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A Flood of Mexicans
Haaretz ^ | 4/17/2006 | Shmuel Rosner

Posted on 04/17/2006 11:56:08 AM PDT by blueminnesota

Half a million infiltrators a year - this is the prevailing estimate. Half a million make their way almost openly across the porous border between Mexico and the United States and cross the desert to Los Angeles. Twelve million Mexican immigrants are living in America illegally. The irony is that the Promised Land to which they are coming will perhaps no longer be one if they continue to come. Their immigration brings with it an individual promise, but also the seeds of a collective calamity. The absorbing country - the slow, convoluted, bureaucratic giant - is not capable of dealing with the stunning flood.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; infiltrators; mexicanhaters; mexico
Interesting comment on USA from Israeli paper. Don't think it's been posted before.
1 posted on 04/17/2006 11:56:10 AM PDT by blueminnesota
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To: blueminnesota

"Half a million infiltrators a year.."

Interesting that they use "infiltrators" and our press uses "undocumented workers".


2 posted on 04/17/2006 12:01:17 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (This line intentionally left blank)
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To: blueminnesota
In 1986 they said it was one million illegals living in the US, but it turned out to be 3 million. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when it turns out to be 33 million.

I live in an affluent county, and Saturday afternoon at Sam's it looked like Mexico, with 85% of the customers being Hispanic.
3 posted on 04/17/2006 12:06:20 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: blueminnesota

Israel isn't as PC as msm.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 12:07:35 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: GarySpFc

With the figures the msm puts out, it's 1 illegal to every 30 Americans (adult and child). You're right, the number could very well be much worse.


5 posted on 04/17/2006 12:09:56 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn
With the figures the msm puts out, it's 1 illegal to every 30 Americans (adult and child). You're right, the number could very well be much worse.

It likely is worse. I have seen the invasion of the illegals take over where I live and it is so annoying that our media promotes it along with our government. We want California back for legal Americans. Illegal seems to mean nothing in this instance and it is killing our economy and our freedoms.

6 posted on 04/17/2006 12:14:57 PM PDT by TheresaKett
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To: blueminnesota
The irony is that the Promised Land to which they are coming will perhaps no longer be one if they continue to come. Their [illegal] immigration brings with it an individual promise, but also the seeds of a collective calamity. The absorbing country - the slow, convoluted, bureaucratic giant - is not capable of dealing with the stunning flood.

Which is why we have immigration laws in the first place.

Perhaps they [Americans] should simply accept the reality: The Mexicans will come, America will change. This is the way of the world.

Thanks, but no thanks.

7 posted on 04/17/2006 12:16:01 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: HiJinx

ping


8 posted on 04/17/2006 12:16:33 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: blueminnesota; EternalVigilance

There is an aspect of this that is horribly underrepoprted. Many of the illegal aliens are dangerous criminals and even leaders of major gangs. Those illegals come to commit crimes that Americans won't commit.


9 posted on 04/17/2006 12:25:47 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Bob Taft for Impeachment)
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To: blueminnesota
The "flood of Mexicans" doesn't concern me nearly so much as the trickle of Bosnians, Chechens, Jordanians, Yemanis, Egyptians, Saudis, etc.. Security must be the first priority of any "immigration" bill. If letting 12 millions Mexicans stay here is the penalty we have to pay for our years of inattentiveness, then so be it.
10 posted on 04/17/2006 12:30:32 PM PDT by Redcloak (Messing up perfectly good threads since 1998.)
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To: blueminnesota
"Promised Land to which they are coming will perhaps no longer be one if they continue to come."

Not just perhaps.

11 posted on 04/17/2006 12:31:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: blueminnesota
If you Google the word Jews along with La Raza, MeCHA, Aztlan or LULAC, you will see that these organizations are hostile to Jews and Israel.

Reading some of their paranoia reminds me of the ramblings of Islamic groups. They have some of the same goals.

12 posted on 04/17/2006 12:43:47 PM PDT by Sender (“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.” – Old Chinese proverb)
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To: Sender

95% of the people coming here never heard of MECHA,
and don't have a chip on their shoulders about Aztlan.
All they want is a decent wage and a good life for their families.

The MECHA crowd are trying like crazy to capitalize on this,
but unless we push them into it, the rest of the immigrants (legal or otherwise) aren't going to buy into it.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 1:05:56 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: All

One problem I see is that the infrastructure of a community cannot take unfettered immigration. we need only to look at Lewiston, Maine as an example.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/14/national/main525534.shtml


14 posted on 04/17/2006 1:35:28 PM PDT by Cheesel ("To be conservative at 20 is heartless and to be a liberal at 60 is plain idiocy." Winston Churchill)
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To: blueminnesota
The Hispanic Challenge (To America) A MUST READ Samuel Huntington (Long But Good)

The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants. This Huntington article definitely needs to be read by everyone at least once! It should be linked on pertinent immigration threads. Here's an interesting link about Samuel Huntington:

"Strangely enough, despite the fact that he was buddies with Henry Kissinger at Harvard, he is registered as a member of the Democratic Party, and has written foreign policy speeches for Adlai Stevenson, Hubert Humphrey, and Jimmy Carter."

THREATS AND RESPONSES: LEGISLATION; SENATE VOTES, 90-9, TO SET UP A HOMELAND SECURITY DEPT. GEARED TO FIGHT TERRORISM

Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, the president's chief Senate supporter in changing the Civil Service protections in the bill, acknowledged that Democrats had written 95 percent of the bill and acknowledged the paradoxical role of small-government Republicans like him in advocating for such a large department.

And which party is now making it useless.

Bush: Democrat killed immigration bill

In private as well as public, Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who heads the party's campaign effort, said they did not want to expose rank-and-file Democrats to votes that would force them to choose between border security and immigrant rights, only to wind up with legislation that would be eviscerated in future negotiations with the House, which has passed a bill limited to boosting border security.

Harry Reid: now and then

Path to Deportation Can Start With a Traffic Stop

15 posted on 04/17/2006 2:23:27 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: blueminnesota
A flood?

More like an invading tsunami............OB1

16 posted on 04/17/2006 2:31:24 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !! BUILD THE WALL! PROTECT OUR BORDERS!)
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To: DumpsterDiver

As this country does change, a forced change the citizens did not want, I hope the "people" who get hit hardest, and I hope it is ruthless and without any mercy, are the businessmen, farmers and managers who were the main force pushing this nonsense. I hope that if Democrats get in charge, that this group of "people" are hit harder than ever before by punitive, painful taxes. It would be justice well served. I am done with the "free" market wing of the GOP, their dominance of the GOP long term cost is far too high.


17 posted on 04/17/2006 2:47:08 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: CondorFlight

But most of them vote for liberals anyways. We need to stop this invasion NOW, at all and ANY cost. If they want a better life, then they should stay in Mexico and try to imporve it, rather than break the law and be hired by scum of the earth businessmen.


18 posted on 04/17/2006 2:49:01 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: RFT1
I hope the "people" who get hit hardest, and I hope it is ruthless and without any mercy, are the businessmen, farmers and managers who were the main force pushing this nonsense.

I know how you feel. It's fodder for pleasant daydreams. (I'm vindictive.)

19 posted on 04/17/2006 3:13:52 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: RFT1
Bravo for you....this whole Adam Smith necktie crowd has killed the Republican party.
20 posted on 04/17/2006 3:24:43 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: NHFREE

Not even Adam Smith himself would be an advocate of such insanity. The dirty truth is that most of the open border advocates are in fact, statists, as long as the states policies make them money.


21 posted on 04/17/2006 3:39:58 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: Clintonfatigued
illegals come to commit crimes that Americans won't commit

And march in protest that Americans won't do, vote in elections that Americans won't do, ...

22 posted on 04/17/2006 3:43:22 PM PDT by lemura
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To: Redcloak
"May I see your papers, please?"

Coming soon.

23 posted on 04/17/2006 3:46:08 PM PDT by don-o
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To: RFT1
I agree:) The whole so-called free trade crowd in the in the U.S.A. elite was not too thrilled when average citizens tried to practice free trade by purchasing their drugs in Canada.


We learned then.....that someone (the government) owned free trade, and that private citizens trying to practice such trade on their own would not be allowed to.
24 posted on 04/17/2006 3:48:20 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: BenLurkin

They have changed this land already, look at schools and what American children can and can't do because of the illegals and that's just one change that has been brought to our attention, one day and very very soon these horrific changes to our economy, our freedoms will be felt by every single American!!And it won't be pretty.


25 posted on 04/17/2006 4:05:25 PM PDT by stopem (Head to the border and plug the leak!)
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To: JustPiper

Ping!


26 posted on 04/17/2006 4:06:42 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: blueminnesota

The more pressure we keep on Mexico, immigration-wise, the more reformers
inside of Mexico can be emboldened and empowered to scale back monopolists'
abuses down there which keep our own country flooded with economic refugees.
Here's an interesting new thread on new legal reform progress that finally
emerged in Mexico I think as a result of immigration reform's failure:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611677/posts

We can make a difference for our sake, and their's as well. Isn't it the
neighborly thing to do?


27 posted on 04/17/2006 4:56:46 PM PDT by Shuttle Shucker
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To: CondorFlight

True, most hispanics here are not the MeCHA types. I was just surprised when browsing the radical hispanic websites that they blame the evil Jooooos.


28 posted on 04/17/2006 5:37:39 PM PDT by Sender (“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.” – Old Chinese proverb)
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To: blueminnesota

They are not illegals, they're just "nationally challenged".


29 posted on 04/17/2006 5:37:51 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (Just another evil conservative)
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To: don-o
I'm not quite sure how that applies to border security; except to say that we should be asking to "zee your paperz" whenever anyone seeks to cross our border.
31 posted on 04/17/2006 6:07:39 PM PDT by Redcloak (Messing up perfectly good threads since 1998.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
'Interesting that they use "infiltrators" and our press uses "undocumented workers".'

I prefer the word: "Invaders"...

However, "infiltrators" does have a certain flair.

ANYTHING is better than "guest workers," isn't it?

32 posted on 04/17/2006 6:09:19 PM PDT by Liberator ( F16Fighter, Since 2001 -- aka Liberator, Since 1999)
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To: blueminnesota

Assuming that he is sane, Rosner would not support 10,000 Arabs entering Israel illegally every year. What is extreme about protecting our borders?


33 posted on 04/17/2006 6:53:11 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

One of A. Lincoln's secretaries objected to him using the word "sugar-coat" in describing how some political opponents were `spinning' the facts. He replied that Americans would always know what "sugar-coat" meant and left it in the speech.


34 posted on 04/17/2006 6:58:14 PM PDT by OkieDoke
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To: Liberator

"guest workers"?

guest voters is more like it


35 posted on 04/17/2006 7:16:59 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: blueminnesota

Mexican Earthquake

A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the
Richter scale has hit Mexico.

Two million Mexicans have died and over a million
are injured.

The country is totally ruined and the government
doesn't know where to start with providing help to rebuild. The
rest of the world is in shock.

Canada is sending troops to help the Mexican
army. Saudi Arabia is sending oil. Other Latin American
countries are sending supplies. The European community (except France) is
sending food and money.

The United States, not to be outdone, is sending two million

replacement Mexicans.

God Bless America


36 posted on 04/17/2006 7:19:45 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Cheesel
Lewiston,Maine as an example

I remember the multiple posts on FR at the time. I believe I am right in the actual logistics of how this came about. I stand corrected of course, as it was about 4 years ago.

The Somali people were originally settled in the State of Georgia. The authorities had drastically cut back for all welfare recipients. This was across the board.

Someone did their homework. The State of Maine- not having a massive welfare population, therefore had among the most benefits in the USA.

Hello Somalis.

37 posted on 04/17/2006 7:32:55 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Oh, so I see... yep, go to a blue state and sucker off them.

From what I have been reading recently, Minneapolis also has an immigration problem with Somalis now as well (and gee, get this, Minnesota is another blue state).

Just goes to show, many immigrants are hard working, yes. Many are not, though.


38 posted on 04/21/2006 1:53:28 PM PDT by Cheesel ("To be conservative at 20 is heartless and to be a liberal at 60 is plain idiocy." Winston Churchill)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Easy fix for the border. Well, for the Rio Grande part, anyway. Let a bunch of alligators loose in the river. I'm not advocating this next one, but it would put a little dent in the illegal crossings. Sneak over the border and put antifreeze in the water at all those water stations. Before anyone jumps on me about ethics, I'm not advocating the second one :P
39 posted on 04/21/2006 2:10:00 PM PDT by TenthLegion (Have fun in life; you won't get out of it alive.)
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