Posted on 04/19/2006 6:33:31 AM PDT by areafiftyone
April 19, 2006 -- BLUE BELL, Pa. - Rudy Giuliani took a few swipes at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday while campaigning for a Republican senator. In a speech on behalf of Sen. Rick Santorum, Giuliani recalled that for most of his mayoralty, there was one Republican and one Democratic senator representing New York. MO< "[For] one year, I had Hillary," he mock-complained, drawing laughter.
After a pause, he continued: "There's that book that just came out . . . [it] points out that one thing that Hillary and I do have in common: We're both Yankee fans. I became a Yankee fan growing up in New York. She became a Yankee fan growing up in Chicago."
Giuliani's reference to the latest anti-Hillary tome, which accuses her of pandering, recalled his jabs at Clinton's non-New York roots when they headed for a showdown in the 2000 Senate race, before he withdrew.
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>Great post. For the Rudy detractors who don't think he's far enough to the right...... he is supporting Rick Santorum FWIW.<
Who he is supporting has no bearing on his personnel values which are not acceptable to the majority of conservatives.
Hillary panders? Who knew?
Yup - and turns out it was standing room only crowd!
Truth be told, the folks who wouldn't support Rudy don't support our President either.
Jeeze that didn't take long. Regardless of how you feel about Rudy - NOONE does more to raise money for the Republicans than Giuliani. That's what's important her NOT social issue!
Dear OldFriend,
"Truth be told, the folks who wouldn't support Rudy don't support our President either."
A poor generalization.
I supported President Bush in 2004 and 2000, gave money to the campaign, and would vote for him for president again. I think the president has made some mistakes along the way, and I don't agree with everything he's done. However, I agree with most of his efforts, and applaud his many successes.
Nonetheless, I won't vote for Mr. Giuliani for president.
sitetest
Most important issue IMO is continuity in the War on Terror after President Bush leaves office -- Rudy will deliver. He cleaned up NYC, took down the mob and put his life on the line to lead the city, and to some degree the country, in the aftermath of 9/11.
>Jeeze that didn't take long. Regardless of how you feel about Rudy - NOONE does more to raise money for the Republicans than Giuliani. That's what's important her NOT social issue!<
When it comes to electing a president I had enough with womanizing,pro-homosexual and pro abortion candidates when Clinton left office.GOP does not need to replicate the democrats mistake.
Open minded rinos will support conservatives, but for "real conservatives" supporting "rinos", You can forget it.
The "real conservatives" have a whole series of litmus tests. The words "closed minded" and "intolerant" come to mind.
What was that about "he who throws stones" ?
The "real conservatives" have a whole series of litmus tests. The words "closed minded" and "intolerant" come to mind.
BINGO!!!
I learned a long time ago that a person's character is much more important than their belief on tax policy or defense.Those opinions change with the circumstances.Integrity wins out in the end.
RUDY! :)
>What was that about "he who throws stones" ?<
That's exactly how the dems defended Clinton.
Well if that was the case we should never have elected Reagan to the presidency Twice - HE WAS DIVORCED! But I am proud of my 2 votes for Reagan. Every politician has skeletons in their closets and all of them are human.
>Well if that was the case we should never have elected Reagan to the presidency Twice - HE WAS DIVORCED!<
He did not have his girlfriend living in the Ca.Governors mansion while he was still married.
Rudy is a good Republican but he is no conservative. Lincoln Chaffee used to be a good Republican.
Rudy did not have his present wife living in the Gracie Mansion at all. His ex-wife Donna Hanover would not even allow Rudy to live there much less his then girlfriend. She wanted all the perks of being a mayor's wife without having to Really truly be a wife to him. She lived in the mansion that is why Rudy had to move in with his two friends.
Well .. I would support Rudy any day of the week. He's not perfect - but nether is life.
THE KEY IS BEATING HILLARY! Does anybody with a brain want that mess back in the White House ..??
Rudy.....
He's got my vote.
If he decides to run - he's got mine. But whomever wins the primary even if its not Rudy will get my vote too! I refuse to let that evil witch in the White House.
If you did, you would understand why he left her.
Some women are not only nuts, but just plumb crazy.
Dear staytrue,
"Open minded rinos will support conservatives, but for 'real conservatives' supporting 'rinos,' You can forget it."
Funny, from where I sit, it doesn't seem that way at all. I'm in Maryland, and voted and supported our current Republican governor, Bob Ehrlich, even though he's quite far from being a Republican conservative. I notice that Sen. Santorum pulled out all the stops for Mr. Specter, even though there was a viable, real, actual, genuine conservative who could have won the nomination. Many of us were supportive of Mr. Schwarzenegger in California, and of Mr. Giuliani when he was running for different office in New York.
We recognize that real, conservative Republicans aren't going to play well with every electorate in every state.
But the office of President of the United States of America is a little different. Mr. Giuliani might pass for a Republican in New York, but not nationally. It is important that an actual Republican run for the presidency as the Republican nominee, rather than a liberal who calls himself a Republican.
I have nothing against Mr. Giuliani, I think he's a swell guy. If he wants to be mayor of New York City, or a US Senator from New York, or governor of New York, I'll cheer him on. Heck, I might even be persuaded to send a small donation.
But I won't support him or vote for him for President of the United States.
sitetest
I've heard this point made countless times, and yet I've never seen anyone present any kind of solid evidence to support it.
You said, in part: Nonetheless, I won't vote for Mr. Giuliani for president.
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Would you vote for Hillary, or essentially do so by not voting at all, if Giuliani were to be the candidate?
I agree. Rudy is a tough, and very patriotic man. I disagree with him on one or two issues, but he is strong and can make tough decisions. I can't imagine anyone who took the bull by the horns that Rudy did on 911.
Dear NCLaw441,
"Would you vote for Hillary, or essentially do so by not voting at all, if Giuliani were to be the candidate?"
No, I wouldn't vote for Mrs. Clinton. However, not voting for Mr. Giuliani is not the same as voting for Mrs. Clinton. It is not voting for Mr. Giuliani. In terms of the actual arithmetic of an election, although failing to vote for Mr. Giuliani would aid Mrs. Clinton, it wouldn't assist her as much as an actual vote for Mrs. Clinton.
However, that really all misses the point. The point is that if Mr. Giuliani is nominated by the Republican Party, a significant portion of the Republican coalition will be effectively disenfranchised in that the two candidates will be virtually indistinguishable on the issues that matter most to social conservatives. We will have already lost the election.
It would be different if the party wished to nominate someone who wasn't especially good on the primary social conservative issues. Someone like Sen. Allen, who appears to be in favor of overturning Roe, but who is not really all that pro-life, or someone like Sen. McCain, who may not be entirely sincere about our issues, would be acceptable, at least to me. We'd be getting a half loaf, or at least some significant part of the loaf that mattered to us. That's called compromise, settling for someone who isn't ideal, but who gives you some of what you want.
In Mr. Giuliani, however, we have the ideal candidate to drive away social conservatives. He's pro-abortion, including pro-partial birth abortion, pro-government-paid abortion, etc. He's pro-homosexual marriage, pro-homosexual adoption. He's very anti-RBKA (an important matter to many social conservatives). Furthermore, he's shown antipathy to other parts of the conservative platform, especially tax cuts. He loudly endorsed Mr. Cuomo over Mr. Pataki, and that's at a time when Mr. Pataki was behaving like a genuine budget-cutting conservative.
With Mr. Giuliani, we social conservatives not only don't get a half loaf, or even a slice, but not even a crumb. And we can hardly console ourselves that at least he's on board with the rest of the conservative agenda. With Mr. Giuliani, we essentially get someone who is a thorough-going liberal on every issue except the war.
I'm sorry, that's just not enough for my vote. If the rest of the party insists on a candidate that is absolutely unacceptable to a large group belonging to the party's coalition, then the party must expect to lose a significant percentage of that group.
sitetest
So if it was a choice between the witch or Rudy protecting this country are you going to stay home?
....."Lincoln Chaffee used to be a good Republican.
".........
Lincoln Chaffee has always been good for nothing.
He was a small town mayor, when his dad died in office, and was elevated way above his talent level by the governor.
He's got my vote.
Mine too. I spent 15 years in upstate NY and have followed Rudy for quite some time. He's a tough man and can make tough decisions. Too few folks have read his resume, nor have observed him in action.
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Thank you for your detailed and courteous reply. I certainly won't quarrel with you regarding Giuliani's conservative bona fides, or lack thereof, at least not for the purpose of this discussion. I do disagree about not voting for a candidate being practically any different than voting for the opponent. We have lived through presidential elections in which it was clear that every vote counts, and may be decisive.
Seldom have I voted for a candidate that meets all of MY qualifications. I do not typically vote solely on the basis of party affiliation, but will do so when I don't have enough information about the candidate, or when the two candidates seem otherwise indistinguishable from each other. I tend to prioritize my issues, and vote for the candidate who best appears (I have been fooled more than once by false promises) to embrace my highest priorities better than the other candidate(s). Unless I am utterly without a clue, I never fail to vote for whom I believe to be the better candidate, even if neither candidate is truly worthy of a vote. This method may not be totally honorable, but if I thought that my vote, or failure to vote, might decide an election, especially one in which any Clinton was running, and I failed to vote... well, let's not imagine that. I even voted for Dole in '96, when few thought there was much chance he would win (although he did get NC, as I recall).
Thank you again for your response, which I shall review again after posting this.
I support the President, being a committed Bushbot, and would vote for Rudy too.
She was given to monologues, I understand.
I'm a conservative and I think his hiring practices as mayor were fine.
1. Pro-illegal immigration.
2. Anti-gun.
3. Pro-gay.
4. Immoral hypocrite.
5. Scumbag friends.
6. Mixed fiscal record.
7. A total a--hole as a person.
THe only people who believe Rudy the RINO has a chance at the nomination are the idiots who believe what they read in the NY Post. GET A CLUE MORONS! RUDY AINT GOING TO GET IT!
Yep. Rudy is anything but the liberal some here make him out to be. If anyone saw his day to day activity in the city, they would know what a treasure he is. The city under Bloomberg is returning to its filthy history. Bums in the subways, dirty streets, etc. Rudy gave this city 100% every day. I know he would do the same for the country.
I think Giuliani would be fine on foreign policy. There are certain leaders who give off an aura of "don't mess with me". For example, if our dear President Reagan were in charge, it is highly unlikely Iran would be speaking out of turn as they are now - they would know that Reagan would destroy them, no questions asked.
Iran sees Bush as being weak, hobbled by unpopularity at home, and as such, are feeling empowered to speak out of turn.
Giuliani has that "don't mess with me" aura.
I do not agree with him on social issues - but given a choice between him and Hillary, the answer is obvious.
Regards, Ivan
As of this date, Rudy Giuliani's sole contribution to the "War on Terror" has been his recommendation to the Bush administration to hire Bernie Kerik -- Giuliani's dysfunctional, unqualified sycophant (and former personal bodyguard) -- to serve as the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Giuliani won't even run in 2008, since he knows better than anyone else that he'll probably suffer a loss Mondale-like proportions in either the GOP primaries or in the general election.
Interesting. I think we have this situation today in the WH. Huge domestic social spending and amnesty for illegal aliens are signs of a Conservative Republican?
I LIKE President Bush as a person, but W panders to the Left and has his priorities wrong on allowing illegal immigrants into our country. In retrospect, I think Cheney or Rummy would have taken differing approaches on these two of my hot buttons.
IMOHO
You are right about Rudy. I think Freepers will be surprised when they find out how popular Rudy is with Americans! We tend to live in our own little Bubble. It was fun to watch! He has standing room only sell outs whereever he goes and that includes down South where supposedly he is not very well liked. One thing Rudy knew how to do that Bush does not know how to do all the time is handle the press. Rudy used to drive the liberal media nuts!
When I was growing up, my Dad said that being mayor of NYC was one of the biggest jobs in the country. Mayors and governors don't legislate, per se; they manage.
You have something in common with Hillary then.
Right you are! It's getting really disgusting in this city. I'm tired of turning every corner to see a bum with half his pants off!
Interstingly, polls that show that Rudy gets support from GOP voters who approve of President Bush. While McCain gets support from GOP voters who disapprove of Bush (i.e. "moderate" republicans).
Talk about bizarro world.
This thread shows how and why a democrat will be the next President. When Iran then blows up, we'll get to be smug that we didn't give in on all the petty issues. We'll have lost on all those fronts anyway, and President Shumer or Clinton or Biden will roll over and let Muslims really get their crusade underway.
Fun times. Stock up on ammo. :-)
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