'Westerners are too self-absorbed'[Dalai Lama on Homosexuality, etc.]

Telegraph ^ | 4/1/2006 | Alice Thompson

[Unam Sanctam]

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Although he is known for his tolerant, humane views, he is a surprisingly harsh critic of homosexuality. If you are a Buddhist, he says, it is wrong. "Full stop.

No way round it.

"A gay couple came to see me, seeking my support and blessing. I had to explain our teachings. Another lady introduced another woman as her wife - astonishing. It is the same with a husband and wife using certain sexual practices. Using the other two holes is wrong."

At this point, he looks across at his interpreter - who seems mainly redundant - to check that he has been using the right English words to discuss this delicate matter. The interpreter gives a barely perceptible nod.

"A Western friend asked me what harm could there be between consenting adults having oral sex, if they enjoyed it," the Dalai Lama continues, warming to his theme. "But the purpose of sex is reproduction, according to Buddhism. The other holes don't create life. I don't mind - but I can't condone this way of life."

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[Unam Sanctam]

This sounds like Catholic teaching on homosexuality, but of course it comes from the Liberal Icon Dalai Lama rather than that mean old Pope, so the Dalai will get a pass ...

[dfwgator]

His pal Richard Gere isn't going to be very happy to hear this.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

But the gerbil will be relieved...

[Theresawithanh]

"Using the other two holes is wrong."

I, um, oh, nevermind....

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

I used to have a lot of respect for this guy, but, after seeing him on stage with Dennis Kucinich(spit, hack!), I'm starting to have some doubts. And:" Using the other two holes is wrong."?? That's none of his business. Dalai Lama Lama Ding Dong

[mbraynard]

Just looking at the headline, I was wondering how many posts before this came up.

Turns out, the answer is THREE!

Well met, Hoosier-Daddy, well met, indeed.

[Williams]

We have a totally selfish and shallow society (generalizing here of course) that is constantly shocked to learn that the leaders of the World's religions do not just come out and say "if it feels good, do it."

These are men of great spiritual learning and commitment, they are trying to attain a higher level for humanity than living like animals or worse. Let's face it, that higher standard isn't always convenient for most of us. But it ought to be obvious that acting out our basest fantasies is not a road to enlightenment.

I don't expect to find the Dalai Lhama at a go go bar, and I don't expect him to tell me it would be just peachy if I go there, either.

[monkapotamus]

"So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

[Fitzcarraldo]

I put credence in the theory that if you can preoccupy a civilization in sexual pursuits (beyond the norm, especially), it will be much easier to destroy.

[Williams]

It's not like he came to your house and told you what to do. He was asked and he gave his opinion, based on his religious beliefs. If you don't want to follow the Dhali Lhama, don't. I know I don't, but as a Catholic I get the same answer from my spiritual leader.

You know, perhaps it's not his business if I want to screw a goat. And maybe I like goats. But when he tells me its not the best thing, am I really going to argue with him? There was a time when people respected the views of religious leaders, even if we can't all live up to them.

[Unam Sanctam]

The Dalai Lama has every right to express his religious and moral beliefs on homosexual activity, as does any traditional Christian believer.

[dead]

[pravknight]

"Gay couple" Now that's a propaganda meme if I ever saw one.
Just call them two homosexuals.

[ßuddaßudd]

If you would clearly see the truth, discard opinions pro and con.

[Unam Sanctam]

True, I also object to the use of the political term "gay" and prefer instead the more clinical and neutral term "homosexual". However, the thrust of the Dalai Lama's teaching about the reproductive purpose of sex and the wrongfulness of homosexual activity is not inconsistent with Catholic teaching.

[Unam Sanctam]

That picture is pretty vile...

[Calpernia]

That is why all the tree hugger freaks want to re wild the world. Animals don't judge (morally).

And they exist at id level.

Relgions create a super ego.

[michigander]

Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga.

Thank you for that.
It's good to know that I wasn't the only person that was going to post it. LMAO!

[little jeremiah]

The Dalai Lama gets it. Great. Now if only all the westernized faux Buddhists will listen.

[siunevada]

Relgions create a super ego.

So, in the golden time before anyone dreamed up a religion, the super-ego did not exist?

That religion must be pretty persuasive stuff. Is the super-ego inherently alien to human nature?

[TBP]

Very interesting views from the Dalai Lama. I wonder if the people who flock to see him ar eaware of these views.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

You're right, of course. I think the thing that really ticked me off was seeing him give creedance to Dennis The Short's commie statements. It was disheartening, to say the least. I'm from the Cleveland area, can't you tell? :)

[ansel12]

My favorite movie monologue of all time.

[ravingnutter]

Using the other two holes is wrong.

But...but...but...a blow job is not sex...Bill Clinton told us so, ROTFLMAO!

[Thorin]

>>>>>>This sounds like Catholic teaching on homosexuality, but of course it comes from the Liberal Icon Dalai Lama rather than that mean old Pope, so the Dalai will get a pass ...

You are exactly right.

[tet68]

Certainly, he makes no secret of it.

[lOKKI]

Religions create a super ego.

So, in the golden time before anyone dreamed up a religion, the super-ego did not exist?

That religion must be pretty persuasive stuff. Is the super-ego inherently alien to human nature?

Actually there was no golden time before religion... the primitives simply didn't have the tools to make graven idols that would stand the test of time or the writing skills to blog about their beliefs.

[headsonpikes]

Relgions create a super ego.

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So, in the golden time before anyone dreamed up a religion, the super-ego did not exist?

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Yee-haw!

Metaphysical Cage-Battle to the Death!

[Cecily]

Maybe not. He may have just lost his cachet with the Hollyweirdo and limo liberal crowd.

[SuziQ]

This is likely going to surprise a lot of folks who THINK they are following Buddhist principles.

[Adder]

"I don't mind - but I can't condone this way of life."

He responded to a question. Good for him. More people ought to voice their beliefs instead of caving to the mishappen idea that moality is just ok.

He spoke it well.

[Candor7]

Did the Lama score a one holer?

[SWAMPSNIPER]

I truly believe that he tries to be as good a man as possible, based on his precepts and principles. I surely have no quarrel with him.
He would be interesting to know.

[fuyb]

http://www.greenapple.com/~andyshupe/videos/lq/dalailama_lq.wmv

[SouthernFreebird]

Using the other two holes is wrong."

I tried telling my ex the very same thing.

[Calpernia]

Do you have supportive evidence of a super ego existing before religion?

[siunevada]

Do you have supportive evidence of a super ego existing before religion?

Mmmm, yeah. Just let me check the files.

Do you have supportive evidence that there was a time when religion did not exist?

headsonspikes is going to be very disappointed if we don't start tossing insults back and forth here.

I think we may be in the realm of speculation without any supporting evidence.

[Chickensoup]

Bumpt

[Calpernia]

>>>Do you have supportive evidence that there was a time when religion did not exist?

Old testament stories.

>>>headsonspikes is going to be very disappointed if we don't start tossing insults back and forth here.

It is Friday night. I think HeadsonPikes understands delays.

[siunevada]

Old testament stories.

So it all started when Cain and Abel made their offerings to the LORD? Genesis 4:3

There's not a lot of human history preceeding that event in the Old Testament.

Or perhaps Genesis 4:26. Of course, it would appear that Adam and Eve are still alive at that point.

Well, all that aside, Dr. Freud did think that religious teaching, among other things, was a source of the internalized norms and taboos he believed constituted the super-ego.

I wonder if Freud ever dealt with the 'chicken or egg' question of which came first? If one does not have a pre-existing super-ego, how would one even have the ability to dream up a religion that would impose a super-ego on oneself?

Well, it's just idle speculation as to how it all got started.

[Windsong]

ROTFL!

[Windsong]

But...but...but...a blow job is not sex...Bill Clinton told us so, ROTFLMAO!

Depends on what the meaning of IS, is.

[Calpernia]

The old testament is full of stories of how people lived in sin (id). The old testament shows the steps that were taken to inject moral living (ego) up to adapting a superego.

[Windsong]

So it all started when Cain and Abel made their offerings to the LORD? Genesis 4:3

Make you wonder why the angels in Genesis took some of the females, doesnt it? I mean..if you don't have Mr. Johnson down there, why take them? Or maybe they traded them like baseball cards? (the pretty ones I mean)

[RobbyS]

Most western "Buddhists" know diddly about the religion.

[DLfromthedesert]

His English may not be the best, but he is theologically and physiologically correct.

If the parts don't match, you must unlatch.

[siunevada]

The old testament shows the steps that were taken to inject moral living (ego) up to adapting a superego.

Really? I thought the old Doctor's structural theory went something like this:

The id contains "primitive desires" (hunger, rage, and sex), the super-ego contains internalized norms, morality and taboos, and the ego mediates between the two and may include or give rise to the sense of self.

[headsonpikes]

Come on, nevada sue - Calpernia's holding up her end!

If I were you, I'd go after the apparent implicit acceptance of the Freudian personality structure in Cal's thesis.

As an opening foray, so to speak.

;^)

[Calpernia]

Yes.

[roadrunner96]

Okay, but seriously, earlier one said he was a liberal icon and friend of Gere; I suppose that is so, I read his autobiography; I don't know about all Buddhists but I thought he was too "NonGod believing" for me (and everyone loves him,--- okay not everyone); I don't know if this pertains to all of those branches of Buddhism. I've read some; seems there are branches and some might imho.