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French navy loses multi-million-dollar sonar at sea
Agence France Presse ^ | April 19, 2006 | AFP

Posted on 04/19/2006 8:44:57 AM PDT by inkling

PARIS (AFP) - The French navy made a red-faced admission that it had lost a multi-million dollar sonar navigation device after its cable ripped in stormy waters.

Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie confirmed a report in the satirical weekly Le Canard Enchaine, and said an investigation had been launched into how the three-million-euro (3.7-million-dollars) device was mislaid.

"An inquiry is underway to determine whether a technical or a human error is at the origin of this problem," she told reporters.

Le Canard Enchaine reported that the captain of the De Grasse frigate, decided against his lieutenants' advice to try out the 10-tonne sonar in rough seas, during an exercise in the southwestern Gulf of Gascony on March 24.

The top-of-the-range device -- one of the most sophisticated in the world, capable of detecting an enemy submarine at a distance of 150 kilometres (90 miles) -- was part of a 50-million-dollar underwater combat system.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cheese; cheeseeating; french; navy; sacrebleu; sonar; surrendermonkeys; whoops
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1 posted on 04/19/2006 8:45:02 AM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling
Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie

Come on, how can you take seriously a country with a Defense Minister named Michele?

2 posted on 04/19/2006 8:46:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: inkling

alternate headline? French Sonar Dish Surrenders itself to the Sea.


3 posted on 04/19/2006 8:46:48 AM PDT by Ingtar (I witnessed the birth of IPW)
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To: inkling

HA HA!


4 posted on 04/19/2006 8:46:51 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: inkling

Headline should have been: SONAR LOSES FRENCH NAVY AT SEA.


5 posted on 04/19/2006 8:47:42 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Ingtar

They probably sold it to Iran. I mean, what whould the French need a Sonar for? Their policy is surrender first.


6 posted on 04/19/2006 8:47:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The Democrat Party. For those who value slogans over solutions.)
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To: inkling

The captain's nickname wouldn't be "Old Yellow Stain" would it? (obscure "Caine Mutiny" reference.)


7 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:08 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: dfwgator


It is rumored that the device could distinguish her teeth at a range of 90 miles.
8 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:15 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: inkling

Even their towed arrays surrender at the first sign of danger.


9 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:15 AM PDT by Redcloak (Messing up perfectly good threads since 1998.)
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To: inkling

Ah, it's no big deal. To find such a large item in the sea, all they need is a large sonar that... whoops... never mind.


10 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:34 AM PDT by inkling
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To: inkling
You idiots lost what?


11 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:52 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dfwgator
French navy loses...

The French Navy always loses.

12 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:59 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: inkling

Karl Rove musta stolen it. Take that, Chirac!


13 posted on 04/19/2006 8:49:03 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: inkling

As fun as it is laughing at French military, sure sounds like the socialist labor that built the cable didn't do the job right. What the heck is the use of it if you can't use it in rough seas ?


14 posted on 04/19/2006 8:49:31 AM PDT by farlander (Strategery - sure beats liberalism!)
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To: inkling

The French have a Navy? I guess that's just in case they have to surrender at sea?


15 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:00 AM PDT by Huck
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To: inkling
Maybe it wasn't really lost. Maybe the ship's captain surrendered to it and is now saying only what the Petian-class device is allowing him to say.
16 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:43 AM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: farlander
sure sounds like the socialist labor that built the cable didn't do the job right.

Good luck firing them.

17 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: TexasCajun

Not to worry, Inspector Clouseau is on the case.

18 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: inkling

Perhaps he was searching for the prop that fell of their state-of-the-art aircraft carrier a few years back.


19 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:40 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: MNJohnnie
They probably sold it to Iran.

I had the same thought.

What better way to hide a sale of this technology than to say " we lost it at sea."

I don't trust the French any further than I can throw one of their Sonars into the sea.

20 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:40 AM PDT by A message
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To: inkling

La merde se produit.


21 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:57 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (The french- beyond your expectations!)
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To: inkling

Speaking an an old Oceanographer: If you put something over the side at sea, be prepared to loose it.


22 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:59 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends-ping The bottom is not where you think it is; Ship screws love cable.)
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To: farlander

Actually, sonars don't function too well in rough seas (even when their cable doesn't part) because of the higher level of background acoustic noise from waves crashing, etc. The captain will be retiring very soon....


23 posted on 04/19/2006 8:54:59 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Huck
The French have a Navy? I guess that's just in case they have to surrender at sea?

Why do Ze French have glass-bottomed boats?
So they can see their navy.

24 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:17 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: inkling
Le Canard Enchaine reported that the captain of the De Grasse frigate, decided against his lieutenants' advice to try out the 10-tonne sonar in rough seas, during an exercise in the southwestern Gulf of Gascony on March 24.

Ah, but the strawberries! That's, that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with, with geometric logic, that, that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox did exist. And I would have produced that key if they hadn't pulled the Caine out of action. I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer.

25 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:22 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: dfwgator; All
A barrister by profession, doctor of law and senior lecturer at Paris-I University, Michèle Alliot-Marie also has a master's degree in ethnology.

And so — voila! —Minister of Defense.

26 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:24 AM PDT by dighton
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To: inkling
Ping. /obligatory sonar joke
27 posted on 04/19/2006 8:56:36 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Ship screws love cable.

Yes, and doesn't the cable just love to enfold them.

28 posted on 04/19/2006 8:57:34 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: inkling

Surrender monkeys lose another round in the war games.


29 posted on 04/19/2006 8:58:59 AM PDT by hgro
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To: farlander
As fun as it is laughing at French military, sure sounds like the socialist labor that built the cable didn't do the job right.

Did they use hemp? I hear there is nothing hemp can't do.

30 posted on 04/19/2006 8:58:59 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: TexasCajun

Priceless. lol


31 posted on 04/19/2006 9:00:48 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: inkling

Can't be any worse that the nookniks at NASA putting the mirrors on backwards on the multi-billion dollar Hubble when it was first launched years ago. Then it took at least a year or better to launch a fix-it shuttle at another multi-billion cost. Yep, dummies appear at all levels of inefficient governments.


32 posted on 04/19/2006 9:01:08 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: dfwgator

Thats Chief Inspector


33 posted on 04/19/2006 9:02:49 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: inkling
...its cable ripped in stormy waters.

Probably the propeller from the Charles de Gaulle severed the cable as it sank to the ocean floor.

34 posted on 04/19/2006 9:03:14 AM PDT by Plutarch
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I wouldn't be too hard on the French for this. The US Navy has had multimillion dollar aircraft roll off elevator platforms when cables weren't correctly used. Ouch.


35 posted on 04/19/2006 9:03:53 AM PDT by vollmond (Careful with that axe, Eugene!)
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To: inkling
FS De Grasse D612 (Note: Actual Ship supplied may not have all accessories shown in illustration)


36 posted on 04/19/2006 9:05:10 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (A pessimist is what an optimist calls a realist)
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To: lilylangtree

They didn't put the mirrors on backwards. they ground the lens for the wrong focal length (think down, not up).


37 posted on 04/19/2006 9:06:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Ingtar

LOL!


38 posted on 04/19/2006 9:07:27 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: MNJohnnie
"I mean, what whould the French need a Sonar for?"

To locate the rest of their fleet, perhaps??

Okay, that was too easy...
39 posted on 04/19/2006 9:07:36 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: inkling

Sacre Bleu!


40 posted on 04/19/2006 9:09:15 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Oztrich Boy
Yeppers. I'm afraid that white thingy with wings ain't there no mo.

It's actually pretty easy to lose a towed array if you deploy it in adverse sea conditions. That's why they have winches.

41 posted on 04/19/2006 9:10:06 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: inkling
CIA Factbook on France

(slightly edited)

42 posted on 04/19/2006 9:10:14 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: lilylangtree
Then there was the NASA Mars Climate Orbiter imperial and metric units mixup:

The flight software installed on the spacecraft correctly computed the velocity change and transmitted it to earth. The ground software, however, was originally written for the Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) mission, and the MGS flight software did not compute nor transmit velocity change information. The ground software, then, discarded the transmitted velocity change and recomputed it. Since the Mars Climate orbiter used a differently-sized thruster than Mars Global Surveyor, an update to the thruster equation in the ground software was necessary. The conversion factor from pound-seconds to newton-seconds was buried in the original equation and not immediately identifiable, and so it was not included in the updated equation. Thus, the ground software reported calculated "impulse bits" which were a factor of 4.45 too large (1 pound force = 4.45 newtons). Subsequent processing of the calculated impulse bit values from the AMD file by the navigation software underestimated the effect of the thruster firings on the spacecraft trajectory by this factor.

43 posted on 04/19/2006 9:10:38 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: inkling

They were probably trying to find the propeller that fell off their aircraft carrier.


44 posted on 04/19/2006 9:10:58 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: inkling

Anyone remember the Charles DeGaulle losing a prop on its maiden voyage?


45 posted on 04/19/2006 9:11:16 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: SlowBoat407

Thanks for the clarification. I remembered it was something to do with the mirrors but I didn't recall exactly what.


46 posted on 04/19/2006 9:13:55 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

Speaking as one who has been thru many hurricanes, If you put something over the side in a storm, and expect it to stay connected, you are an idiot!.........Sacre Bleu! Ze rope! She is broke!.........


47 posted on 04/19/2006 9:15:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (In warfare there are no constant conditions. --- The Art of War by SunTzu)
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To: Plutarch

Bet it took billions from to start to finish to correct the problem, huh?


48 posted on 04/19/2006 9:15:22 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: inkling
Did someone say French navy?


49 posted on 04/19/2006 9:17:47 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: SlowBoat407

LOL yup. "We've ground several mirrors to the same specification for Keyhole satellites...whoops."


50 posted on 04/19/2006 9:18:05 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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