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AK-47 inventor: U.S. troops in Iraq prefer my rifle to theirs
Reuters ^ | April 17 2006

Posted on 04/17/2006 5:35:46 AM PDT by jmc1969

Mikhail Kalashnikov, designer of the world's most popular assault rifle, says that U.S. soldiers in Iraq are using his invention in preference to their own weapons, proving that his gun is still the best.

"Even after lying in a swamp you can pick up this rifle, aim it and shoot. That's the best job description there is for a gun. Real soldiers know that and understand it," the 86-year-old gunmaker told a weekend news conference in Moscow.

"In Vietnam, American soldiers threw away their M-16 rifles and used [Kalashnikov] AK-47s from dead Vietnamese soldiers, with bullets they captured. That was because the climate is different to America, where M-16s may work properly," he said.

"Look what's happening now: every day on television we see that the Americans in Iraq have my machine guns and assault rifles in their armored vehicles. Even there American rifles don't work properly."

Some U.S. troops in Iraq have reportedly taken to using AK-47s in preference to the standard-issue M-16. The Cold War-era gun, renowned for its durability and easy handling, is plentiful in Iraq.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretzdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ak47; banglist; duh; iraq; kalishnikov; miktim
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1 posted on 04/17/2006 5:35:48 AM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

I think old age is catching up to him.


2 posted on 04/17/2006 5:37:38 AM PDT by Perdogg (The Opinions expressed by Perdogg are correct and should be relied upon)
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To: jmc1969

Those Soviets! They invented the best rifle in the world! And also the airplane! And the electric light. And the telephone. And the ...


3 posted on 04/17/2006 5:43:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: Perdogg

It must be the vodka effect. That thing was crudely made boat anchor. Give me an M14 any day.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 5:43:38 AM PDT by x1stcav (Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
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To: jmc1969

A friend of mine got back 6 months ago. He told me straight out the the AK-47 was better for urban fighting then the M-16A2 or M-4. The round has better penetration and stopping power. But the accuracy is lacking, but urban is generally up close any way.


5 posted on 04/17/2006 5:44:46 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: jmc1969

I would like to know the ratio of enemy killed by rifle fire versus air attack, artillery, etc.

If your goal is to keep them pinned in a building until the F-16 shows up, I imagine one rifle is as good as any other.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 5:44:46 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: jmc1969

""In Vietnam, American soldiers threw away their M-16 rifles and used [Kalashnikov] AK-47s from dead Vietnamese soldiers, with bullets they captured."

I have a friend who was in vietnam (danang, not sure where else) and I specifically recall him telling me he carried both m-16 and ak, but preferred the ak.

was this common then?


7 posted on 04/17/2006 5:45:58 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: jmc1969

Send me one of each and I'll let you know which is better :)


8 posted on 04/17/2006 5:48:15 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
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To: jmc1969

"you have not experienced Shakespeare until you've read it in The original Klingon."


9 posted on 04/17/2006 5:48:56 AM PDT by gilor (Pull the wool over your own eyes!)
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To: x1stcav
It must be the vodka effect. That thing was crudely made boat anchor. Give me an M14 any day.

yes but unfortunately the members of our military do not have the option to tote an M-14. they are saddled with that varmint gun, the M-16.

I would have gladly had an M-14 or my beloved M-1 over that .223 chuck gun.

10 posted on 04/17/2006 5:49:13 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Perdogg
"I think old age is catching up to him."


Aye!

AK-47 ... "It was first introduced back in 1947, based on 'asistance' from captured German engineers (remember the MP44) with some Soviet assistance from 'Mike' Kalashnikov."

Kalashnikov is a bit bigger, in his estimation, than many others think.


Just do a search on M-16 vs AK-47.




11 posted on 04/17/2006 5:50:18 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: WoofDog123

Any backup firearm is better than none at all.....


12 posted on 04/17/2006 5:52:10 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: jmc1969

I once heard the AK-47 described as 'the little black dress of assault rifles'.

In other words, classic.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 5:52:40 AM PDT by fragrant abuse
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To: TXBSAFH
The round has better penetration and stopping power

That's not true. The AK does not have better stopping power.

14 posted on 04/17/2006 5:52:46 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Vaquero

I agree. But keep something in mind. The M16 variants used today are a big improvement over what we carried during the 60's. Still not the best for open terrain, such as in Iraq, but not altogether bad either. We'll just have to wait for the new 6.5mm round.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 5:53:11 AM PDT by x1stcav (Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
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To: Puppage

Tell that to the hog I shot with one last season. Dressed out at 160 lb. A buddy and I were taking down our stands when we saw him, my buddy hit him 3 times with a mini 14 and the hog was still getting up. 1 round from an AK he went down. All rounds were in the flank just behind the shoulder.


16 posted on 04/17/2006 5:56:39 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: x1stcav

uh, the AK47 is vastly superior to the M-16. The M-16 has played catch up over the past 30 years. It might now be an equal to the AK47. The the Kalashnikov set the standard for assault rifle for the past 50 years.

Kalashnikov is not wrong.


17 posted on 04/17/2006 5:57:01 AM PDT by Franz Liebkind
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To: ClearCase_guy

"the best"...Laff, best?...No, but the most popular.. no doubt as in AK47.... Was Vodka thier thing?


18 posted on 04/17/2006 5:58:03 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: WoofDog123
Re:was this common then?

If you are assulting, and killing a lot of the enemy, taking their gun makes your audio signature on the battlefield that of an enemy.

This is great for hiding the sounds of your own shots among other shooting enemies, but it's terrible for friendly fire.

19 posted on 04/17/2006 5:58:48 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: jmc1969

Ok..

I carried both. I can tell you the ONLY way I would choose an AK over the A1 was after both had been "lying in a swamp."


20 posted on 04/17/2006 5:59:45 AM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Puppage
That's not true. The AK does not have better stopping power.

Actually, it does. It delivers more foot pounds of kinetic energy to the target than the .223 remington. The projectile, however, is slower and won't penetrate as deeply as the higher velocity .223 does.
21 posted on 04/17/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: TXBSAFH
Tell that to the hog I shot with one last season

I never said it couldn't stop.

22 posted on 04/17/2006 6:01:02 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: jmc1969

I know a guy who has an M14. Maybe the finest rifle in history.


23 posted on 04/17/2006 6:01:50 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Puppage

I talked to my friend adn he tells me also that the AK was a better stopper in the field. But if I was going in to combat I would want a M-14 for anything but urban and a 12 ga for urban warfare.


24 posted on 04/17/2006 6:02:55 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: TXBSAFH
>>>"Dressed out at 160 lb. A buddy and I were taking down our stands when we saw him, my buddy hit him 3 times with a mini 14 and the hog was still getting up. 1 round from an AK he went down. All rounds were in the flank just behind the shoulder"<<<<

Not doubting the stopping power of your AK but why would you butcher a feral hog that was over 200lbs at least, anything over about 120lbs is barely fit fare for a buzzard.

:^)

TT
25 posted on 04/17/2006 6:05:06 AM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Perdogg

No he's right. The AK is a POS accuracy wise, but it does hit harder, will go through walls that an M16 won't and will continue to fire in situations the M16 won't. For Urban Combat overall the AK is a far better weapon.


26 posted on 04/17/2006 6:06:13 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: WoofDog123

Yhe only AKs I saw were burnt by napalm.


27 posted on 04/17/2006 6:07:20 AM PDT by afnamvet
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To: Franz Liebkind
Kalashnikov is not wrong.

No, he's not.

Hey, we built the best aircraft, cars, computers, and the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of our vastly superior economy. But in this one case, they done good. The was and continues and the gold standard of assault weapons for reliability, longevity, and numbers in use.

So? Mikhail done good.

What's so hard about saying it?

28 posted on 04/17/2006 6:07:25 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: x1stcav

We aren't comparing it to the M-14.
An AK in a mudhole, however, is a lot more reliable than an M-16 in a mudhole.


29 posted on 04/17/2006 6:07:37 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To: TexasTransplant

Sausage meat. 1 part each fatty beef, hog, deer, with garlic, onion and cayanne (sp?0 pepper. Yum.


30 posted on 04/17/2006 6:07:54 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: TXBSAFH

Well.. after 3 rounds, a 22 could have finished him. Hard to tell at that point.


31 posted on 04/17/2006 6:08:23 AM PDT by Praxeus
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To: afnamvet

lol


32 posted on 04/17/2006 6:10:32 AM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Praxeus

None of the 223 rounds made it to the vitals. They were deflected the ak round went right through a rib to the lung. I remember tracing one the grazes off a rib.


33 posted on 04/17/2006 6:11:22 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: jmc1969
The model T of Assault Rifles:

It rattles and bangs but get get you where you want to go.

It is no replacement for the M-4 or M-16!
34 posted on 04/17/2006 6:12:17 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Puppage
Wait a second... you're talking 7.62mm Vs. 5.56mm (.223 cal). There is a huge difference and the 7.62 DOES have much more stopping power. Granted, the lightness of the 5.56 will allow it to hit someone in the shoulder and exit through their big toe, but one hit by a 7.62 goes down... DOWN HARD!!
35 posted on 04/17/2006 6:13:49 AM PDT by Mathews (Shot... Splash... Out!)
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To: Perdogg

actually he has a point.

Consider, his rifle may not be so accurate or long range BUT it is good for the soldier who is not doing maintenance or does not want to deal with the discipline of accuracy.

Consider how that region does not maintain the weapons they buy.


36 posted on 04/17/2006 6:14:20 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

It may be the better gun.

But freedom is the better philosophy...

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37 posted on 04/17/2006 6:14:51 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: jmc1969
Geez I thought he was dead. The Military channel put the AK and the M-16A2 up against each other in head to head shoot off. The M-16 won all around - mostly on accuracy. IMHO the M-16 is best all around but to complicated for many people. However, there have been days when i would of liked to have a 30 cal. weapon.
38 posted on 04/17/2006 6:15:26 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: WoofDog123

my dad preferred a shotgun best of all...at least while he was in Chu Li and Da Nang.


39 posted on 04/17/2006 6:15:40 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Praxeus

All these posts and not a single picture. Tsk tsk.


40 posted on 04/17/2006 6:15:52 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con, American Male (NRA))
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To: jmc1969

There's a story in one of David Hackworth's books where his troops in the Mekong Delta were reconfiguring a firebase.

The engineers were moving a berm around with bulldozers, and out rolled the body of a dead VC that had been entombed in the berm when the firebase was first built six months before. The corpse still held his AK.

Hackworth pulled the weapon off the body and fired off a round.

The success of the AK, especially in jungle and desert environments, is its ability to be filthy with grit and mud, and yet still functional.


41 posted on 04/17/2006 6:15:53 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: jmc1969

There is no other assault rifle that comes close with variety of add on options than the M-4/M-16 family. That provides multi-role capabilities and flexibility. Availible underbarrel options are: non-lethal taser rail, M234 Riot Control Launcher, 140mm Brunswich RAW HE Rocket, MasterKey Shotgun, M203 Grenade Launcher, and even more. There are also great options such as Beta C 100 round drum.


42 posted on 04/17/2006 6:16:20 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: longtermmemmory

"does not want to deal with the discipline of accuracy"

lol


43 posted on 04/17/2006 6:17:02 AM PDT by Praxeus
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To: WoofDog123
There was a time when the Army in it's infinite wisdom shipped ammo to VN that did not meet the design specs set out by Stoner. It burned to slow and caused jams and fouling. In addition, ALL M-16's were sent back to the States to have the breech chromed to make it tougher. When the correct ammo was used it was a very reliable weapon.
44 posted on 04/17/2006 6:18:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: G.Mason
he very loudly denies any German influence from the Strumgufger(sp?).
45 posted on 04/17/2006 6:19:28 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: jmc1969

In an accompanying story, the inventor of the Yugo claims that.......


46 posted on 04/17/2006 6:21:17 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Sturmgewehr.


47 posted on 04/17/2006 6:22:22 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Unfettered gun ownership is the highest expression of civil rights.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Yeah ... right. He is a regular Ruski genius.

And BJ Clinton didn't have sex with that woman.




48 posted on 04/17/2006 6:22:57 AM PDT by G.Mason (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Praxeus
Sounds like that hog got hit in the armor plate. They have a gristle patch over the ribs behind the shoulder. I have seen one take three rounds from a 30-30 at 75 yards and twitch. I finished him with a 7mm Mauser - through and through.
49 posted on 04/17/2006 6:23:42 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: G.Mason
lol
50 posted on 04/17/2006 6:25:46 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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