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March 2003 Top Secret Memo: TRANSFER OF SPECIAL AMMUNITION (POTENTIAL CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Translation
Pentagon/FMSO Iraq Pre-War Documents ^ | April 17 2007 | jveritas

Posted on 04/17/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: Coop

good tie in


51 posted on 04/17/2006 9:22:31 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: jveritas
You, sir, are an amazing American hero!!!!

Many thanks.

52 posted on 04/17/2006 9:24:05 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: jveritas

Does anyone keep a PREWAR DOCS ping list?


53 posted on 04/17/2006 9:24:06 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If low-skill workers were key to economic growth, Mexico would be an economic powerhouse.-Rich Lowry)
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To: Choose Ye This Day; jveritas
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/isg-final-report_vol1_rsi-06.htm

The 2nd RG Corps had chemical defense battalions, according to the former Al Quds Forces Chief-of-Staff, but these battalions left their equipment in their barracks during Operation Iraqi Freedom because the corps commander was confident the Coalition would not use CBW against Iraq. They probably would have retained this equipment had the commanders envisioned using CBW munitions in the 2nd RG Corps.

The RG did not use its special ammunition distribution system before either the Gulf war or Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to a former senior Iraqi artillery officer. This system—specialized chemical battalions; replacement of company drivers with chemical battalion drivers and ammunition handlers; and use of special MIC depots—had served it well during the Iran-Iraq war. The source commented that all systems broke down and there was no chemical ammunition distribution system during OIF. Even if units had received chemical ammunition, they would have buried it, not fired it.
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Interesting reading, eh?

54 posted on 04/17/2006 9:25:11 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: slowhand520

I hope that truth come out regarding these documents.


55 posted on 04/17/2006 9:31:34 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; Txsleuth; Peach; ...
Wow jveritas! This one's a biggie!!

Transfer of SPECIAL AMMUNITION a day before the war began. Saddam Regime always designated CHEMICAL WEAPONS as SPECIAL AMMUNITION.

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Please add the keyword prewardocs to any articles pertaining to this subject.

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56 posted on 04/17/2006 9:32:39 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: jveritas

It should be noted that the US uses the term "special" to refer to nuclear weapons.


57 posted on 04/17/2006 9:36:52 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: jveritas; All

The remaining pages of this 9 pages top secret memo talk about getting the special vehicles to transfer....."

SPECIAL VEHICLES? Any possibility that this is a reference to those trucks that were thought to be chem labs?


58 posted on 04/17/2006 9:39:37 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: Choose Ye This Day

I do.


59 posted on 04/17/2006 9:42:08 AM PDT by eyespysomething (American liberals like everything about the struggle for freedom except the struggle.)
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To: eyespysomething; jveritas; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the ping and the excellent work you are doing re organizing jveritas great translations.


60 posted on 04/17/2006 9:43:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Coop

That is very interesting. Again we see in this article that you just posted that the term "SPECIAL AMMUNITION" is a substitute for "CHEMICAL WEAPONS".


61 posted on 04/17/2006 9:44:46 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks again jveritas.

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62 posted on 04/17/2006 9:46:30 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: Kimberly GG

I think that the specialized vehicles to transfer the Special Ammuntion may have be heavy load trucks with some special features.


63 posted on 04/17/2006 9:47:47 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: avacado

I checked out the timeline because that occured to me when I saw this. The mustard gas shells were destroyed late feb early march. This does not appear to be a batch that was handed over to the UN. It does not fit in the timeline. More at http://rayrobison.typepad.com/ray_robison/2006/04/iraq_document_o.html


64 posted on 04/17/2006 9:47:49 AM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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To: Grampa Dave

Thank you very much GD.


65 posted on 04/17/2006 9:48:27 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
Again we see in this article that you just posted that the term "SPECIAL AMMUNITION" is a substitute for "CHEMICAL WEAPONS".

Yep, with the source attributable to an Iraqi military member.

Just trying to come up with some background and corroborating information. You don't need to prove anything to me and many others, but let's face it. To a lotta folks who don't speak Arabic you're just some guy on a conservative forum. :-) So the more of your translations we can tie to known info, the better.

66 posted on 04/17/2006 9:49:21 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
So the more of your translations we can tie to known info, the better.

Agreed 100%. Thank you very much for doing these valuable researches.

67 posted on 04/17/2006 9:52:19 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thanx for your work.


68 posted on 04/17/2006 9:54:12 AM PDT by Once-Ler (Beware conservatives whose political consistency dictates all Presidents must be impeached.)
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To: jveritas

You're welcome, but mine isn't the valuable part. :-) When you come down to D.C. to brief the President and Sec. Rumsfeld, I'll buy you a steak dinner!


69 posted on 04/17/2006 9:55:08 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: jveritas

The war started on March 19, 2003. Did the Iraqis have time to move this stuff before we got there?


70 posted on 04/17/2006 9:56:02 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Coop

LOL... If this ever happens ( just dreaming :) ) I am the one who will buy you a very nice dinner :).


71 posted on 04/17/2006 9:59:10 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

Thank you, my friend. You are doing the hard part and the brave part by translating these letters and posting them.

The rest of us can do our minor role in helping to get the word out re your translations.


72 posted on 04/17/2006 10:00:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: PLMerite

That is very possible. They had at least three days to do it.


73 posted on 04/17/2006 10:04:05 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: RayRobisonblog

Thanks Ray.


74 posted on 04/17/2006 10:05:05 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

bttt


75 posted on 04/17/2006 10:06:16 AM PDT by Chuck54
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To: jveritas

Very interesting find.


76 posted on 04/17/2006 10:10:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: roaddog727

CIA reads FreeRepublic to keep up to date ;)


77 posted on 04/17/2006 10:19:07 AM PDT by Sender (“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.” – Old Chinese proverb)
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To: Sender

One can only hope.


78 posted on 04/17/2006 10:23:54 AM PDT by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: avacado; jveritas
" It's no surprise that Saddam may have still had some left and that the UN inspectors did not get them all."
Remember, as our units where advancing on Baghdad, Saddam per L/MSM had TV reports, quick statement, not meant as analysis at that point, simply relaying news coming out of Iraq, to use bio/chem weapons against advancing US forces.
I am not trying to push the point, but perhaps they had enough stuff left at some of the special bunker areas, and Saddam gave permission for it's use against the invaders. If one considers the time line of this document, March 16 till April 14 2003.
It coincides with the opening days of the air bombardment of Baghdad and ends with the last day of official combat in Iraq where the 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized) had crossed the Iraq/Kuwait border to begin stability and support operations in Iraq.
Thanks again jveritas for your continued willingness to translate these documents.
79 posted on 04/17/2006 10:35:31 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: eyespysomething; jveritas

Just playing devil's advocate, I think I remembered reading that Iraqi generals, even when the war was afoot, kept waiting for and expecting chemical weapons were going to be deployed to them.

I know I heard an interview with an Iraqi soldier of some rank involved in the defense of Baghdad who said that his unit didn't have chemical weapons, but that he was told the unit next to him did.

It's possible that to get his soldiers to stand in place, Saddam was issuing orders about non-existent weapons to convince his troops and their commanders that the WMD were on the way and would give them the ability to fight the Americans.

While I continue to believe that jveritas is finding evidence of the WMD and I continue to believe it will ultimately point east to Syria, I think it's necessary for the purpose of debate to look at these documents from the POV that there were no WMD (ie. if he didn't have WMD, why did he produce documents saying he did).


80 posted on 04/17/2006 10:38:47 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas

ping/bump


81 posted on 04/17/2006 10:40:38 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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PING


82 posted on 04/17/2006 10:43:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Sender

Probably only the occasional 'Rouge' Republican. The rest are content to just makeup whatever will make the 'Bush-Hitler-Neo-Con Scum' look bad. /s


83 posted on 04/17/2006 10:43:36 AM PDT by NAVY84
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To: SittinYonder
if he didn't have WMD, why did he produce documents saying he did

Exactly true, and liberals and their media are spewing their lies by saying that President Bush lied to get us into the war when a document in March 16 2003 is still taking about SPECIAL AMMUNITION i.e. CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Even if Saddam did not have the stocks of WMD then he certainly made the biggest deception of all times to make everyone believe he had them including his generals who were writing top secret memo on where to move the WMD one day before the war started.

84 posted on 04/17/2006 10:47:30 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I thought the whole point of posting those documents publicly was so people would translate them and help out. So I'm sure they WANT to have you forward these translations to them. Obviously tell them who you are and what your background is (native Arabic speaker, etc.) so they take your correspondence seriously. Followup with phone calls until you get to talk to a specific Agent. Start by asking for the duty officer... tell them who you are and what you're doing and ask to be assigned to an Agent who is working on this stuff. They will check you and your background out to see if you're legitimate, etc. You should also check out the Agent they assign to you, to make sure it's not a Junior Agent who has no standing... make sure you get a good Agent who (a) takes you seriously, (b) has some standing/power in the agency, (c) can put you on the payroll, and (d) can offer you protection when/if that becomes necessary.


85 posted on 04/17/2006 10:47:54 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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To: Izzy Dunne

"Too bad we don't have a free press to help with this."

True. But we do have a Republican president who can hold press conferences that get quite a bit of coverage. Where is this guy?


86 posted on 04/17/2006 10:49:38 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Coop

I wonder if this is a transfer approval for ammunition including special ammunition in artillery size, and conventional ammunition in AA size. I'm not aware of chemical weapons in 23mm or 14.5mm.


87 posted on 04/17/2006 10:49:38 AM PDT by ex-NFO
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To: jveritas
Even if Saddam did not have the stocks of WMD then he certainly made the biggest deception of all times to make everyone believe he had them including his generals who were writing top secret memo on where to move the WMD one day before the war started.

That's absolutely right. If nothing else, these documents absolutely destroy the "Bush lied" claim ... there was every reason to believe that Saddam had WMD. And when so many had accepted as fact that there were no WMD, the documents now make it a question again.

As always, thanks for what you're doing.

88 posted on 04/17/2006 10:50:12 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: jveritas

I'll be dammed. March 2003!
Thanks again jveritas!


89 posted on 04/17/2006 10:51:43 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: jveritas; Tony Snow

I hope someone has *pinged* you Snowman !:-)


90 posted on 04/17/2006 10:53:18 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (She left suds in the bucket, And the clothes hangin' out on the line)
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To: ex-NFO
I wonder if this is a transfer approval for ammunition including special ammunition in artillery size, and conventional ammunition in AA size. I'm not aware of chemical weapons in 23mm or 14.5mm.

Which would explain the two different levels of priority.

91 posted on 04/17/2006 10:54:15 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: BagCamAddict
Thank you very much for the advice.

I will try to do this but for sure I am going to keep translating and working on these documents for free. I owe this great USA everything and no matter what I do I cannot pay back my debt to this greatest nation in history of mankind.

92 posted on 04/17/2006 10:55:25 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: strategofr; jveritas; Jim Robinson
True. But we do have a Republican president who can hold press conferences that get quite a bit of coverage. Where is this guy?

He'd be a fool to hold a press conference based on unconfirmed reports from a political website. With all due respect to JV and JimRob. :-)

93 posted on 04/17/2006 10:56:35 AM PDT by Coop (Proud founding member of GCA - Gruntled Conservatives of America)
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To: Coop
I agree 100% that all the content of these documents need to be investigated. I am absolutely sure that these documents are authentic, and for the President to build a case based on these documents more investigation need to be done. These documents can change the political debate to our favor and in a big way.
94 posted on 04/17/2006 11:01:16 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas; Cannoneer No. 4; Calpernia

The US also uses the term "special weapons."

Chemical artillery rounds being shipped to Baghdad is an unusual thing. There is no way that they would be used there. The range of the tubes is what: 10 to 15 miles at the most?

Why would anyone disperse chemical agent in that proximity to a major metropolitan area?


95 posted on 04/17/2006 11:03:04 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: tcrlaf

--- How do we get ANYBODY to notice this??

This is a HUGE smoking gun!
The Media will spend DAYS covering unprovable, unverifiable memos, but we can't get them to say ANYTHING about the FACTS coming out?? ---

By now it's obvious, most of the media are an arm of the DNC and will bury these stories. The people to contact would be the "good" media, such as Steve Hayes at the Weekly Standard, or your congresspersons (if they have brains).


96 posted on 04/17/2006 11:04:32 AM PDT by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jveritas

I think that's your best find in this translation so far Jveritas! Thank you!


97 posted on 04/17/2006 11:08:05 AM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: RayRobisonblog
Ray, thanks for the clarification of time lines and batches.
98 posted on 04/17/2006 11:10:41 AM PDT by avacado
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To: jveritas

If only half of the born-Americans were as Patriotic as you are. You're an inspiration. Thank you for all you are doing.


99 posted on 04/17/2006 11:10:54 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims - human and animal - of Katrina and Rita)
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To: SittinYonder

Just playing devil's advocate, I think I remembered reading that Iraqi generals, even when the war was afoot, kept waiting for and expecting chemical weapons were going to be deployed to them.

"I know I heard an interview with an Iraqi soldier of some rank involved in the defense of Baghdad who said that his unit didn't have chemical weapons, but that he was told the unit next to him did.

It's possible that to get his soldiers to stand in place, Saddam was issuing orders about non-existent weapons to convince his troops and their commanders that the WMD were on the way and would give them the ability to fight the Americans."

I thought about this as well. The problem is that this memo doesn't fit that scenario. The time line as I understand it is that the generals were told before this document that they had no WMD. "By December, Saddam was informing senior generals in secret meetings that Iraq truly had no chemical or biological arms, U.S. investigators later learned. Baghdad's troops would have to fight without them." http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-09-02-WMD-indepth_x.htm



Also, I can think of a lot of better ways to create a false impression than this. First off, it is a Top Secret memo from to move weapons from one depot to another. If I wanted to create a false impression for my troops, I think something like "deploy the WMD to the forces" would make a lot more sense.


100 posted on 04/17/2006 11:14:10 AM PDT by RayRobisonblog
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