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Wartime Dissent Is Part Of Patriotism, Kerry Says
Washington Post ^ | April 23, 2006 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 04/22/2006 3:21:09 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Thirty-five years after Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry (D) appeared before a Senate committee to call for an end to the war in Vietnam, he defended that decision yesterday in a speech in his home town and linked it to his current insistence on an early drawdown of troops from Iraq.

Kerry, in remarks delivered in Boston's Faneuil Hall Marketplace, cast dissent in wartime as a patriotic act -- a response to Republican critics who insist that questioning the conduct of the war in Iraq emboldens America's enemies.

"I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties," he said. "They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin."

Yesterday's address was the latest move in Kerry's shadow presidential campaign, launched in the aftermath of his 2004 defeat by President Bush. In a series of speeches, guest columns and television appearances, Kerry has sought to right what many Democrats regard as the defects of that race by outlining a clear exit strategy for Iraq and vowing to fight back against GOP attacks on his and other Democrats' patriotism. Kerry's aggressive attitude is also aimed at wooing liberal voters for a potential presidential bid in 2008.

Beginning last fall, Kerry has advocated setting a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Recently, he said that if an Iraqi government is not formed by May 15, the United States should immediately withdraw its forces.

"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2004election; 2sick4words; gotohllyoubstrd; hanoijohn; iraq; johnfkerry; johnkerry; jonqueriisadick; kerry; kerry2008; loser; traitor; vietnam
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1 posted on 04/22/2006 3:21:14 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

Even when you are providing aid and comfort to the enemy, huh Kerry.


2 posted on 04/22/2006 3:23:46 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers

You took the words right out of my mouth.


3 posted on 04/22/2006 3:25:24 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: demlosers
John Kerry - the most patriotic person I know...
4 posted on 04/22/2006 3:26:02 PM PDT by jscd3
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To: West Coast Conservative
Jean Francois Cheri is appealing to the moonbat crowd. They're the ones most invested in an American defeat in Iraq. So Kerry wants to ride on the backs on American soldiers to the Oval Office just like he did after Vietnam. He was almost elected President. Keep reminding yourself he nearly pulled it off despite his utter deficiencies.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

5 posted on 04/22/2006 3:26:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: demlosers

Oh, how I wish old Abe could be around for a time like this.

The NY Times and Washington Posts printing presses would have been confiscated years ago, their editors jailed and now with the leakers/traitors being uncovered, the sounds of the gallows being built could be heard all up and down the east coast.


6 posted on 04/22/2006 3:28:36 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: All

Sounds like Kerry's still on the defensive for all the harm he caused during vietnam


7 posted on 04/22/2006 3:30:44 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Wonder if Kerrys dad rooted for the NAZI's the same way he rooted for the N. Vietmanese?


8 posted on 04/22/2006 3:31:01 PM PDT by Bommer (<P>)
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To: West Coast Conservative
This guy is as F'd up as a football bat
10 posted on 04/22/2006 3:32:06 PM PDT by stm (Our country and world are at a crossroads; taking the wrong path is not an option.)
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To: demlosers

Once a scum sucking anti American dog, always a scum sucking anti American dog.


11 posted on 04/22/2006 3:32:09 PM PDT by isrul
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To: West Coast Conservative

Bull$shirt, sKerry.


12 posted on 04/22/2006 3:33:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Kerry's even a lightweight as a ketchup!

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

13 posted on 04/22/2006 3:34:21 PM PDT by mhking ("I make my livin' on the evening news...")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Some other "truths" in John's world:

1) Robbing one man's earnings and giving it to another man is "fair";
2) "Marriage" is the union of anyone to anything;
3) Discrimination against whites is "social justice";
4) Destroying a child in the womb is a "choice";
5) Receiving a band-aid in a war zone is worthy of a Purple Heart.

Feel free to make additions....


14 posted on 04/22/2006 3:34:46 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said.

Just like Gore..Kerry's timing is extremely poor...Kerry restates the above and lo and behold...the Iraqi reach another milestone by coming up with a government. Two points to make here....Our OWN country took how many years to come up with a constitution???? a president???

Second point...there is no doubt in my mind that Kerry and the rest of the Democratic party have put our country at risk because of they would rather treat Bush as an enemy (and regain power) than unite behind our war effort in Iraq. Iran would NOT be speaking as it does if it did not hear the Democrats paint Bush as a bigger enemy than Iran. By showing such disunity at home on such an important thing as foreign policy and war, the Dems are aiding our enemies. Look at the number of Democrats who write to Bush saying, "Don't attack Iran" everytime that Iranian whack-job threatens the region AND our country! Such Democratic rhetoric will embolden Iran! My only hope is that by Novemeber, the AMerican people see the 'Rats for what they are.


15 posted on 04/22/2006 3:36:46 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: West Coast Conservative
Wartime dissent that consists of demonetizing those doing the bleeding and dieing is not patriotic by any definition...except by those who hate our country. He can try to rationalize his behavior anyway he wants, but, the fact remains he is a traitor.
16 posted on 04/22/2006 3:36:51 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

17 posted on 04/22/2006 3:39:37 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: West Coast Conservative

And yet not ONE democrat has proposed a bill to end funding for Iraq. Shaddup and keep doing nothing but bitchin, you're less dangerous to our country that way.


18 posted on 04/22/2006 3:40:44 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: mhking

Just when I thought it was safe to read about politics out of Boston...


19 posted on 04/22/2006 3:42:59 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Annoy a liberal: Work hard, spend money and fly the flag.)
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To: Normal4me

The question is "Patriotic, but to whom?"


20 posted on 04/22/2006 3:43:09 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: randog

2) "Marriage" is the union of anyone to anything;

Well we now know that he practiced what he preaches on #2


21 posted on 04/22/2006 3:43:39 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Right John, will that be one of your 08 slogans? "One man's traitor, is another man's patriot" ???


22 posted on 04/22/2006 3:44:37 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties," he said. "They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin."

Our countries "ideals" that they're fighting for:
-Everything that goes wrong in the world is America's fault
-People from other countries have every right to come over in
enormous numbers, break out laws, and take whatever they
want because it's unfair that we have it and they don't
-The UN having sovereignty over our government, a world
court have authority over our citizens, and world-wide
welfare state sponsored by our taxes
-Teaching children that traditional American values are
fascist and that "multiculturalism" is better
23 posted on 04/22/2006 3:51:25 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

And Kerry has such a proven track record as a whiz at foreign policy....like when Mr "Winter Soldier" told Senator Fulbright et al that fighting communism was impossible, so why stay in Vietnam.


24 posted on 04/22/2006 3:51:58 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: t2buckeye
"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said

Forgive me Senator but the Iraqis are doing a better job of building a unity government than has the US democrat party since election 2000.
25 posted on 04/22/2006 3:54:14 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
They used to be called ...


26 posted on 04/22/2006 3:57:25 PM PDT by sono ("If Congressional brains were cargo, there'd be nothing to unload." - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Given his "reflection" at The Wall, earlier in this month and this latest absurdity, I have to wonder if Rove doesnt have a mole among Kerry's advisors..


27 posted on 04/22/2006 3:58:48 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
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To: pabianice

Hey, I was going to post that.

Kerry is ninth circle material.


28 posted on 04/22/2006 3:59:20 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
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To: Bommer
Wonder if Kerrys dad rooted for the NAZI's the same way he rooted for the N. Vietmanese?

That would be Ted Kennedy's dad.

29 posted on 04/22/2006 4:00:06 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: West Coast Conservative

Isn't this the guy that was in Vietnam? I forget.


30 posted on 04/22/2006 4:01:14 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: Bommer

I bet he did until Hitler turned on the Soviets and decided Poland should be part of Greater Germany.

Only when Stalin was betrayed did the Reds turn WW2 into the Great Patriotic War.
Just as the Reds in American who were anti War until this Backstabbing of 41.


31 posted on 04/22/2006 4:02:44 PM PDT by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: randog
Feel free to make additions....

Painting ones self orange to woo Florida voters..

32 posted on 04/22/2006 4:07:27 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Kerry was a liar and traitor then. Does he claim the same status now?


33 posted on 04/22/2006 4:08:19 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
why do Democrats think it's patriotic to hate your country and why do they keep repeating it?
34 posted on 04/22/2006 4:08:59 PM PDT by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!! not for long if this cr@p keeps up.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I'm getting sick of the dissent is patriotism/isn't patriotism dichotomy.

Dissent, because you think that current government policy is leading to the failure of the nation will lead to failure is patriotic. However, dissent because you hope your nation will fail is not.

I leave it as an exercise to the reader to decide which type of dissent they think John Kerry and other, individual anti-war activists are engaged in, because it's often not a cut-and-dried determination

35 posted on 04/22/2006 4:10:25 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
So, assume that I believe the Iraq War is a westeful expedicure of resources and lives. Am I:

1. Of a differing political opinion.
2. Misguided or misinformed.
3. Unpatriotic?

36 posted on 04/22/2006 4:16:12 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Wormwood
1. Yes.
2. Maybe.
3. Probably not, but the devil's in the details.
37 posted on 04/22/2006 4:22:46 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

These people mdon't believe in majority rule, the essence of which is that once we vote, the losers shut up and get on board. I am really worn out with this perpetual campaign. We have a Republic to spare us all of that.


38 posted on 04/22/2006 4:22:52 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
And GW should respond in the Lincoln model to it.

He rounded them up and put them in jail during the Civil War


39 posted on 04/22/2006 4:23:56 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
No doubt the protesting generals are thrilled to be lumped in with the Winter Soldiers!!

Serves them right!

40 posted on 04/22/2006 4:24:11 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The only dissent should be over strategy and tactics in the present war. How best to win this.


41 posted on 04/22/2006 4:24:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: goldstategop
Keep reminding yourself he nearly pulled it off despite his utter deficiencies.

It's always in the forefront of my mind. Hence, my tagline.

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 04/22/2006 4:26:29 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: ClaireSolt
These people don't believe in majority rule, the essence of which is that once we vote, the losers shut up and get on board. I am really worn out with this perpetual campaign. We have a Republic to spare us all of that.

I don't know.... if the majority vote to jump off the proverbial cliff, I think it's a good idea to continue to shout warnings.

That said, I don't think that's quite what Kerry et.al. are doing.

43 posted on 04/22/2006 4:27:10 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: West Coast Conservative

And Kerry's been dissenting ever since he realized it was his way to getting elected. Kind of like he started marrying rich women when he realized he could live well off their money.


44 posted on 04/22/2006 4:27:58 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: frankiep

I think he was in Cambodia, too. I recall it every time I hear "Jingle Bells". It's seared in my memory.


45 posted on 04/22/2006 4:30:34 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hmmmm....wonder if this creep is goin' get caught up in the mess that's hitting the rat crowd? This statement at this time is just a little surprising....LOL...whose arse is he covering? Got a be his own...


46 posted on 04/22/2006 4:30:45 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: stm
"This guy is as F'd up as a football bat"

Couldn't have said it any better!

47 posted on 04/22/2006 4:31:25 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: t2buckeye

He'll probalby start taking credit for the Iraqi's progress.


48 posted on 04/22/2006 4:31:44 PM PDT by stop_fascism
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To: West Coast Conservative

LOL! Keep smoking that Pipe Traitor!


49 posted on 04/22/2006 4:32:54 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: PzLdr

Dissenters? They were called Tories during the Revolutionary War and Copperheads during the Civil War. The were called Socialist during WWI, and draft-dodgers in WWII. After that, thanks to the "progressive" element in the Democrat Party dissenters has been viewed more favorably than patriots.


50 posted on 04/22/2006 4:32:56 PM PDT by gaspar
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