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March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War Documents ^ | April 17 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/17/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: jveritas

Danke................ John Kerry ought to enjoy this.


101 posted on 04/17/2006 11:14:24 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Oh, for the days when "disrespect" was just a noun.)
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To: eyespysomething; jveritas

WOW! Boy do I have to play catch-up today--lots of good stuff to read again!

Thanks for the PING and the incredible work!


102 posted on 04/17/2006 11:15:39 AM PDT by Shelayne (Antique Media--losing value everyday...)
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To: xzins

Final perimeter defense of the capital, specifically at choke points like river crossings. Collateral damage is/was nothing to Saddam Hussein.


103 posted on 04/17/2006 11:15:59 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: eyespysomething

Could I get on that ping list, please? Many thanks.


104 posted on 04/17/2006 11:16:16 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Too bad we don't have a free press to help with this...

The more facts that come to light the louder the MSM shouts "there were no WMD's in Iraq".

105 posted on 04/17/2006 11:19:00 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: All
General Rasheed Abdallah Sultan Assistant to the Army Chief of Staff- Al Mira

Anyone have info on this guy? A simple Google search turned up nothing.

106 posted on 04/17/2006 11:24:48 AM PDT by avacado
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To: xzins
"Chemical artillery rounds being shipped to Baghdad is an unusual thing."

Someone pointed out it could be they gathered them altogether in a central location to be trucked and flown out to Syria.

107 posted on 04/17/2006 11:26:55 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Coop

And we knew this a long time ago... The MSM are really pieces of you know what.

Try googling Sarin Iraq, Musturd Gas Iraq... any of them.


http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:f_6gENN-BusJ:www.state.gov/documents/organization/18130.pdf++nerve+agents+Iraq&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

Important quantities of anthrax, VX found: Iraq
Monday, March 3 2003 10:21 Hrs (IST)


Baghdad: Ongoing excavations have led to the discovery of important quantities of anthrax and VX nerve agent, Iraqi Presidential advisor Amer al-Saadi said on March 2.

UN inspectors have been seeking clarification for years of the whereabouts of such deadly agents.
http://news.indiainfo.com/spotlight/usiraq/03iraq.html


108 posted on 04/17/2006 11:27:22 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: Coop

Hugh Hewitt has this thread linked on his site..the owrd is getting out.


109 posted on 04/17/2006 11:28:07 AM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog

word.


110 posted on 04/17/2006 11:28:18 AM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Dog

I won't be content until Dan Rather is spotted making copies at an Abilene Kinko's! :-)


111 posted on 04/17/2006 11:29:11 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

What I mean is from one of those old sayings from the foxhole: "If the enemy's in range....so are you."

When we're 10-15 miles out of Baghdad, then his artillery isn't going to make any difference. At that point our air assault, tank, and bradley chem. capability makes chemical control of chokepoints insignificant.

He's consolidating and getting rid of them.


112 posted on 04/17/2006 11:30:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins
When we're 10-15 miles out of Baghdad, then his artillery isn't going to make any difference. At that point our air assault, tank, and bradley chem. capability makes chemical control of chokepoints insignificant.

I could make that argument about anything Iraq tried to do to stop our forces. But for WMDs to be effective (especially non-persistent agents), it makes sense to confine them to smaller areas. And the media would have ensured the public relations value of such WMD use would have been huge!

113 posted on 04/17/2006 11:32:11 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Spunky

centralization for shipping makes sense to me.

If they're going to use them in Baghdad, then they'll use them long before Baghdad.


114 posted on 04/17/2006 11:33:03 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: avacado; Coop

There is a General Rasheed married to Dr. Germ...a woman named Taha.


115 posted on 04/17/2006 11:34:42 AM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: xzins
If they're going to use them in Baghdad, then they'll use them long before Baghdad.

Why?

116 posted on 04/17/2006 11:37:03 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

Desperate measures to save Baghdad suggest a desire not to allow the desperate to develop.

Better to stop the enemy early rather than TOO late.


117 posted on 04/17/2006 11:40:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins

Realize their command and control would have been less than stellar, if even operational. They'd likely need to use WMDs at chokepoints just so they could have the correct assets in place where coalition troops would have to go to complete the invasion. With no air cover, moving the weapons after the war had started would have been extremely high risk.


118 posted on 04/17/2006 11:43:56 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Dog

That's the wrong general: General Amer Mohammed Rasheed al Ubeidi

"Rasheed was once involved in secret weapons manufacturing and Rasheed's wife, Dr. Rihab Taha, a.k.a. the notorious 'Dr. Germ', is the biological weapons scientist sought for questioning by UN inspectors just prior to the war"


119 posted on 04/17/2006 11:52:11 AM PDT by avacado
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To: RayRobisonblog; eyespysomething

Those are good points.

I can't provide a link and don't have time to look it up now, but I know I read/heard senior military folks involved in the defense of Baghdad who believed units beside them had WMD as the invasion was happening.

As far as it being a top secret document, certainly that would indicate that it was not for the benefit of the troops in the trenches unless he expected the people who saw it to pass the word down the line.

As I said, I continue to believe (and have all along) that the WMD went to Syria. But if these documents are going to be meaningful, we've got to consider alternative meanings and not simply take them at face value and assume that they are what the purport to be.

Particularly when so many of them are contradictory, we can't assume them all to be a smoking gun.


120 posted on 04/17/2006 12:06:03 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: eyespysomething

Look at the question in the post I'm pinging you to. Don't know if you have a chance to run him through your sources ... LOL (Lexis/Nexis)


121 posted on 04/17/2006 12:09:04 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Just some right-wing nuts, as far as I am aware. (/MSM_OFF)


122 posted on 04/17/2006 12:15:11 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Spunky
Someone pointed out it could be they gathered them altogether in a central location to be trucked and flown out to Syria.

You know, that would be my conclusion because I believe that's what happened to the WMD. But we know too that the invasion came long before Saddam expected it.

It could be that he was moving the weapons to a central location with the intent of distributing them to forces, got caught with his pants down when we did invade and then quickly evacuated the WMD to Syria ...

I imagine there are a lot of scenarios that are plausible.

123 posted on 04/17/2006 12:18:43 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Dog

This is the link to Hugh Hewitt's comments about Iraq and WMD.

http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/04/16-week/index.php#a001929

I have maintained for a long time that the REAL reason for the anti-american assaults on Operation Iraqi Freedom have little if anything to do with Iraq.

Even if Zarqawi has only recently given up on winning in Iraq, and the government will be formed soon, and Saddam will be executed soon, the REAL target of the anti-american assaults is the next war.

We see now the arguments against pulling an OSIRAQ attack on Iran's nuclear facilities include the "mistakes" in Iraq.

To quote The Right Brothers song, "Bush Was Right"!

The only open question publicly is what do we know about Iran, and what can we do to prevent them from going nuclear? Or it's North Korea. Or it's China.

The anti-americans want to prevent America from defeating the Axis of Evil. On the contrary, we must prevail.


124 posted on 04/17/2006 12:20:24 PM PDT by GEC
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Bimp.

OK, Clouseau, that's gotta be you!

125 posted on 04/17/2006 12:32:02 PM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
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To: citizen

Finally. LOL.


126 posted on 04/17/2006 12:35:12 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Self appointed RNC Press Secretary for Smarmy Sound Bites.)
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To: jveritas

Tony mentioned you on his show today. At least he is starting to get some of this information out.


127 posted on 04/17/2006 12:37:47 PM PDT by mware
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To: jveritas

Tony mentioned you on his show today. At least he is starting to get some of this information out.


128 posted on 04/17/2006 12:37:49 PM PDT by mware
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To: Dog

Word to your mother?


129 posted on 04/17/2006 12:41:27 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: SittinYonder

oh sure, I always look for the weakness as well, the only prob I see with this is it is almost too perfect.


130 posted on 04/17/2006 12:53:25 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: SittinYonder
"But we know too that the invasion came long before Saddam expected it."

That is not the way I recall it. We gave him over a years warning. That gave him plenty of time to get rid of the WMD before we got there.

131 posted on 04/17/2006 12:58:09 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: jveritas

More background http://rayrobison.typepad.com/ray_robison/2006/04/iraq_document_o.html

Update: globalsecurity.org

"During his 05 February 2003 presentation to the UN Security Council, Secretary of State Powell stated that "I'm going to show you a small part of a chemical complex called "Al Musayyib", a site that Iraq has used for at least 3 years to transship chemical weapons from production facilities out to the field. In May 2002, our satellites photographed the unusual activity in this picture. Here we see cargo vehicles are again at this transshipment point, and we can see that they are accompanied by a decontamination vehicle associated with biological or chemical weapons activity. What makes this picture significant is that we have a human source who has corroborated that movement of chemical weapons occurred at this site at that time. So it's not just the photo and it's not an individual seeing the photo. It's the photo and then the knowledge of an individual being brought together to make the case. This photograph of the site taken 2 months later, in July, shows not only the previous site which is the figure in the middle at the top with the bulldozer sign near it, it shows that this previous site, as well as all of the other sites around the site have been fully bulldozed and graded. The topsoil has been removed. The Iraqis literally removed the crust of the earth from large portions of this site in order to conceal chemical weapons evidence that would be there from years of chemical weapons activity. " [Powell]

On on 10 February 2003 a joint UNMOVIC team of 10 inspectors visited the Al-Musayyib Ammunition Depot, located in the province of Al-Musayyib (Babil Governorate). Inspectors questioned the site custodian about the number of warehouses and the number of new buildings at the site, as well as the types of ammunition stored there, the Iraqi Foreign Ministry stated. Inspectors reportedly searched the warehouses using chemical sensors and X-ray devices and collected samples from an 81-millimeter missile, the ministry added.

Al Atheer and Al Musayyib were merged into the the Motassim company which was part of the al Rashid State Establishment. "

Ray: The document lists one of the receiving depots as "Al Mussayeb" which is probably al Musayyib in Powell's speech.


133 posted on 04/17/2006 1:09:00 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: jveritas
You're amazing and need to keep up the great work!

Maybe you should get yourself an agent, who will shop your translations to publishers, and put ALL of them in a book. That way, the damned MSM would have to take notice and this news would finally get out. Just a thought..........

134 posted on 04/17/2006 1:09:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mo1

Many thanks for the ping!


135 posted on 04/17/2006 1:10:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Spunky; eyespysomething
That is not the way I recall it. We gave him over a years warning. That gave him plenty of time to get rid of the WMD before we got there.

I'm drive-by Freeping today and don't have time to look through the old PreWarDoc threads, but if you find the stories from a couple of weeks ago about the Russians providing Saddam with info just before the invasion of Iraq, you'll see that the Russians and Saddam were under the impression that we wouldn't invade until we had a certain unit in place.

When we struck, that unit was not in place.

Sorry for the vague response, but I assure you that we hit well before Saddam thought we were going to.

136 posted on 04/17/2006 1:11:26 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Coop; Grampa Dave; Allegra; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; Gucho; TexKat
Interesting reading, eh?

Now that's an understatement!!!

137 posted on 04/17/2006 1:13:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: SittinYonder; Spunky

Was it the unit that was supposed to go into Iraq from Turkey?


138 posted on 04/17/2006 1:15:24 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: RayRobisonblog; jveritas

The puzzle is coming together nicely!

Thanks for the Great work....


139 posted on 04/17/2006 1:15:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: RayRobisonblog
oh sure, I always look for the weakness as well, the only prob I see with this is it is almost too perfect.

As jveritas pointed out, regardless of whether it was a ruse to try to fool his own troops or an honest top secret document ordering the movement of chemical weapons, it absolutely destroys the left's "Bush lied people died."

Here's the proof that the WMD existed in Iraq at least on paper ... Bush believed they existed because Saddam wanted people to believe they existed. There was no lie.

This document is probably the most significant WMD document I've seen both because of what it says and, more importantly, because of when it is dated. Of course, the bin Laden/Iraq connection documents are the best in terms of proof that Saddam needed to be eradicated from this world.

140 posted on 04/17/2006 1:16:51 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: eyespysomething

That's my recollection. I know the stories are in the PreWarDocs list.


141 posted on 04/17/2006 1:17:26 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: RayRobisonblog; jveritas

The spelling of names...

Rasheed and Rashid.

Al Mira, Al Mirah, Al-Mirah, Al-Mira

Abdallah and Abdullah.

Are these still the same, even with the different spellings? Does Al Mirah mean the mirror?


142 posted on 04/17/2006 1:17:55 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: Coop

Great find.


143 posted on 04/17/2006 1:21:31 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Too bad we don't have a free press to help with this...

My thoughts exactly.

144 posted on 04/17/2006 1:23:58 PM PDT by bad company (Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius)
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To: jazusamo

Tony Snow talked this morning enthusiastically about the recent revelations. It shows that a number of our friends in the conservative media are finally getting the truth out to their listeners.


145 posted on 04/17/2006 1:29:16 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless

That's good news, I hope more of the media will pick up on it. Tony Snow is a friend of FR and jveritas spoke on his show one day last week.


146 posted on 04/17/2006 1:39:29 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: eyespysomething
These names are the same despite the different spelling.

Mirror is Al Miraya or AL Miraa't in Arabic.

Al Mira can be a name in the Iraqi dialect more rather than a common Arabic word. In each Arabic dialect there are 5 to 10% of the words, specially name of places, that are not not the same in other dialects.

147 posted on 04/17/2006 1:46:59 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: elfman2

Thank you. I hope that the word will go out on this documents and others.


148 posted on 04/17/2006 1:49:21 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Again Joseph great job.


149 posted on 04/17/2006 1:49:39 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: xzins
However in Saddam Regime the term "Special Ammunition" was exclusive to "Chemical Weapons".
150 posted on 04/17/2006 1:50:30 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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