 11 years ago, the expansion of government has continued at every level. Nothing has been done to stop the holocaust of abortion. Gay marriage under the guise of "civil unions" is becoming a norm in our society. Our government continues in its Wilsonian tradition of globe-trotting and nation-building with the precious blood of American soldiers fertilizing the subjected nations, making them "safe for democracy."
Nothing has been done to deter the invasion of over 10 million illegal immigrants across our southern border. Taxation as a percentage of income is at record levels. Federal and state government debts are at record levels. The middle class of the American citizenry have the boot of the government planted squarely on their necks and continue to shoulder much of the monetary burden that keeps our corrupt governments breathing.
Conservative voters, I ask you again...How is your voting strategy working out? Have the "lesser" of evils advanced your agenda? (I really don't believe that this "evil" is lesser at all...but is merely a different flavor of evil. Much like choosing between strawberry or chocolate ice cream...the underlying substance is the same with the only difference being the flavor.)
I'm not asking if they have promised to advance your agenda (because I know their rhetoric).
I'm asking, "What has the Republican Party done for you and your cause?"
Words without actions are MEANINGLESS.
To use a quote from one of my all-time favorite superheroes in one of my all-time favorite movies (Batman Begins), "It's not what you are underneath that matters, but what you do that defines you."
In politics, it's not what you SAY that matters...but what you will DO once elected to office...
Until there is a paradigm shift in the thinking of conservatives, our nation will continue slouching toward certain destruction...Until there is a revolution in the minds and thought processes of dyed-in-the-wool conservatives who regularly vote Republican, there will be no legitimate change in our nation's course...Until the conservatives arise from their mental dormancy and slumber, our nation will continue to creep toward certain judgment.
Conservative brothers and sisters...OPEN YOUR EYES!
Constituion Party candidates currently holding office include...
I tried a protest vote one year.... and Bill Clinton got elected!
I'm with you 100 percent.
Can't wait to see the hordes show up here telling everyone how wrong it is to vote anything buy republican though.
Vote Constitution Party in 2006 and throw the election to the Democrats! ... Yea, that's sounds like a workable plan!
I would rather see Roberts and Alitos being appointed then a bunch of Ruth Ginsburg clones. Oh, and at least there were tax cuts and some rational foreign policy. I don't want some UN butt kissing president.
Well, for one, they have taken the fight to the murdering scum in the Middle East. More than the Dems or some Libertarian fringe party would have done.
Vote Constitution in 2006!! We are aiming to get 1% this time around!! Woohooo!!!
/(Do I really need a sarcasm tag?) sarcasm
Besides, I am frankly wary of rhetoric that utilizes phrases like "brothers and sisters"...
It stinks like something else.
You're right, advocating strict adherence to the Constitution and reigning in out of control government expansion is so passe. /sarc
Look, Democrats, Republicans, what difference does it really make? I'm through voting Republican just because they're not as bad as the Dems. In many ways they are, in some ways they are even worse.
Remember the Contract With America? How much of that was put into law? Which Party is leading the way in spending? I'm willing to wait and see how these two new judicial seats work out on the Supreme Court; but I'm not optimistic.
It may be that Anthony Kennedy will become the new Sandy O'Connor, voting the liberal party line in every five to four decision.
What has changed since 1994?
Seems to me the Jack Kennedy democrats were more conservative than George Bush Republicans.
Republican obviously does not mean conservative any longer.
Yup. Made that mistake as well. Not going to happen again.
Look, if some people want Italian governments, let them go to Italy.
So did I! Doesn't it suck when we have so few choices?
That last paragraph is strong.
Besides, I am frankly wary of rhetoric that utilizes phrases like "brothers and sisters"... It stinks like something else.
And illegal immigration, a growing welfare state, murder of the unborn, "campaign finance reform", etc., don't?
(we're not quite as bad as the other guys)
I voted for a democrat as township supervisor in the last election because he was the more conservative candidate and I'll vote for him again if he seeks a higher office and remains true to his ideals.
His republican opponent was only slightly to the right of Howard Dean.
"I tried a protest vote one year"
I don't do "protest" votes, they suck. I vote for the person I want to see in office. No more holding my nose and hoping against hope that the local chimp Republican will do what is right. If you want to see things keep going the way they are keep voting the way you have been. I'm sick of the pure bullshit our government has been handing out and am trying to do something about it. It may be way past the time voting will solve anything.
Ah...yes it has advanced my agenda. Perhaps not as quickly as some would like. However that little 8 year detour called Bill Clinton was the result of people who were too impatient to work the system. That detour really did slow down my agenda and resulted in Ginsberg, Breyer, a huge tax INCREASE and a stupid payola-based foreign policy that resulted in an increase in terrorism. The way to influence a party is NOT to make it lose but to make it win so it controls Government. Then kick its butt while it can still do something. A left wing ass is hardly going to feel a right wing boot. To the left feeling that boot is a badge of honor.
Wow. That is an impressive twisting of logic right there.
Voting for the Constitution Party would damage the Constitution? Just what in the world do you think the republicans and democrats have been doing all these years? You can either continue to support the erosion of the Constitution or not. Good luck trying to get the GOP to change by working within their boundaries. But let me ask you something, if people refuse to even consider leaving the republicans for a real conservative party, what incentive is there for the GOP to change?
That ship has sailed.
Bush actually did cut my taxes. Granted, not as much as Clinton did, but I'll take whatever I can get.
Most people here on FR I would think are of above average intelligence. Read this, you may or may not agree but they have some excellent points, especially about the balance of power in federal government, immigration and gun control. I can't agree with their position in Iraq in particular but I think we as a nation need to take care of our own and butt out of world affairs. I'm not yet ready to vote due to that but they are well worth the read.
Someone who I can agree with 50%, 60%, or 70% is much better to someone who I agree with 30%, 20%, or 10%. My strategy has been working out just fine, once I realized that I didn't have to have everything I want in order to be happy.
Of course the question he doesn't ask is: Third party voters--how is YOUR strategy working out?
It already is. It's time for conservatives to apply a little 'tough love' to the Republican party. It won't hurt the country that much if the Democrats take the House (but only the House) for a few terms.
In life the choice is often between bad and worse. Choosing worse, or allowing it to come about because the other choice is bad is not the act of a rational person.
Democrats: driving off of a cliff towards socialism and the obliteration of the Constitution at 100mph.
Republicans: doing precisely the same thing only at 75mph.
They are the same.
This is a rhetorical question, right?
Republicans are anti-Abortion, Democrats are pro-Abortion, just to mention one issue.
We need term limits so politicians won't always be trying to buy cushy lifetime political careers. That should slow down some of the spending.
I know, I know, - but your representative brings home alot of pork for your district - right?
That's part of the problem.
Why would do a protest vote in a Presidential election! You do these "teach you a lesson" things during the off-year elections. If we go and vote for Republicans in this election, then they will think that their liberalism and/or spinelessness is condoned. Then you will have our party bosses pushing for McCain, Dole, or some other RINO like Bush to be nominated again.
What has the Constitution Party given us? NOTHING!
Then how do you expect conservative bills to be introduced into Congress? They won't get out of committee. Instead we'll see plenty of liberal bills that we can have the satisfaction of voting against and of course filibustering. Hard to score points playing defense... that is real points.
Voting is a minimum duty as a citizen. But, that by itself is just turning over decisions to someone else and hoping they are as inspired as you on whatever issues arise. We shouldn't complain when whoever is elected fails to be wise, farsighted, and other versions of genius from the day he sits behind his big, new desk. As far as working within the party, money counts, and unless you are an 89-year old widow with blue hair and more money than the King of Jordan you need to be a candidate yourself or at least a grubbing campaign manager who makes deals without scruples if you want to be heard.
One of the biggest reasons why we have just the "two" major parties is because they are terrific at playing off of everyone's fears. 'Vote for us, because if you don't the guys from the other party will ruin everything.' Never mind the fact that both parties will essentially do the same thing regardless, but at least it is "my" party that's doing it.
If people would vote their conscience, instead of the party line, this country would be much better off. Most people have become too indoctrinated into the "two" party mentality though.
Running in districts where siphoning off votes would toss the seats to Democrats will get them nowhere. The only impact is to be a spoiler.
Exactly, let's try this party out in some more localized elections, I realize their appeal is being for smaller federal government (as indicated by their platform and name) however, they need to start at the beginning. If they do well, perhaps this or something similar (a blending of the two parties) would be in order. I do believe this party executes our Constitution as stated, but many things have changed since then
"(we're not quite as bad as the other guys)"
Maybe not but you stink a lot worse. Some moderates and maybe some two bit brained conservative might think the Reps would be more conservative but that hope is always dashed. That's why you stink more. We know what to expect from the Dems and we don't get it from the Reps.
Maybe you should sit out for an election or two.
First off, I remember being so frustrated with the same Republicans when Billy boy was president because they wouldn't stand up for us gun owners. In this election, guns aren't even an issue especially since Bush will still be president (a president with a message since so many votes went to the more conservative Constitution Party).
Second, we had better wake up the Republicans to its base in this election or we won't be able to count on the Republicans to protect our rights in the future.
In general, I guess I don't understand why the Constitution party doesn't do several things:
1) First and foremost, why are they not trying to win votes PREDOMINANTLY from Democrats by limiting their drumbeat to DU and Salon? Are they not interested in serving all Americans?
2) Why are they not EXCLUSIVELY running candidates in lower office positions until they have at least 1/3rd representation in state houses? Isn't this the way to determine if policies appeal to people -- seeking to represent them where they live?
3) Until item 2) is achieved, why would the C party think it has candidates qualified to deal with legislative intricacy, or staffing expert in legislative intricacy?
4) Why is not the C party demonstrating that it is interesting in being a party rather than a spoiler by engaging in the sort of party building activities represented strictly by 1) and 2)?
Perhaps spoiling rather than party building is the agenda. If so, and in the absence of all of the above that is the ONLY possible conclusion, then these posts remain focus diluting vanities.
I've been pretty pleased with my Representatives and Senators, so it's been fine.
I've actually been relatively pleased with the House, as well.
The Senate has gotten on my last nerve, but it's far better than the Dims controlling it. President Bush has been good and bad.
I plan on getting involved in the Primaries in the future.
As for now, I see the Constitution and Libertarian parties as a waste. They're as relevant as the Greens and the Communist Worker's Party.