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Rumsfeld Critic Zinni: USS Cole Blunder My Fault
NewsMax.com ^ | April 18, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 04/18/2006 10:38:57 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

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To: A.A. Cunningham
Thanks for the correction.

However, the Forward to The Battle for Peace was written by Tom Clancy.

51 posted on 04/18/2006 12:24:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Things are about to happen that will answer all your questions and solve all your problems.)
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To: OldFriend

Minister of PEACE??? Is that a JOKE?


52 posted on 04/18/2006 12:26:56 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Any bets on how much indication of incompetence or disloyalty to American interests can be found in the pasts of any of the carping generals?


53 posted on 04/18/2006 12:27:04 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: hedgetrimmer
"I pass that buck on to nobody."

I thought it was Friends of Algor that stood to make a buck if the Cole refuelled there?

54 posted on 04/18/2006 12:33:00 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Frank_Discussion

Zini et al will get theirs.

Think of their perverse pontificating as just another DNC-organised Perfumed Prince Parade.


55 posted on 04/18/2006 12:37:31 PM PDT by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Flavius Josephus
I'm sure you're right, but it's still reprehensible and disgusting!
56 posted on 04/18/2006 12:43:58 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Brian Allen

"Zini et al will get theirs."

They'd better. What the MSM is doing is so wrong.


57 posted on 04/18/2006 12:45:39 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion

<< .... What the MSM is doing is so wrong. >>

That's a given.

As, effectively, is their orchestrated and disgraceful parade of failed generales, they are but an un-and-anti-American seditious, subversive and frequently treasonous extension of the Soviet-oriented and Moscow-directed Socialist Internationale.

And of that obscene gang's as abhorent close ally, the modern "Democrats."


58 posted on 04/18/2006 12:54:19 PM PDT by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

BTTT


59 posted on 04/18/2006 12:59:52 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Suzy Quzy

That really bothers me. I remember when Rush would have Tom on pretty often.


60 posted on 04/18/2006 1:20:34 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: george76

And how many Lt. Generals are there?


61 posted on 04/18/2006 1:44:39 PM PDT by jer33 3
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Brit Hume exposed the duplicitous General Zinni last evening on his "grape vine segment". You can listen to it by accessing the Fox New website and hear Brit. Very interesting.


62 posted on 04/18/2006 1:57:32 PM PDT by hgro
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To: Flavius Josephus

Plus there are thousands of retired generals already.

Only 6 are whining.


63 posted on 04/18/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Cut off his pension! He hasn't served well, just too long. Cut off Clinton's pension(s), too.

(Boy, we could save a lot of bucks if we quit paying those who spread anti-American propaganda.)


64 posted on 04/18/2006 2:27:29 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: SJackson

BUMP!


65 posted on 04/18/2006 3:31:26 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: robowombat
Good evening.
"I pass that buck on to nobody."

Didn't we hear something similar from Janet 'BBQ' Reno?

Michael Frazier
66 posted on 04/18/2006 5:04:57 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: robowombat
Good evening.
"I pass that buck on to nobody."

Didn't we hear something similar from Janet 'BBQ' Reno?

Michael Frazier
67 posted on 04/18/2006 5:07:00 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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Is that comment supposed to give Zinni more credibility? I'd love to know who he's taking his orders from, NOW.


68 posted on 04/18/2006 5:08:43 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Who is John Galt?)
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To: SJackson

Thanks for the ping.


69 posted on 04/18/2006 7:23:37 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (TODAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY FOR LOTS OF HEAVY PRAYING, THE WORLD NEEDS YOUR PRAYERS.)
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To: george76; CWOJackson
Super ((((ping))))

You will love this pro-Rumsfeld graphic. Really! It's the Dirty Dozen vs. Everybody Else. (You just have to page down once.) Enjoy!

http://www.brainshavings.com/mt/archives/001948.html
70 posted on 04/18/2006 7:30:01 PM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: Flavius Josephus; RetiredArmy

Flavius, I think you may have missed the sarcasm tag!


71 posted on 04/18/2006 7:41:36 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: Chgogal

Thanks for the ping.

Out of the thousands of retired generals, I thought that there were only 6 whiners.


72 posted on 04/18/2006 9:05:55 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Suzy Quzy

In early 2000, Former Clinton CENTCOM commander, Anthony Zinni told Congress "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region," adding, "Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, [and] retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions ...

Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192065,00.html


73 posted on 04/18/2006 9:23:36 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

He was generous and rounded up to an even dozen! ;)


74 posted on 04/18/2006 10:21:38 PM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: EricT.
They could have just as easily used a friendly port in the U.A.E.

But they SHOULD have simply refueled at sea {topped off requiring only minutes} from a USNS oiler. Second major blunder was placing a ship two days away from the rest of the fleet and alone. Third blunder was they were in fact aware of the danger they meaning State Department but the alert was not processed through the Pentagon and sent to the Captain of the COLE in time. That's what we get for letting the State Department be the overseer of such vital information. If Zinni had indeed retired three months prior then the responsibility fell elsewhere. Those orders could have been changed at any point. IIRC Franks was in charge.

Refueling in Yemen was a political move and like many still ongoing blunders was bad judgment from the Pentagon. The same type of blunder equal to PUEBLO and LIBERTY. The COLE attack is the reason we should not be using the UAE for yard work and berthing our carriers pier side there.

The COLE attack wasn't just a lucky hit and someone knew precisely where to detonate for maximum damage. D.I.W. is as bad as it gets next to sinking for a ship. The crews heroic efforts and Navy Damage Control Training served them well to save the ship under the circumstances.

So where could a M.E. terrorist learn the layout of a ship such as the Cole? In the UAE shipyards would be my first guess. Now keep in mind our so called ally Yemen has managed to allow an escape of those who masterminded the COLE bombing. Our government being the good friend to Yemen it is did not demand via military threat if necessary the surrender of custody of those responsible for the bombing once they were located. Why weren't they in GITMO facing a military tribunal? We'll never get those answers as long as the State Department continues to be the guiding force behind our M.E. military operations.

75 posted on 04/19/2006 5:25:52 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: USNBandit
I think the truth of the matter is that the Cole went into Aden for only one reason, to show the flag.

That's about the size of it. Which can be a good thing IF you have the means to back it up. {Fleet support near-by} That whole situation was wrong starting a few days earlier including being in the area alone.

76 posted on 04/19/2006 5:50:26 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Apparently too many of the whiners can be tripped by their own quotes.

The drive-by media won't mention it. It doesn't serve their agenda.

77 posted on 04/19/2006 5:53:07 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: robowombat

Sounds like Zinni 'retired' right after the Cole/Yemen thing. No coincidence, I suspect.


78 posted on 04/19/2006 6:09:31 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop
Sounds like Zinni 'retired' right after the Cole/Yemen thing. No coincidence, I suspect.

If it was he who decided Yemen was a good fueling port then he was partly responsible. So were the ones who sat on the alert. That is why the State Department has no business being involved in such matters. But the disturbing thing is what have we learned? Berthing a nuclear aircraft carrier at a pier in the M.E. is insanity yet our current leaders do so in UAE.

I don't care how good they claim air defenses and security is it's a stupid move in a hostile environment. Use the ships Utility Boats instead that policy served us well for decades. In 4 year my ship moored once at one foreign port {1970's France} and even then remained steaming.

If a carrier is anchored in the harbor it can be underway {moving } in less than 5 minutes on it's own power with no tug boats or Pilot needed. {I was on one that did it years ago under emergency conditions} Otherwise we're talking about an hour at best to get underway & out of port situation. Under battle conditions minutes and even seconds count. Any ship in the eastern Indian Ocean, Arabian Sea, or PG must be considered being under battle conditions or a modified alert status. We need to draw on experiences and policies used in the Cold War and act accordingly.

79 posted on 04/19/2006 6:37:43 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: GatorGirl

At your post on 34, there is no sarcasm tag friend.


80 posted on 04/19/2006 7:54:39 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians are in it for themselves, to get reelected, to benefit them, not we the people.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Flav missed the sarcasm tag on your original post and started screaming about Posse Comitatus instead.

I was stickin' up for ya!


81 posted on 04/19/2006 9:52:37 AM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: RetiredArmy

Flav missed the sarcasm tag on your original post and started screaming about Posse Comitatus instead.

I was stickin' up for ya!


82 posted on 04/19/2006 9:52:43 AM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: GatorGirl

Oh, my bad. Sorry. No harm intended. Forgive please? Tanks! :) RA


83 posted on 04/19/2006 9:58:57 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians are in it for themselves, to get reelected, to benefit them, not we the people.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
he made the disastrous decision to have the U.S.S. Cole use the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling, where the ship was blown up by al Qaeda terrorists.

Worse still, at least one report indicates that Gen. Zinni may have played a role in an August 1998 leak that tipped off Osama bin Laden to an impending U.S. cruise missile attack - allowing the top terrorist to escape.

If he hadn't had the rank of General, most likely he would've been Court Martialed for Dereliction of Duty. Perhaps charges can still be brought against him.

84 posted on 04/19/2006 10:13:18 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: GatorGirl

I must have forgotten my own sarc tag but as usual I thought it was so over the top no one would be fooled. Have our troops picking up trash in Tehran to appease Amedine-jihad? Come'on GG.


85 posted on 04/19/2006 11:37:09 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
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To: Flavius Josephus

My apologies. Although with some of the stuff I've seen lately on FR I must need that tag!


86 posted on 04/19/2006 5:42:40 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: TexasCajun

US Military called off the OBL strike BECAUSE a UAE prince was falcon hunting with OBL....we didn't tip off UAE about the strike.

This was a separate strike that actully went through. But Zinni is a bone-head for leaking it...another perfumed prince politico of the pentagon and not a real fighter. The same bone-heads tied the hands of military planners for the Iran hostage rescue...hands tied meant dead troops and failed mission.

As I recall, GEN Clarke had nothing to do with CENTCOM (Central Command) or CENTCOM missions (i.e. OBL strike decision making). Clarke was EUCOM (European Command) Commander during Clinton's reign. These are separate combatant commands in the US military structure.


87 posted on 04/19/2006 8:41:27 PM PDT by macw (Missing Bin Laden)
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To: macw
I was referring to Dick Clarke, one of Slicks's CIA analyst(now ABC analyst), not Weasally Clark.

Two peas in a pod though.

The Presidential Slacker would risk the wrath of Hillary, but was too scared to take any substitutive action on any of the number of terrorist attacks during his administration.

88 posted on 04/20/2006 6:51:16 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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