Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Minutemen to Bush: Build Fence or We Will
Associated Press ^ | ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN

Posted on 04/20/2006 6:12:54 AM PDT by 300magnum

TUCSON, Ariz. - Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox has a message for President Bush: Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Simcox said Wednesday that he's sending an ultimatum to the president, through the media, of course — "You can't get through to the president any other way" — to deploy military reserves and the National Guard to the Arizona border by May 25.

Or, Simcox said, by the Memorial Day weekend Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers and supporters will break ground to start erecting fencing privately.

"We have had landowners approach," Simcox said in an interview. "We've been working on this idea for a while. We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise."

Simcox said a half-dozen landowners along the Arizona-Mexico border have said they will allow fencing to be placed on their borderlands, and others in California, Texas and New Mexico have agreed to do so as well.

"Certainly, as with everything else, we're only able to cover a small portion of the border," Simcox said. "The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

But he said the plan is to put up secure fencing that truly will be an effective deterrent, and to show how easily it can be accomplished.

Simcox gave this description of the envisioned barrier-and-fencing complex:

Start with a 6-foot deep trench so a vehicle can't crash through; behind it, roll of concertina (coiled, razor-edged barbed wire), in front of a 15-foot high heavy-gauge steel mesh fence angled outward at the top.

Behind the fence will be a 60- to 70-foot wide unpaved but graded dirt road, along with inexpensive, mounted video cameras that can be monitored from home computers. On the other side of the road will be a second, 15-foot fence, with more concertina wire on its outside.

"It's a very simple, effective design based on feedback we've had from Border Patrol and the military," Simcox said. "It's a fence that can be built on the cheap, effective and secure."

Simcox said supporters will try to build the fencing with volunteer labor. Surveyors and contractors have offered to help with the design and survey work, he said, and some have said they will provide heavy equipment.

Simcox said those involved in the planning hope to keep costs to between $125 and $150 a foot.

Access to land literally on the border is an issue because so much is state-leased trust property or federally owned, he said.

"You may have to deal with a situation where private property owners erect their own fences and may be faced with the president sending the National Guard to prevent them from protecting their private property," Simcox said.

He said the Minuteman plan is "to keep turning up the heat" until President Bush has to respond somehow.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: borderfence; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; minutemen; openborders
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 301-331 next last
To: MadeInAmerica
The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America

And the exaxt quote in the Constitution where it says Americans should build a wall?

Whew you sound like the liberals with this "living Constitution" stuff.

51 posted on 04/20/2006 7:16:14 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

They just want a better life for themselves and their families



So do I, does this mean I get to break into the big house on the hill with a pool and 4 acres of land, and I get the "right" to live there for the rest of my life? If anyone that lives there already has a problem, does that make them bigots or just p.o.'ed homeowners?

I just want a better life!


52 posted on 04/20/2006 7:16:58 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Procrastinators of the world UNITE!!!.....Tomorrow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: trubluolyguy
Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- um....because they are trying to keep people OUT not IN?

It would be just as ugly no matter which side it was seen.

53 posted on 04/20/2006 7:17:30 AM PDT by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Dane

Is that Jamie Lee Curtis slapping the mortar on?


54 posted on 04/20/2006 7:19:09 AM PDT by JZelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
The only embarrassment the Minute men and women have to face is that they have to takeover the job our Gov't won't do...

God Bless these Patriots.

55 posted on 04/20/2006 7:19:15 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (NO, you can't!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: JZelle

Looks a little more like Leonardo DiCaprio


56 posted on 04/20/2006 7:19:50 AM PDT by new cruelty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
There is 3 billion people that would LOVE to come to America...but that WOULD ruin it for all of us...

all Countries have Borders.....what does Mexico do on their southern border....they shoot to kill...


I am for legal immigration...not an invasion...
57 posted on 04/20/2006 7:20:40 AM PDT by Youngman442002
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

It would be just as ugly no matter which side it was seen.




You know what's ugly? My home town 2,000 miles from Mexico now resembles a back alley of Mexico City. English is quickly being supplanted by Spanish. If I wanted to live in a disgusting hellhole like Mexico I'd friggin' move there.


58 posted on 04/20/2006 7:21:43 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Procrastinators of the world UNITE!!!.....Tomorrow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum
Great!

Now they will face the legal hurdles put up by the enviro NAZIS and the Fed can put more effort into litigating the cases already filed.

59 posted on 04/20/2006 7:21:48 AM PDT by Cold Heat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
No, just welcoming good people to America.

By good people, I would assume you mean "law abiding". Illegally entering the country is antithetical to the entire idea of "good people".

60 posted on 04/20/2006 7:23:20 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Youngman442002
yesterday in Denver the DUMB students walked out

?! When and where was this?
61 posted on 04/20/2006 7:24:12 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

Come on, surely you cannot be this stupid and say they are good people. You apparently have no life and just want to argue. Anyway, it keeps pumping this thread.


62 posted on 04/20/2006 7:25:14 AM PDT by Dante3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Dane

The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America
And the exaxt quote in the Constitution where it says Americans should build a wall?

Whew you sound like the liberals with this "living Constitution" stuff.
_____________________________________________________________

Our Government WILL protect our borders from Invasion. Have you ever read it? Obviously not.

Only an IDIOT would consider 30 million ILLEGALS pouring over our borders not an invasion.


63 posted on 04/20/2006 7:27:14 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: MadeInAmerica
The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America

The racists and bigots who have stolen the name of the Minute Men are only an example of racism and bigotry. That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of.

64 posted on 04/20/2006 7:29:07 AM PDT by LPM1888 ("If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: hershey
Doubtless the admin. will dig up a dusty law that says you can't build a fence on an international border without govt. approval.

Then call them hog pens or chicken coops, or build 20 foot high outhouses......with very deep pits......

It ain'y a fence anymore.....

65 posted on 04/20/2006 7:29:33 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum

Did'jall hear about the feller that's going to start a Radio Free Mexico in a few months? It sounded really interesting. He thinks he is going to buy time in Mexico City, Veracruz, Monterrey, places like that, and tell the people the truth. He says Mexico has freedom of the press, he's going to say not that much different than what Calderon stands for... I don't think the mexican goobernment is going to like it much, and I don't think they're going to allow it to happen.


66 posted on 04/20/2006 7:31:14 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

Obviously you are not living in a border state....unless you are simple and just plain dirt stupid.... If you are, I sincerely wish you a speedy recovery....

67 posted on 04/20/2006 7:31:56 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: hershey

They'll just invoke Eminent Domain. Sounds a lot like Manifest Destiny in this context.


68 posted on 04/20/2006 7:31:59 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: newcthem

I agree with Ann Coulter. Send all the illegals BACK to the border, put them to work building the wall. MY idea is AFTER they build they wall, put them on the south side and have them dig a moat. When they finish we have solved two problems - we're on OUR side and they're on THEIR side.


69 posted on 04/20/2006 7:32:29 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

It would be just as ugly no matter which side it was seen.



I don't care how ugly it is, I care that it's effective.


70 posted on 04/20/2006 7:32:35 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Procrastinators of the world UNITE!!!.....Tomorrow.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum

I will pay AND help build it! Great idea.


71 posted on 04/20/2006 7:33:37 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

I don't get it.

Why are they a disgrace?

Since when is it a disgrace to protect your country from invasion??


72 posted on 04/20/2006 7:33:47 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

The Minute Men are the example of the Constitution of these United States of America
The racists and bigots who have stolen the name of the Minute Men are only an example of racism and bigotry. That is something for all Americans to be ashamed of.
___________________________________________________________

Racism-Bigotry? You must be a troll for DUmmies. I do not want 30 MILLION of ANY RACE to come into this country ILLEGALLY.

Now take your race card and shove it. That card is no longer accepted in this country!


73 posted on 04/20/2006 7:34:02 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888; Redleg Duke
----------Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

----------The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

-----Threatening your good deal with the illegals, eh?

--No, just welcoming good people to America.


The, "Good People," are the ones who are waiting patiently to become legal citizens. Who are also the ones to be trampled over to appease the pro-illegal crowd.

Ask a legal immigrant this and he/she'll agree.
Just do it carefully. Legal immigrants are the most angered about illegal alien amnesty. Things might get ugly.
74 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:18 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum

Posting from an engineer's perspective:

Assuming there is 2000 miles of border (just an estimate), that's 10,560,000 feet. At an estimated $150 per foot, that comes to $1.584 Trillion. Let's assume half of the border needs to be fenced due to natural barriers, that's still over $750 Billion to do the job. If each donor buys a foot of wall, that will require 5.2 million US citizens to donate $150 each. Probably feasible, but it's gonna take a lot of work.


75 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:29 AM PDT by tx4guns (Guns don't murder people; stupid people murder people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SwinneySwitch; HiJinx; 300magnum
Build new security fencing along the border with Mexico or private citizens will.

Barn Raiser!

76 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jason_b

The pound-per-square-inch pressure those little jaws can produce is remarkable!


77 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:56 AM PDT by johnny7 (ďNah, I ainít Jewish, I just donít dig on swine, thatís all.Ē)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum

Where do I send $100 contribution??????


78 posted on 04/20/2006 7:35:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

Gimme a break. You know why they would do this, outside of the publicity? Because the ranch families need help. They have tens and hundreds of unscrupulous, sometimes desperate men crossing their ranches every night. Often they commit property crimes. Sometimes they commit violent crimes. The people can't get any help. So this will help them be safe, and coincidentally it will make it much more difficult for the criminales to get into the country.

A fence is the way to go. Once they're in you have to deal with them, and the money pump never stops. Keep them out and they remain Vince's problema.


79 posted on 04/20/2006 7:36:24 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: JZelle

LOL! I thought it was Leo DeCrapio.


80 posted on 04/20/2006 7:36:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Dane

Texas is a right-to-work state, Dane. Personally I hope they employ criminales.


81 posted on 04/20/2006 7:36:56 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: 300magnum
"The state and federal government have bought up most of the land around the border. I suspect that's why we'll never get control of the border."

That right there is called a damning indictment.

82 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:05 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tx4guns

Posting from an engineer's perspective:

Assuming there is 2000 miles of border (just an estimate), that's 10,560,000 feet. At an estimated $150 per foot, that comes to $1.584 Trillion. Let's assume half of the border needs to be fenced due to natural barriers, that's still over $750 Billion to do the job. If each donor buys a foot of wall, that will require 5.2 million US citizens to donate $150 each. Probably feasible, but it's gonna take a lot of work.
________________________________________________________

Much cheaper if we buy the parts from Walmart.

-ducks head down-

ROFL


83 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:26 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Unincorporated areas, pal.


84 posted on 04/20/2006 7:37:42 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.""

Don't know where YOU live, but for those of who have had this illegal intruder problem shoved into our faces for over 30 years- STFU. I would contribute to a wall in a heartbeat, and I am living on less than $1000.month Soc Sec.


85 posted on 04/20/2006 7:38:06 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Dane

Hey! Personally I'd like to see us have camps with this kind of fencing where we could concentrate the criminales all in one place. I realize that isn't going to fly (yet), so this is a nice alternative.


86 posted on 04/20/2006 7:38:55 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
Why don't they just build the Berlin Wall while they're at it?

Wow did not take long for someone to bring out that red herring... The Berlin wall was about keeping a population trapped within borders. A fence on the US border is about keeping people who come here illegally out!

The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

I find the fact we are contemplating for the second time in two decades excusing millions of law breakers slightly more embarrassing..

87 posted on 04/20/2006 7:39:30 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: tx4guns

I don't think it'll be that hard to get 5 million fed up Americans to open their wallets. I'm pretty tight with a buck, but I'll send money to build a wall in a heartbeat.


88 posted on 04/20/2006 7:39:55 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Cyclops08

What makes you think these criminales can read?


89 posted on 04/20/2006 7:39:55 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: cbkaty
Obviously you are not living in a border state....unless you are simple and just plain dirt stupid.... If you are, I sincerely wish you a speedy recovery....

I am a Native New Mexican, fourth generation. New Mexico is a combination of many different cultures and much the better for it.

90 posted on 04/20/2006 7:41:16 AM PDT by LPM1888 ("If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: plain talk

$1.58 MM. That's not very much really.


91 posted on 04/20/2006 7:41:18 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888
The so called "Minute Men" have become an embarrassment to America and a disgrace to the name they have stolen.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much. Is money or family involved in your opinion?

92 posted on 04/20/2006 7:41:41 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (America is the land of the free BECAUSE of the BRAVE !! BUILD THE WALL! PROTECT OUR BORDERS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: N3WBI3

I am a Minuteman...I am not a bigot..I am a law abiding citizen...legal means something to me..but I am beginning to wonder why I abide by the laws of this country..I seems okay not to according to our politicians and the Liberal media...


93 posted on 04/20/2006 7:42:18 AM PDT by Youngman442002
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: hershey
Hilarious. (Doubtless the admin. will dig up a dusty law that says you can't build a fence on an international border without govt. approval.)

I'm all for this but it will likely be tied up in court for years over enviromental & endangered spieces issues.

Anywhere you build a significant structure or dig a big trench, even on your own property, can be challenged by allies of the OBL, not the least of which will be state & federal permitting & regulatory agencies.

As for building the project itself, as described in the article, a 75' or so cross section with the trench, two heavy-duty fences and a gravel or dirt road would be the same as building a state or county roadway project and would need to get all the necessary approvals & have the engineering plans reviewed and accepted, construction inspections, erosion control, etc. These matters could be handled relatively easy in a friendly environment but we know many parties will do whatever they can to stop construction.

Good luck to the MM, but be prepared for hefty legal fees & permitting fees and the labor expenses to deal with the red tape.

94 posted on 04/20/2006 7:42:34 AM PDT by citizen (Yo W! Read my lips: No Amnistia by any name! And the White House has a fence around it!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

I suspect this attempt will prove unfruitful. Nevertheless, leaving aside the name-calling, hyperbolic comparisons, and personal emotional responses, allow me to ask a straightfoward question. Perhaps it will help locate the exact point of the not inconsiderable disagreement apparent on this thread.

Do you think a nation should exercise control over the flow of non-citizens into its territory?


95 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:32 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: plain talk

Well, you'll need a lot of donors.

2000 miles X 5280 ft/mile x $150 = $1.584B""

Still cheaper than the money they are taking out of this country- both with theft of services they don't pay for and the money they send in cash back to Mexico.

I will send $150 for a foot.


96 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: normy
progress will be made that the Feds do not want made.

This goes without saying, but any "Fed" that doesn't want progress to be made needs to be replaced with one who does. We need to start targeting the ones that need to be defeated so the people know who to vote against.

97 posted on 04/20/2006 7:43:45 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: LPM1888

You better think much larger and stop this foolishness. We have MILLIONS of illegal people pouring across our borders.

To hell with the jobs, the American people better pay attention to these 3rd world people bringing diseases into this country that we wiped out decades ago here.

Wonder how the mumps got going by the 1000's now?

How about TB outbreaks that the CDC doesn't discuss?

Think big, little man.


98 posted on 04/20/2006 7:44:44 AM PDT by MadeInAmerica (- If ILLEGAL means Undocumented - Then Breaking and Entering means Unannounced Visit)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: Youngman442002

Thank you..


99 posted on 04/20/2006 7:45:28 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: Dane

Dane you're so liberal you probably think the US shouldn't have a military.


100 posted on 04/20/2006 7:46:12 AM PDT by Flavius Josephus (Nationalism is not a crime.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 301-331 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson