Skip to comments.Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum
TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.
Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course "You can't get through to the president any other way" to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.
Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.
"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."
Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.
"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."
But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.
Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:
Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.
Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.
"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."
Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.
Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.
Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.
"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.
He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.
Texas is a right-to-work state, Dane. Personally I hope they employ criminales.
That right there is called a damning indictment.
Posting from an engineer's perspective:
Assuming there is 2000 miles of border (just an estimate), that's 10,560,000 feet. At an estimated $150 per foot, that comes to $1.584 Trillion. Let's assume half of the border needs to be fenced due to natural barriers, that's still over $750 Billion to do the job. If each donor buys a foot of wall, that will require 5.2 million US citizens to donate $150 each. Probably feasible, but it's gonna take a lot of work.
Much cheaper if we buy the parts from Walmart.
-ducks head down-
Unincorporated areas, pal.
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.""
Don't know where YOU live, but for those of who have had this illegal intruder problem shoved into our faces for over 30 years- STFU. I would contribute to a wall in a heartbeat, and I am living on less than $1000.month Soc Sec.
Hey! Personally I'd like to see us have camps with this kind of fencing where we could concentrate the criminales all in one place. I realize that isn't going to fly (yet), so this is a nice alternative.
Wow did not take long for someone to bring out that red herring... The Berlin wall was about keeping a population trapped within borders. A fence on the US border is about keeping people who come here illegally out!
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.
I find the fact we are contemplating for the second time in two decades excusing millions of law breakers slightly more embarrassing..
I don't think it'll be that hard to get 5 million fed up Americans to open their wallets. I'm pretty tight with a buck, but I'll send money to build a wall in a heartbeat.
What makes you think these criminales can read?
I am a Native New Mexican, fourth generation. New Mexico is a combination of many different cultures and much the better for it.
$1.58 MM. That's not very much really.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Is money or family involved in your opinion?
I am a Minuteman...I am not a bigot..I am a law abiding citizen...legal means something to me..but I am beginning to wonder why I abide by the laws of this country..I seems okay not to according to our politicians and the Liberal media...
I'm all for this but it will likely be tied up in court for years over enviromental & endangered spieces issues.
Anywhere you build a significant structure or dig a big trench, even on your own property, can be challenged by allies of the OBL, not the least of which will be state & federal permitting & regulatory agencies.
As for building the project itself, as described in the article, a 75' or so cross section with the trench, two heavy-duty fences and a gravel or dirt road would be the same as building a state or county roadway project and would need to get all the necessary approvals & have the engineering plans reviewed and accepted, construction inspections, erosion control, etc. These matters could be handled relatively easy in a friendly environment but we know many parties will do whatever they can to stop construction.
Good luck to the MM, but be prepared for hefty legal fees & permitting fees and the labor expenses to deal with the red tape.
I suspect this attempt will prove unfruitful. Nevertheless, leaving aside the name-calling, hyperbolic comparisons, and personal emotional responses, allow me to ask a straightfoward question. Perhaps it will help locate the exact point of the not inconsiderable disagreement apparent on this thread.
Do you think a nation should exercise control over the flow of non-citizens into its territory?
Well, you'll need a lot of donors.
2000 miles X 5280 ft/mile x $150 = $1.584B""
Still cheaper than the money they are taking out of this country- both with theft of services they don't pay for and the money they send in cash back to Mexico.
I will send $150 for a foot.
This goes without saying, but any "Fed" that doesn't want progress to be made needs to be replaced with one who does. We need to start targeting the ones that need to be defeated so the people know who to vote against.
You better think much larger and stop this foolishness. We have MILLIONS of illegal people pouring across our borders.
To hell with the jobs, the American people better pay attention to these 3rd world people bringing diseases into this country that we wiped out decades ago here.
Wonder how the mumps got going by the 1000's now?
How about TB outbreaks that the CDC doesn't discuss?
Think big, little man.
Dane you're so liberal you probably think the US shouldn't have a military.