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Duke Lacrosse Players Arrested to Face Rape Charges
Fox News ^ | 4/18/06

Posted on 04/18/2006 6:40:40 AM PDT by mathprof

Two Duke University lacrosse players were arrested early Tuesday on charges of rape, sexual offense and kidnapping, FOX News has confirmed.

Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty, both 20 years old, were being held on $400,000 bond each. Seligmann had posted bond by 7:30 a.m. and Finnerty was in the process of doing so. By posting bond, the players avoid making an initial court appearance later Tuesday.

District Attorney Mike Nifong said authorities are still trying to identify a third assailant.

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1 posted on 04/18/2006 6:40:41 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: mathprof

Rumor has it one of the kids can prove he wasn't even at the house when the alleged rape occurred. This could get very ugly for the DA.


2 posted on 04/18/2006 6:41:40 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: mathprof

This D.A. must be related to Ronnie Earl?


3 posted on 04/18/2006 6:41:54 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: mathprof

$400,000 bond. Wow! Are they a risk of flight???? Is that customary in NC????

Any NC lawyers out there?


4 posted on 04/18/2006 6:42:26 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: mathprof
Now, just to be snooty ;-)
"Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty"
You can tell by their names they ain't from NC.
OK, OK flame me lol
5 posted on 04/18/2006 6:44:17 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Tulane

This DA is bringing these indictments with very, VERY little to go on.


6 posted on 04/18/2006 6:46:46 AM PDT by Solson (magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.)
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To: mathprof

I wonder why the names are different than the three names that the stripper originally claimed: Adam, Bret, and Matt...


7 posted on 04/18/2006 6:47:24 AM PDT by AntiGuv (The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: mathprof

Prosecutorial abuse is unfortunately a widespread problem in the US. Any practical suggestions what to do to lessen its frequency?


8 posted on 04/18/2006 6:48:25 AM PDT by lfod1776
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To: Blueflag

"$400,000 bond. Wow! Are they a risk of flight???? Is that customary in NC???? "


Ridiculous. I'll bet they don't have records and this evidence is flimsy. Ridiculous bond.


9 posted on 04/18/2006 6:51:36 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: mathprof

go here:

http://www.wmal.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=428477&PT=NEWS


10 posted on 04/18/2006 6:51:54 AM PDT by itsinthebag (E)
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To: Solson

He's up for re-election this year.


11 posted on 04/18/2006 6:52:42 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: lfod1776
Prosecutorial abuse is unfortunately a widespread problem in the US.

Are charges of prosecutorial misconduct ever actually brought? I hear defendants griping about it all the time, but I never hear of any DAs being brought up on it. I get the impression that a DA is essentially immune from prosecution.

12 posted on 04/18/2006 6:53:37 AM PDT by speedy
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To: Blueflag
LOL

I had the exact same reaction you had. Can't be a coincidence that the guys the DA picked to prosecute have the "whitest" names imaginable.

13 posted on 04/18/2006 6:53:42 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: AntiGuv

White names all sound alike.


14 posted on 04/18/2006 6:54:11 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Tulane

15 posted on 04/18/2006 6:55:12 AM PDT by wolficatZ (The Honeysuckle Weeks Fan Club First Annual Pub Crawl!)
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To: mathprof

The grand jury apparently has some reason to charge them. Think I'll wait for the actual evidence to come out instead of listening to the spin of defense attorneys and the prosecutor.


16 posted on 04/18/2006 6:55:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: lfod1776

This might not qualify as a "practical" suggestion but the first step is to figure out how to insulate the DA, at least in some sense, from political temptation. More often than not, and as people are sensing in the Duke case, misconduct is the product of forthcoming elections or other aspirations. How to fix it is another question; as long as the DA's office is a stepping stone to higher office, and big convictions the path to book deals and Fox News spots, we're probably stuck.


17 posted on 04/18/2006 6:56:14 AM PDT by maximusaurelius
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To: Tulane

If all the prosecutor has is her allegation, that could be enough. All he has to do is to pick the jury carefully. The governor is a Democrat so no chance for a pardon even if the trial is a farce (unlike Altgeld and the Haymarket Square defendants...well, Altgeld was a Democrat but that was a different era)


18 posted on 04/18/2006 6:56:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: lfod1776

The old saying in Pennsylvania was that the DA could get the Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich.


19 posted on 04/18/2006 6:56:38 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

THIS CREEP IS UP FOR ELECTION IN TWO WEEKS. THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE REQUIRED FOR A GRAND JURY. LOWEST LEVEL OF PROOF. BOY.


20 posted on 04/18/2006 6:57:58 AM PDT by applpie
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

We have the same saying here in NC! And it's true.


21 posted on 04/18/2006 6:58:07 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

THIS CREEP IS UP FOR ELECTION IN TWO WEEKS. THERE IS VERY LITTLE EVIDENCE REQUIRED FOR A GRAND JURY. LOWEST LEVEL OF PROOF. BOY.


22 posted on 04/18/2006 6:58:07 AM PDT by applpie
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To: gate2wire
Ridiculous. I'll bet they don't have records and this evidence is flimsy. Ridiculous bond.

I read on another thread that one of the fellows arrested was charged with assault in Washington, DC last fall and had to do community service. Also, the link in post #10 is to a story about how some of the Duke players have several code of conduct violations that the school has been concerned about for some time. Take a look at post #10 for the story.

23 posted on 04/18/2006 6:58:20 AM PDT by itsinthebag (E)
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To: cripplecreek

I am not sure of the DA's responsibilities in a grand jury setting -- his job is to present evidence a crime took place, and by whom, and not to develop a defense. But in this case, if the DA had been presented with alibi evidence and ignored it, he might have a problem. It's one thing to present a clear prima facie case; it's another to ignore exculpatory evidence.


24 posted on 04/18/2006 6:59:10 AM PDT by maximusaurelius
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To: Blueflag

"Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty"

With names like that, they must come from serious money.
Coincidence?


25 posted on 04/18/2006 6:59:48 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: itsinthebag

Thanks.


26 posted on 04/18/2006 7:01:23 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Tulane

Where did you see that? I'm not doubting it, just curious.


27 posted on 04/18/2006 7:02:04 AM PDT by AntiGuv (The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: Solson

Supposedly, DNA does not match any of the lacrosse players. Has it been determined where the donor DNA came from?


28 posted on 04/18/2006 7:03:32 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Democrats are, just, socialists without the honesty.)
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To: itsinthebag
I read on another thread that one of the fellows arrested was charged with assault in Washington, DC last fall and had to do community service. Also, the link in post #10 is to a story about how some of the Duke players have several code of conduct violations that the school has been concerned about for some time. Take a look at post #10 for the story.

And there was also a report of a positive test result for a date rape drug. But how dare you or I actually question the foregone conclusions of the knee-jerk Freeper crowd, who have already declared these 'boys' innocent. Because a skank dancer always lies, but trash frat boys with a dirty history would never lie in this case.

I don't think anyone can be certain yet what happened. Not that it will stop the keyboard lynch mob...

29 posted on 04/18/2006 7:05:33 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: gate2wire

You can tell how much money someone has by their name? Wow!


30 posted on 04/18/2006 7:05:53 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mathprof

This reminds me of such life destroying witch hunts we have seen in states like California and Washington where prosecutors were looking for career making cases to make a name for themselves.

I remember that story of a california pre-school run by a family where a glory seeking DA tried to accuse them all of child molestation. In the end, the people were completely proved innocent. Not a single act of child molestation ever occured. But not before their school was bankrupted and their lives & careers ruined.


31 posted on 04/18/2006 7:05:57 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: mathprof

Finnerty's assault charge in DC is red meat to PC types ... it was played up as gay bashing. Is Nifong "perp shopping" for political purposes?


32 posted on 04/18/2006 7:07:18 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mlc9852

Joke


33 posted on 04/18/2006 7:07:34 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: mathprof

These charges will be dropped after the election since he is only using these boys to increase his share of the black vote.


34 posted on 04/18/2006 7:07:46 AM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: Verginius Rufus
All he has to do is to pick the jury carefully.

Carefully?!

35 posted on 04/18/2006 7:08:21 AM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
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To: Tulane
Rumor has it one of the kids can prove he wasn't even at the house when the alleged rape occurred.

Well, she couldn't identify them until 3 weeks later, after their pictures had been up all over campus. I was actually thinking last night that if she just picked 3 guys that there is a good chance one of them wasn't even there that night.

36 posted on 04/18/2006 7:08:40 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Blueflag
$400,000 bond. Wow! Are they a risk of flight???? Is that customary in NC????

Bond is probably set according to a schedule re: the crimes. Here you have kidnapping, rape and sexual assault...all big name crimes.

A judge will likely reduce bond at a hearing

37 posted on 04/18/2006 7:09:07 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: 60 in 06

Police dispatch recording, less than one hour before the event, has the sainted young mom, er student, er exotic dancer, er stripper passed-out drunk, as reported by a local cop who {literally} tripped over her semi-comotose {well worn} body.


38 posted on 04/18/2006 7:10:09 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: gate2wire

Sorry :}


39 posted on 04/18/2006 7:10:17 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Blueflag
$400,000 bond. Wow! Are they a risk of flight???? Is that customary in NC????

$400K bond, payable to Rainbow-Push...

40 posted on 04/18/2006 7:10:17 AM PDT by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

An article from ABC News about one of the Dads speaking out. I'm not sure if ABC is sensitive to reprint so my apologies to the system administrator if so.

PresidentFelon


April 18, 2006 — When Brian Loftus heard his twin sons were not the two Duke lacrosse players indicted by a grand jury today, his first reaction was relief, the second despair.

"I got word that my two kids weren't two of the kids being indicted. It was like, you know, one of those bittersweet things, a relief," Loftus told ABC's Chris Cuomo in an exclusive interview. "But right now, I'm sick to my stomach. … I'm not an emotional person, but I was crying earlier today because those two kids' lives are ruined, I mean totally ruined. For the next six [months] to nine months, they're going to be scrutinized as criminals and I know these kids. It's the furthest thing from that."

Duke sophomores Collin Finnerty from New York and Reade Seligmann from New Jersey turned themselves in this morning. They are charged with first-degree forcible rape, first-degree sexual offense and kidnapping. Lawyers say they're charged with crimes they didn't commit, and Loftus, who lives in Syosset on New York's Long Island, said his sons had been telling him the same thing ever since a stripper told police she was raped at a party thrown by Duke's lacrosse team more than a month ago.

"Both my sons vehemently, all they ever told me was, 'Dad, nothing happened. Nobody did anything,'" Loftus said. Loftus added that the "Blue Wall of Silence" was a myth, and that all the players were willing to cooperate with authorities.

"These kids were willing to take polygraphs. These kids were willing to take blood tests. They were willing to come down and give statements," Loftus said. "They did everything. They gave their DNA. We thought once we give that, that it was going to be over. … But every night, every day, all we see on the TV is, we're hiding something. Obviously there's nothing to hide."

Loftus was one of the New York firefighters who responded to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. He said he was also bothered by media reports calling the lacrosse team a bunch of rich, white kids whose only possession greater than wealth was cockiness.

"I'm not an emotional person, but every day I cry. I have tears in my eyes. I feel like the world's been pulled underneath my feet," Loftus said. "My kids, when you hear them sobbing on the phone that their lives are destroyed and you hear other people saying the same thing you wonder what went wrong. And we know nothing went wrong. I cannot stress that any more. Nothing happened that night."


41 posted on 04/18/2006 7:10:53 AM PDT by PresidentFelon
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To: Diddle E. Squat
And there was also a report of a positive test result for a date rape drug.

Where is that report?

42 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:05 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: mlc9852

"You can tell how much money someone has by their name?"

A male with a last-name given name is usually either southern, or his mother's family is prominent, and sometimes both. The tendency not to be poor does tend to follow that sort of naming convention.


43 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: mlc9852

I grew up in the NE. People with names like this (from the NE) ALWAYS had REAL money. ALWAYS.

Guys with names like Larry Riccarelli, Mario BRuno, Fred Benton... they didn't.

;-)


44 posted on 04/18/2006 7:11:24 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: TexasCajun; Tulane

>>Rumor has it one of the kids can prove he wasn't even at the house when the alleged rape occurred. This could get very ugly for the DA.

We can only hope.

>>This D.A. must be related to Ronnie Earl?

I believe they are first cousins. I base this on evidence as strong as the DA has against these boys.

For those following this story, there appears to be little new in this article.


45 posted on 04/18/2006 7:12:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: mlc9852

That's ok, it obviously wasn't funny. I'll probably keep trying though. Maybe I should try a less serious topic. :-)


46 posted on 04/18/2006 7:13:17 AM PDT by gate2wire
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To: Tulane

Source?


47 posted on 04/18/2006 7:14:04 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: mathprof

We're over here discussing it, if you're interested:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617010/posts


48 posted on 04/18/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Solson

"This DA is bringing these indictments with very, VERY little to go on."

You're right. The "very, VERY little" he has is that he's running for re-election.


49 posted on 04/18/2006 7:14:58 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Rodney King

Radio news report a couple of hours ago, CBS news I think.


50 posted on 04/18/2006 7:15:43 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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