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To: Carl/NewsMax
Thanks for the research Carl.

As the saying goes ...a short pencil is a lot better than a long memory.

Apparently too many of the whiners can be tripped by their own quotes. Thanks for doing the work the MSM refuses to do (to liberals).

3 posted on 04/18/2006 10:44:18 AM PDT by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
As commanders we all have made errors in decisions. So what's the point? None of the Rumsfeld critics complain about any specific decision either in tactics,strategy or operationally. The umbrella of disdain for him as SecDef relates to his recurrent refusal to even listen to or consider differing perspectives in management. Commanders always --or should always--listen to all points of views, suggestions and alternatives as presented by staff members. In the end, the decision is his alone and Zinni doesn't shirk from the burden of the results of his decisions that went badly.

When JFK's entire cabinet expressed thier individual points of view on a matter during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, he listened and announced that the vote was 9 to 1 (his)and thus, the majority of one carried the decision. Harry Truman did the same regarding the relief from command of General MacArthur, he was the lone voice in the cabinet room for that result.

The supervailing point being that staff and advisors are there to be the collective Devil's Advocate for the position that differs from the boss. And, after considering their views, the boss makes a decision on his own since the ''buck'' stops with him. In Rumsfeld's case, he wouldn't even listen and punished any officer with a pre-decision differing point of view than that widely known by the group to be that of the boss. It would be the rare senior staff officer who hadn't served under a superior having a similar management methodology. It would also be the rare agency, operational entity or unit that saw such a superior's survival after a series of his unilateral decisons made in direct contradiction to the senior staff experts in any given area of operations, logistics or policy, they get replaced after a pattern of failure develops.

19 posted on 04/18/2006 11:07:00 AM PDT by middie
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To: Nomorjer Kinov
Apparently too many of the whiners can be tripped by their own quotes.

The drive-by media won't mention it. It doesn't serve their agenda.

77 posted on 04/19/2006 5:53:07 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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