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To: joesnuffy
Homosexuality is shameful

Depends on whether you distinguish the orientation from the activity. The activity can be reasonably condemned as shameful but I would caution going into the territory where the orientation, even considered an innate disorder is shameful. You might be able to control what (or who) you do but it's pretty established the burden of homosexual urges, desires or affections are not taken upon oneself of free will. Someone homosexuals would agree it is shameful which is what tears them up inside as they struggle with it.

28 posted on 04/20/2006 8:37:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Don't use illegals: HIREPATRIOTS.COM)
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To: newzjunkey
We do not know if there is an innate orientation to homosexuality. Just because homosexuals say they were innately born that way does not mean there is scientific proof of that held belief. It has not been shown with genetics. So if it is innate it must be in how their brain functions. Or is it more a choice. I say we do not know. I also know that not all homosexuals believe they were born that way. Some admit it is a lifestyle choice. I know two homosexuals very well. And I asked them one day about it. They told me they had been in the homosexual scene for many years and they both said it was a choice for them. They prefer that lifestyle. But these guys were also aganist homosexual marriage. Or adoption by gay people. Not all gays are the loud activist type. Most probably are not. That is a very small vocal group.
31 posted on 04/20/2006 9:48:35 PM PDT by therut
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To: newzjunkey
Homosexuality is shameful

Depends on whether you distinguish the orientation from the activity.

The context of the terms of this debate leave no ambiguity as to their meaning on either side. "Homosexuality" by the pro-gay side here, obviously means "gay, out and proud." Both sides know this. People aren't "silent" about issues they are truly silent about.

38 posted on 04/22/2006 9:49:58 AM PDT by fwdude (If at first you don't succeed .......... form a committee and hire a consultant.)
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