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March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War Documents ^ | April 17 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/17/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: BagCamAddict

Thank you very much, I greatly appreciate this comment.


151 posted on 04/17/2006 1:52:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks, it makes it hard when searching Lexis Nexis or google!!


152 posted on 04/17/2006 1:52:44 PM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: beyond the sea

I am sure he will :)


153 posted on 04/17/2006 1:53:50 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Coop

Excellent point.


154 posted on 04/17/2006 1:54:27 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Dog

Thanks Dog. Great to know this.


155 posted on 04/17/2006 1:56:14 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; SeenTheLight

STL - you've GOT to check out JVeritas' work. He's translating Iraqi prewar documents and there's some seriously mind-blowing stuff here. The world NEEDS to know about this.


156 posted on 04/17/2006 1:58:24 PM PDT by Terabitten (The only time you can have too much ammunition is when you're swimming.)
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To: xzins; Coop

Saddam was planning a soviet style defense of Fortress Baghdad as in Fortress Stalingrad. He thought that the real fight will be in Baghdad where the US will suffer a lot of casualties there that will turn the public opinion against the war and force the US to withdraw. He failed miserably.


157 posted on 04/17/2006 1:59:42 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Bimp.??!!

Bimp? Is this a new entry in the FR lexicon of unique coinage, to join the infamous 'set your beebers to stune', 'what a maroon', and of course 'I'm going to take a shower now'?

158 posted on 04/17/2006 2:00:54 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: mware

That is great. Tony Snow is the only national Radio Talk Show Host that has been talking about these documents. I hope more of our guys on Radio will follow his steps. There are a lot of very important facts and TRUTH in these documents that can turn the debate about the war heavily in our favor.


159 posted on 04/17/2006 2:05:58 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: SittinYonder; Coop; Marine_Uncle; Grampa Dave; eyespysomething; jveritas
Looking for a place to post some info....

From (Highlighted Links available thru this Link ...):

Command releases JCOA-produced Iraqi perspectives report

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U.S. Joint Forces Command's Joint Center for Operational Analysis has completed the unclassified historical report of military operations conducted in Iraq, reflecting the Iraqi civilian and military leadership’s perspective of events.

Read the whole report | Read a transcript of the Pentagon media roundtable


By Jennifer Colaizzi
USJFCOM Public Affairs

(SUFFOLK, Va., - March 24 , 2006) –- Can history be wrong? Not exactly, but history can be distorted if data is provided by only one side’s perspective.

U.S. Joint Forces Command has released an unclassified historical report of military operations conducted in Iraq. The twist is that this historical report reflects the Iraqi civilian and military leadership’s perspective of events.

“Opinions are not facts; one data point is not a trend, and a group of data points from a single perspective isn’t going to convince anyone,” said Army Brig. Gen. Anthony Cucolo, U.S. Joint Forces Command’s (USJFCOM), Joint Center for Operational Analysis (JCOA) director.

So, how do you find “ground truth” in battle analysis? There are multiple options, but only one good answer, according to Cucolo.

“Ground truth is getting the red side, or enemy’s, perspective from red,” said Cucolo. “Looking at the enemy’s actions through American military eyes,” or even through the eyes of an expert trained in the enemy’s battle and culture, is valuable, “but it’s still a friendly’s view of red.”

The overthrow of Saddam’s regime during Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) provided an opportunity to study an adversary.

“It’s the first time since World War II, we had an opportunity to evaluate military events from both our own perspective and the perspective of the opposing political and military leadership,” Cucolo said.

“This means reading their documents, reading their orders, interviewing their commanders and civilian leaders and asking what happened.”

This two-year project of delving into the decision-making processes of the former adversary, started in 2003 and became known as the Iraqi Perspective Project (IPP).

The Iraqi military leaders wanted to tell their side of the story.

“Military professionals like to explain their actions, talk tactics, talk strategy, and give their view of what happened and why,” the general said. “You get in a room, roll out a map in front of a former Iraqi general and say, ‘hey sir, we understood you were here when this happened, what were your actions?’”

According to Cucolo, in terms of lessons learned, the historical approach implemented during the IPP provided excellent results.

“If I want to capture the most accurate history I can, I want to hear what you did and how you made decisions. I’ll get more through dialogue than if I go about it and say, ‘Where were you on the night of April 6?’ It makes interviewees inhibited,” said Cucolo.

The IPP team conducted more than 100 interviews; 23 with senior members of the former regime.

Interviews conducted by the IPP team included: Saddam’s personal secretary, Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as Chemical Ali, the secretary of the Republican Guard, both Republican Guard corps commanders, the commander of the Special Republican Guard, the director of military intelligence, division commanders and others.

To augment the interviews conducted in Baghdad, the IPP team also reviewed thousands of captured documents and the transcripts of hundreds of hours of secret regime recordings. They also mined hundreds of existing interrogation transcripts.

The initial classified report has been used in a variety of Department of Defense training courses, including Capstone, Pinnacle, and courses at the Joint Forces Staff College.

According to USJFCOM officials, the IPP report provides useful lessons learned that can be factored into ongoing and future operational planning against a similar closed regime.

Noteworthy items mentioned in the unclassified IPP report include:

• Iraqi regime belief that Russia and France would act on behalf of their own economic interests in Iraq to block any UN Security Council actions to authorize an invasion.
• Fedayeen Saddam planned for attacks in Europe (including London) and the Middle East
• Saddam was more concerned about internal revolt than a coalition invasion; therefore bridges were not blown, oil fields were not torched, and the south was not flooded – all part of the inadequate and ineffective military planning done prior to the invasion.
• Saddam and his inner circle believed their own propaganda
• Chemical Ali was convinced Iraq no longer had WMD, but many colleagues never stopped believing in them.
• Years of UN sanctions and coalition bombing had reduced the military effectiveness and usefulness of the Iraqi military forces.
• Military and ministry leaders lied to Saddam about the true state of their capabilities.
• Iraq military capability was also eroded by irrelevant guidance from the political leadership, creation of “popular” militias, prominent placement of Saddam relatives and sycophants in key leadership positions, and an onerous security apparatus.
• The regime ordered the distribution of ammunition around the country to support a prolonged war with the coalition, but not to support the insurgency or a guerilla war.

The IPP report is just one example of the work JCOA does on a daily basis.

“We fill a void. While services do a great job of tactical and component lessons learned and the Joint Staff does strategic lessons learned, we do the operational level,” said Cucolo.

Cucolo stated the IPP is a step in the right direction, but the directorate is still studying documents to further expand picture of regime.

160 posted on 04/17/2006 2:09:06 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: lynchaj; eyespysomething
Thank you very much, I am just your humble freeper :) The real heroes are our brave troops who are fighting to preserve our freedom and our way of life.

Eyespysomething is doing a great job in organizing these documents and making ping list.

Eyespy can you please add Mr. Lynch to the ping list on the Iraqi Pre-War documents. As always thank you very much for your help.

161 posted on 04/17/2006 2:09:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: RayRobisonblog

That is the same place Ray.


162 posted on 04/17/2006 2:10:17 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: nopardons

Thank you :) A book is a potential idea in the future.


163 posted on 04/17/2006 2:11:19 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Maybe Sean Hannity will pick these up, finally, and knowing he is a lurker hopefully he has noticed how important they are. His cartoon sidekick, Alan Colmes, should really go nuts over these obviously faked(sarq) documents.


164 posted on 04/17/2006 2:12:56 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot
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To: Coop; SittinYonder; Marine_Uncle; Grampa Dave; eyespysomething; jveritas
From the post #160 above:

• Chemical Ali was convinced Iraq no longer had WMD, but many colleagues never stopped believing in them.

165 posted on 04/17/2006 2:14:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: True Republican Patriot

I hope that Sean and Rush will talk about these very important documents.


166 posted on 04/17/2006 2:14:42 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: All; SandRat
FreeRepublic posting of info at post #160 by sandrat:

Report Provides Iraqi Leaders' Perspective of War

167 posted on 04/17/2006 2:19:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas

Hopefully each of us Freepers will diludge Rush, Sean, Britt, Ann, Laura, Tony and all the others on Your Most Important Work translating these Bombshell documents on Saddam's WMD's.Take care and Congratulations on Your Work.


168 posted on 04/17/2006 2:20:52 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot
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To: sit-rep; SLB; james500; FreedomPoster; leadpenny; Jeff Head; Squantos
Any chance any of you perhaps read thru the full Iraqi Perspective of OIF (Major Combat Operations) (UNCLASSIFIED)....referenced on the thread

would recall what was said regarding chemical weapons?

Or Special Weapons.....

169 posted on 04/17/2006 2:26:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: xzins
122mm rockets, 20000m.

122mm howitzer, 15,300m.

Could have been brought to Baghdad to be better guarded by the Special Republican Guard. Or, brought in for the gotterdammerung that didn't happen. Saddam wouldn't have worried over much about collateral damage in Shiite neighborhoods.

All our guys were in MOPP gear for weeks. Must have been some reason for that.

170 posted on 04/17/2006 2:42:07 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (When your mother taught you not to play with sharp objects, she wasn't referring to Occam's Razor.)
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To: SittinYonder; eyespysomething
I found these two articles and in my quick skimming through them I don't see any talk between the Russians and Saddam about the US not striking until the troops were in a certain place. Even if they thought that, they were still getting rid of all the WMD and the PALACE FINERY well in advance.

I know there is no mention in the documents that jveritas has translated either about the US troops not invading until they were in a certain position. The one document that jveritas translated in regards to the Russians had to do with them selling Mig 29 parts to Iraq.

BELOW FROM THE TWO ARTICLES.

"In December 2002, Russia’s Middle East envoy, Yevgeny Primakov (former Russian Intelligence Chief), flew to Baghdad under the front of making one last chance for peace with the dictator. As soon as his plane landed, it was allegedly loaded with “sensitive materials” and flown directly to Belarus. People speculate as to whether or not it was WMD, WMD equipment, documents, people, or things the Russians didn’t want the US to get their hands on, but in any event…the plane was loaded with things the US wanted. There is no doubt that the Russians did send GPS jammers to confuse American satellite-guided bombs, night vision goggles, special anti-tank missiles, and Russian advisors.

FROM HERE; In Search of Saddam Hussein’s WMD: The Russian Connection Part 2 of 5

Many of the Russian-made weapons procured through Syria's front companies-like SES International-had come from Belarus. After the fall of Saddam's regime, it was found that many of the senior leaders who had fled went to Syria and Belarus (sometimes in that order). If one asks, "What happened to all that WMD?" Then a finger can be pointed towards the former Soviet Republic at the very least for enabling the former leaders of Saddam's regime to escape and orchestrate an insurgency, clearly for removal of "sensitive items" from Saddam's regime, and very likely for accepting Saddam's WMD, WMD equipment, documents, and people.

FROM HERE: In Search of Saddam Hussein’s WMD: Russian Intelligence, Belarus & Highway 11 Part 3 of 5"

171 posted on 04/17/2006 3:10:59 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: SittinYonder; eyespysomething
Opps! and here:

In Search of Saddam Hussein’s WMD: Russian Intelligence, Belarus & Highway 11 Part 3 of 5"

172 posted on 04/17/2006 3:13:35 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Spunky

Here it is. The info that Saddam got from the Russians was that we would not attack until troops were in place in Turkey. Because that hadn't happened, Saddam did not expect the attack to come when it came.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603514/posts


173 posted on 04/17/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: True Republican Patriot

Bump for the truth to come out


174 posted on 04/17/2006 3:24:41 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Spunky

There's also this:

By telling Saddam that the main attack on Baghdad would not begin until the Army's 4th Infantry Division arrived around April 15, the Russians reinforced an impression that US commanders were trying to create to catch the Iraqis by surprise.

The attack on Baghdad began well before the 4th Infantry arrived, and the Saddam regime collapsed quickly.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602785/posts


Both stories are in among the PreWarDocs, though they are not documents translated by jveritas.


175 posted on 04/17/2006 3:26:29 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas; Coop

Hugh Hewitt is reading Josephs translation on the air right now....on his show.


176 posted on 04/17/2006 3:27:11 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: jveritas

I didn't do it, you never saw me, you can't prove a thing.

Now let's... moveon.org


177 posted on 04/17/2006 3:28:39 PM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: Dog; eyespysomething

GREAT!

BUMP!


178 posted on 04/17/2006 3:30:33 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Dog

Thank you Dog for the update. That is really great.


179 posted on 04/17/2006 3:33:07 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Dog

Is there an online link?


180 posted on 04/17/2006 3:41:48 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: SittinYonder
Thanks for the two articles. I should have remembered reading that one about the mole but I didn't :-(
181 posted on 04/17/2006 3:44:01 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: jveritas

Bump.


182 posted on 04/17/2006 3:45:07 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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Sorry, got to the party late...
Attaboy, jveritas! Don't burn out though. Make sure you get your mind off of documents and on to some R&R periodically.

Since most of the important comments have already been made, I'll stick to the lighter stuff by pointing out that you guys are all wrong.

SPECIAL WEAPONS ARE THE ONES THAT GET FIRED FROM A SHORT YELLOW TUBE!


183 posted on 04/17/2006 3:45:39 PM PDT by james500
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To: Spunky
Hugh Hewitt Scroll down he has a write up on this thread.
184 posted on 04/17/2006 3:46:47 PM PDT by Dog (We have had a date with destiny and Iran for 27 years---appealof2)
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To: Spunky

No problem ... just had to get home from work to find them. That's the great thing about FR. I forget three times as much as I ever remember, but someone else can always remind me.


185 posted on 04/17/2006 3:48:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas; Coop

Kudos, for the heavy lifting, JV. Let me second Coop's excellent point and add one more: Cross-link (read "footnote the Hell out of") as much of this as possible. The loony left won't buy in, anyway, but it won't be for a dearth of factual data exposing the cavernous divergence between reality and their perception of it.

Keep updated off-site backups of your hard drive volume(s) or, better, operate synchronized mirror volumes at multiple locations. Insurance against the "prone to sudden disappearance" characteristic of some kinds of information.

Ka-BUMP!


186 posted on 04/17/2006 4:10:26 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: eyespysomething

"The spelling of names...

Rasheed and Rashid.

Al Mira, Al Mirah, Al-Mirah, Al-Mira

Abdallah and Abdullah.

Are these still the same, even with the different spellings? Does Al Mirah mean the mirror?"

Hard to say, but many names don't have a common spelling even though many linguists use a common arabic dictionary.


187 posted on 04/17/2006 4:27:06 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: SittinYonder

absolutely, especially when you consider that there is ubdoubtedly internal Iraq sources that have never been revealed for their own protection.


188 posted on 04/17/2006 4:29:00 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

thank you


189 posted on 04/17/2006 4:29:48 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: jveritas
jveritas,

Is their any clue in the document what the 14.7mm and 23 mm shells were for? Were they actually called 'special ammo' or were they along for the ride as defensive use munitions?

I think they are too small to be chemical munitions.
190 posted on 04/17/2006 4:30:06 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: avacado

sure thing, it concerned me as well


191 posted on 04/17/2006 4:31:10 PM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: Dog; Coop; jveritas; SittinYonder; eyespysomething
Extensive writeup at Powerline:

Saddam's Archives: We're Getting Warmer
April 17, 2006

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As regular readers know, we've been cautious about drawing conclusions from the tiny number of Iraqi documents that have so far been made public under Project Harmony. But today, jveritas at Free Republic, whose translation efforts we linked to here, has come up with what appears to be a highly significant memorandum.

This is how he introduces the translation:..........

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See beginning of this thread or the link.....

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The apparent significance of this document requires no elaboration. Transferring a load of ordinary munitions from Najaf to Baghdad would presumably not require the approval of the Army's Chief of Staff; nor would it be the subject of a top secret memo; nor would arrangements for "special vehicles" be necessary. Hugh Hewitt writes:

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More at the Powerline Link above..........

192 posted on 04/17/2006 4:31:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: jveritas; RayRobisonblog; Dog; Coop

You guys need to see some of the questions being raised on the Powerline Blog,...see link above....


193 posted on 04/17/2006 4:39:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas

Interesting the Powerline readers say the munitions are too small to deliver WMD. Is there another meaning of "special ammunition"?

The 14.5 mm round was used originally for anti-tank rounds, though by the 1950s it was no longer effective against tanks but remained effective against other armored vehicles.

It's also a Russian round. Wonder if the "special ammunition" is what Russia gave them?


194 posted on 04/17/2006 4:39:43 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; eyespysomething

The first priority ammunition from the document is all large enough to deliver WMD. jveritas ... is there anything about the document that might suggest why one was first priority and one was second priority? Does the classification of first vs. second priority mean something more than what's obvious (ie. is "priority" a code word for something else or can it be translated in another way)?


195 posted on 04/17/2006 4:43:11 PM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is there a way I can log in at Powerline and answer some of the questions?


196 posted on 04/17/2006 4:43:25 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: SittinYonder
Why are they focusing on the 14.5 mm and 23 mm caliber shells which was listed as a second priority and not focus on the 122 mm, 130 mm, and 155 mm caliber shells that were listed as first priority and that were traditionally used to deliver Chemical Weapons. The Word "SPECIAL" in Iraq is not used loosely. In fact the Iraqi did a huge investigation of the AL Qadisya Air Force base after the UN found a file that has the word "Special on it". The Al Qadisya air force base and all military bases were instructed not to show anything called "Special".

Special Ammunition is not any other ammunition, what is special about 155 mm shells if it does not contain Chemical Weapons. The Iraqi used the term "Special Ammunition" exclusively to designate "Chemical Weapons".

197 posted on 04/17/2006 4:49:20 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: SittinYonder; Ernest_at_the_Beach; eyespysomething
The document was clear that the heavier caliber "Special ammunition" shells carry the higher priority for transfer and relocation.

Most of this 262 pages document is about spreading different types of ammunitions, and only this 9 pages top secret memo use the term "Special Ammunition". As I said before this term is not loosely used by the Iraqis it is a very specific term to designate "Chemical Weapons Ammunition".

198 posted on 04/17/2006 4:53:54 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Tarpon

Conventional air defense munitions.


199 posted on 04/17/2006 4:54:19 PM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop

Yeah I hear you, but is there any reason that conventional ammo would be on the manifest along with the chemical munitions? Seems odd that they were consigned the same "special" status, even though they were cat 'B'.

I was wondering if there was anywhere in the document that would further explain.


200 posted on 04/17/2006 4:56:40 PM PDT by Tarpon
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