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Rumsfeld Critic Zinni: USS Cole Blunder My Fault
NewsMax.com ^ | April 18, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 04/18/2006 10:38:57 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

Former CENTCOM Commander, Gen. Anthony Zinni - who has called for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign because of his alleged incompetence in running the Iraq war - admitted six years ago that he made the disastrous decision to have the U.S.S. Cole use the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling, where the ship was blown up by al Qaeda terrorists.

Worse still, at least one report indicates that Gen. Zinni may have played a role in an August 1998 leak that tipped off Osama bin Laden to an impending U.S. cruise missile attack - allowing the top terrorist to escape.

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee in October 2000, a week after the Cole attack, the then-recently retired Zinni said: "I pass that buck on to nobody."

The Rumsfeld critic explained that he personally signed off on berthing the Cole in Yemen even though "their coast is a sieve for terrorists."

"The threat conditions in Aden were better than elsewhere," he insisted, citing risk assessments for Sudan and Saudi Arabia.

Gen. Zinni said that cutbacks in the size of the Navy's fleet during the Clinton years made it necessary to use regional ports for refueling, noting: "Ten years ago, we did all refueling at sea" using Navy oilers.

Still, prior to the Cole attack, there's no record that Gen. Zinni ever complained about Clinton era defense cuts.

In what may be an even more troubling development, a report indicates that the leading Rumsfeld critic may have inadvertently played a role in tipping off Osama bin Laden to an impending U.S. cruise missile attack two years before the Cole episode.

Two days after President Clinton ordered the attack on bin Laden's encampment in Khost Afghanistan, the Associated Press reported:

"Kuwait's Al-Watan newspaper, quoting unidentified sources in London today, reported that Pakistan leaked to bin Laden news about an impending U.S. strike. The sources said the leak was aimed at limiting casualties, so that bin Laden would have less justification for a counterattack.

"A Pakistani government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, was in Peshawar the day before the attack to meet with Pakistani officials.

"Other Pakistani sources said Zinni came with a team of U.S. intelligence experts whose task was to pinpoint the camps and determine bin Laden's exact whereabouts."


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KEYWORDS: binladen; cole; kayak; zinni
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1 posted on 04/18/2006 10:39:00 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Try him for treason!


2 posted on 04/18/2006 10:42:01 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Thanks for the research Carl.

As the saying goes ...a short pencil is a lot better than a long memory.

Apparently too many of the whiners can be tripped by their own quotes. Thanks for doing the work the MSM refuses to do (to liberals).

3 posted on 04/18/2006 10:44:18 AM PDT by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I thought Richard "Dick" Clarke make calls to the UAE, whose leaders were falcon hunting with OBL?

And now this general is found to have been sharing intel with Pakistanis on OBL's location?

Are these two different times?

4 posted on 04/18/2006 10:44:32 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Carl....PASS THIS ON TO RUSH AND MICHAEL MEDVED AND SEAN AND TONY AND HUGH HEWITT!!!!!!! This is HUGE!!!.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 10:44:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

And the press is worried about the Plame nonsense?! We could have obliterated OBL long before 9-11, and this SOB has the gall to criticize Rummy?

Just D*MN!!!!


6 posted on 04/18/2006 10:45:16 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Carl, Zinni is also anti-Israel....can you write about that fact also?? Thanks.


7 posted on 04/18/2006 10:45:34 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I'm betting that Clinton ordered the leak because he didn't really want to go to the trouble (and face criticism) of actually getting Bin Laden...he just wanted to look like he was trying.


8 posted on 04/18/2006 10:46:39 AM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Carl/NewsMax

What was it that I remember Zinni for other than being one of the newly-annointed Six Generals of Discontent.

He did something else, worked on the Israeli - Palestinian thing maybe? I just cannot recall.


9 posted on 04/18/2006 10:49:01 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Rumsfeld Critic Zinni: USS Cole Blunder My Fault

Because of his political philosophy of using US sailors and soldiers as "citizen diplomats". It got us into trouble in Somalia as well.

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The Cole was vulnerable for 3 reasons, it was a interdiction ship capturing oil smugglers from Iraq,

Yemen was an enemy port, but General Zinni had this incredibly stupid idea that our sailors are diplomats so sending them into the hands of the enemy is good diplomacy.

They were not allowed to defend themselves in port, no weapons were allowed on the quarterdeck. When the boat came at them, they could not respond because their firearms were locked up by orders of the Central command (diplomats don't need guns you know).

In other words, our foreign policy made the USS Cole a sitting duck. The bombing was an act of war perpetrated on sovereign US territory (a navy ship) and this fact was artfully dodged by the press and the government officials responsible for those dead sailors.

20 posted on 03/16/2004 7:12:59 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
10 posted on 04/18/2006 10:49:31 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I'd love to see another story on "Operation Merlin"

In a hairbrained scheme that was personally approved by then-President Clinton, the CIA deliberately gave Iranian physicists blueprints for part of a nuclear bomb that likely helped Tehran advance its nuclear weapons development program.

You and your team do great work.

11 posted on 04/18/2006 10:51:24 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Zinni, no stupid man whatever you may think of him had clearly grasped the big lesson of the Somalia Ranger debacle. After that unfortunate event the GO's on site all took responsibility for any downside. (Considering the tactically flawed nature of the operational plan that was well and good.) The real goal was to provide cover for the White House over signing up for a problematic operation such as UNOSOM II. The White House had transmitted the desired message to the field and in return for the truncated candor no heads rolled.

After the USS Cole incident our hero
"testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee in October 2000, a week after the Cole attack, the then-recently retired Zinni said: "I pass that buck on to nobody."

The real reason for this dopey arrangement involving bunkering operations was a State Department feel good initiative for the US to show its positive feelings towards the Yemeni regime and pump a few bucks into Aden ports flat tired economy. Zinni steps up to the plate ans says 'Yep I screwed up.' Knowing full well the Slimemaster in Chief would smile upon him.
12 posted on 04/18/2006 10:51:25 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Oops!


13 posted on 04/18/2006 10:52:08 AM PDT by manwiththehands (I'm a single issue voter this year: illegal immigration.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Gen. Zinni said that cutbacks in the size of the Navy's fleet during the Clinton years made it necessary to use regional ports for refueling, noting: "Ten years ago, we did all refueling at sea" using Navy oilers.

Yet another reason to elect a socialist democrat. We could elect another Klinton and downsize the entire military force, decommission all our ships, mothball all our tanks and planes, and put the troops to working in national parks and city parks picking up trash and cutting grass and weeds. This would be PERFECT!!! /sarcasm on and hot!

14 posted on 04/18/2006 10:52:57 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians are in it for themselves, to get reelected, to benefit them, not we the people.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax; Grampa Dave; river rat

"Gen. Zinni may have played a role in an August 1998 leak that tipped off Osama bin Laden to an impending U.S. cruise missile attack - allowing the top terrorist to escape..."

Nice.../s


15 posted on 04/18/2006 10:53:12 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: TNdandelion
Slick The Presidential Slacker

Presiding over a Know-Nothing Do-Nothing Administration!

...that is unless you were a Branch Davidian or a little boy from Cuba.

16 posted on 04/18/2006 10:57:12 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: RetiredArmy

Clinton also spent more on procuring Anthrax vaccine for troops rotating through CENTCOM than he did on Body Armor.

Zinni the Pooh ran CENTCOM.


17 posted on 04/18/2006 11:00:04 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Carl/NewsMax
... where the ship was blown up by al Qaeda terrorists.

I guess that depends on your definition of "blown up."

Did it sink, like the ships at Pearl Harbor, as a result of being blown up?

18 posted on 04/18/2006 11:01:35 AM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
As commanders we all have made errors in decisions. So what's the point? None of the Rumsfeld critics complain about any specific decision either in tactics,strategy or operationally. The umbrella of disdain for him as SecDef relates to his recurrent refusal to even listen to or consider differing perspectives in management. Commanders always --or should always--listen to all points of views, suggestions and alternatives as presented by staff members. In the end, the decision is his alone and Zinni doesn't shirk from the burden of the results of his decisions that went badly.

When JFK's entire cabinet expressed thier individual points of view on a matter during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, he listened and announced that the vote was 9 to 1 (his)and thus, the majority of one carried the decision. Harry Truman did the same regarding the relief from command of General MacArthur, he was the lone voice in the cabinet room for that result.

The supervailing point being that staff and advisors are there to be the collective Devil's Advocate for the position that differs from the boss. And, after considering their views, the boss makes a decision on his own since the ''buck'' stops with him. In Rumsfeld's case, he wouldn't even listen and punished any officer with a pre-decision differing point of view than that widely known by the group to be that of the boss. It would be the rare senior staff officer who hadn't served under a superior having a similar management methodology. It would also be the rare agency, operational entity or unit that saw such a superior's survival after a series of his unilateral decisons made in direct contradiction to the senior staff experts in any given area of operations, logistics or policy, they get replaced after a pattern of failure develops.

19 posted on 04/18/2006 11:07:00 AM PDT by middie
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To: Carl/NewsMax

OMG


20 posted on 04/18/2006 11:15:42 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Bump


21 posted on 04/18/2006 11:16:25 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: TNdandelion
I recall slick willie saying that while they knew where OBL was they were unwilling to strike because women and children were in the area.

Talk about treason!

I have long considered 9/11 to be slick willie's legacy.

22 posted on 04/18/2006 11:17:12 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Zinni was slick willie's middle east peace envoy.

Every time he went to the area and met with Arafat there was an increased number of attacks against Israeli citizens.

23 posted on 04/18/2006 11:18:17 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.

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24 posted on 04/18/2006 11:18:55 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: TexasCajun
...that is unless you were a Branch Davidian or a little boy from Cuba.

Or a resident of Belgrade.

25 posted on 04/18/2006 11:19:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Back during the Clinton years, the deal was to "take responsibility" for screw ups, but no penalty would ever be applied. It was all window-dressing for the Evening News.

Remember Janet Reno "taking responsibility" for the Waco debacle? Did she ever pay a price for that? In fact, she was hailed as a hero for being so forthright. Who cares if she burned all those kids to death? She came up with the right soundbite by the 5:30 deadline, so she was a hero!


26 posted on 04/18/2006 11:21:05 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Thousands and thoudands of ex Generals in civis.

A few are bitching. Such is life. Zunni is nobody anyway.

What book is he writing?


27 posted on 04/18/2006 11:26:45 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Zinni fell on his sword during his testimony for Slick Willie over the Cole but the question remains why didn't Zinnis' successor at CENTCOM, Tommy Franks, change the policy and ROEs in the three months that ensued after Zinni left CENTCOM in July and the Cole was attacked in October.


28 posted on 04/18/2006 11:40:56 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Wristpin
"Zinni the Pooh"

ROTFLMAO! As good as "Senator Bareback YoMama!"

29 posted on 04/18/2006 11:45:22 AM PDT by paddles
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To: OldFriend

Zinni was Powells' envoy not Slicks'.


30 posted on 04/18/2006 11:46:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Frank_Discussion

The press doesn't give a flip about Flame. They use that case to distract from things like this.


31 posted on 04/18/2006 11:48:16 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Special Envoy who would sit there grinning like an idiot everytime Hamas would blow up a bus full of children when he was in Jerusalem. I can't remember exactly when that was.


32 posted on 04/18/2006 11:49:27 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: bill1952
What book is he writing?

Written. He is, as we speak, on a book tour for a tome he collaborated on with Tom Clancy.

33 posted on 04/18/2006 11:49:59 AM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: RetiredArmy
and put the troops to working in national parks and city parks picking up trash and cutting grass and weeds.

WhAT? Have you never heard of Posse Comitatis? Not to mention the putting of the "Heart & Soul" (Ilegales) of America out of those jobs? Put the military to work picking up trash in Tehran. That will show Ahmedine-jihad that we mean no harm.

34 posted on 04/18/2006 11:54:04 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: george76; All

So, did Clinton give orders to Zinni to tip off Osama??? My guess is that he did.....TWO TRAITORS!! HANG EM HIGH!!


35 posted on 04/18/2006 11:56:42 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Powell is ANOTHER anti-Israel guy.


36 posted on 04/18/2006 11:59:50 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: upchuck
No, but it was a mission kill


37 posted on 04/18/2006 12:00:11 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: sinkspur

Tom Clancy has gone over to the Dark side also.


38 posted on 04/18/2006 12:00:56 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

In the Department of Defense there are:

34 - four star generals/admirals

124 - three star generals/admirals

278 - two star generals/admirals

439 - one star generals/admirals

Throw in the U.S. Coast Guard and you have 900 generals and admirals on active duty today. This is roughly the same number of generals/admirals who were on active duty in WWII when our military was 12,000,000 strong.

Given that on any given year 15-20% of those generals/admirals will retire each year it doesn't take much figuring to realize that the number of generals calling for Secretary Rumsfeld to resign is laughable.


39 posted on 04/18/2006 12:01:48 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: RetiredArmy
Gen. Zinni said that cutbacks in the size of the Navy's fleet during the Clinton years made it necessary to use regional ports for refueling, noting: "Ten years ago, we did all refueling at sea" using Navy oilers.

They could have just as easily used a friendly port in the U.A.E. like Jabal Ali, which we used freely during GW1. The more I hear about Zinni, the more I'm glad he's not an active duty Marine general.

40 posted on 04/18/2006 12:02:49 PM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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To: george76

Sounds like too many damn generals to me.


41 posted on 04/18/2006 12:03:29 PM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: sinkspur
He is, as we speak, on a book tour for a tome he collaborated on with Tom Clancy.

That does it. Tom has sold his last book, video game, and movie to me. A pox on you Clancy.

42 posted on 04/18/2006 12:06:16 PM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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To: EricT.

Aden is quite a ways from Jebel Ali, but I am wondering if going into Aqabah Jordan, Djibouti, Muskat Oman, Hurghada Egypt wouldn't have been better. I think the truth of the matter is that the Cole went into Aden for only one reason, to show the flag.


43 posted on 04/18/2006 12:14:24 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Zinni was the commanding general in Operation Desert Fox in 1998. The bombing campaign generally regarded as a Wag the Dog operation to divert attention from Monica Lewinsky scandal.

You are correct, he was appointed by Powell and lasted about one year in that capacity as minister of peace.

44 posted on 04/18/2006 12:16:46 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Powell pushed for a cease fire in the first gulf war. Complained about seeing 'brothers' shot by the coaltion forces.


45 posted on 04/18/2006 12:18:03 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Powell was ALWAYS Bush's weakest link....still is....he's PATHETIC!


46 posted on 04/18/2006 12:19:35 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: sinkspur

As usual, you are quite mistaken. The book with Clancy, Battle Ready, was published in 2004. The current book he is hawking, The Battle for Peace, was written with Tony Koltz.


47 posted on 04/18/2006 12:21:28 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Suzy Quzy
Powell is an opportunist. Always was, always will be.

His dedication to this country takes second place to his thoughts of the same 'global test' that kerry thought was such a great idea.

48 posted on 04/18/2006 12:21:59 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: USNBandit

What would have been better was refueling at sea.


49 posted on 04/18/2006 12:23:23 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

Yes, Powell is a globalist because of his EGO....America just isn't big enough for him.


50 posted on 04/18/2006 12:23:39 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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