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Wartime Dissent Is Part Of Patriotism, Kerry Says
Washington Post ^
| April 23, 2006
| Chris Cillizza
Posted on 04/22/2006 3:21:09 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
Thirty-five years after Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry (D) appeared before a Senate committee to call for an end to the war in Vietnam, he defended that decision yesterday in a speech in his home town and linked it to his current insistence on an early drawdown of troops from Iraq.
Kerry, in remarks delivered in Boston's Faneuil Hall Marketplace, cast dissent in wartime as a patriotic act -- a response to Republican critics who insist that questioning the conduct of the war in Iraq emboldens America's enemies.
"I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties," he said. "They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin."
Yesterday's address was the latest move in Kerry's shadow presidential campaign, launched in the aftermath of his 2004 defeat by President Bush. In a series of speeches, guest columns and television appearances, Kerry has sought to right what many Democrats regard as the defects of that race by outlining a clear exit strategy for Iraq and vowing to fight back against GOP attacks on his and other Democrats' patriotism. Kerry's aggressive attitude is also aimed at wooing liberal voters for a potential presidential bid in 2008.
Beginning last fall, Kerry has advocated setting a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Recently, he said that if an Iraqi government is not formed by May 15, the United States should immediately withdraw its forces.
"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2004election; 2sick4words; gotohllyoubstrd; hanoijohn; iraq; johnfkerry; johnkerry; jonqueriisadick; kerry; kerry2008; loser; traitor; vietnam
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To: West Coast Conservative
Even when you are providing aid and comfort to the enemy, huh Kerry.
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:23:46 PM PDT
by
demlosers
To: demlosers
You took the words right out of my mouth.
3
posted on
04/22/2006 3:25:24 PM PDT
by
xcamel
(Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
To: demlosers
John Kerry - the most patriotic person I know...
4
posted on
04/22/2006 3:26:02 PM PDT
by
jscd3
To: West Coast Conservative
Jean Francois Cheri is appealing to the moonbat crowd. They're the ones most invested in an American defeat in Iraq. So Kerry wants to ride on the backs on American soldiers to the Oval Office just like he did after Vietnam. He was almost elected President. Keep reminding yourself he nearly pulled it off despite his utter deficiencies.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:26:25 PM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: demlosers
Oh, how I wish old Abe could be around for a time like this.
The NY Times and Washington Posts printing presses would have been confiscated years ago, their editors jailed and now with the leakers/traitors being uncovered, the sounds of the gallows being built could be heard all up and down the east coast.
6
posted on
04/22/2006 3:28:36 PM PDT
by
Neville72
(uist)
To: All
Sounds like Kerry's still on the defensive for all the harm he caused during vietnam
7
posted on
04/22/2006 3:30:44 PM PDT
by
MaineVoter2002
(http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
To: West Coast Conservative
Wonder if Kerrys dad rooted for the NAZI's the same way he rooted for the N. Vietmanese?
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:31:01 PM PDT
by
Bommer
(<P>)
Comment #9 Removed by Moderator
To: West Coast Conservative
This guy is as F'd up as a football bat
10
posted on
04/22/2006 3:32:06 PM PDT
by
stm
(Our country and world are at a crossroads; taking the wrong path is not an option.)
To: demlosers
Once a scum sucking anti American dog, always a scum sucking anti American dog.
11
posted on
04/22/2006 3:32:09 PM PDT
by
isrul
To: West Coast Conservative
12
posted on
04/22/2006 3:33:54 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
("Too soon to remember??? How about TOO SOON TO FORGET!" from Mr. Silverback)
To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
Kerry's even a lightweight as a ketchup!


Just damn.
If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:34:21 PM PDT
by
mhking
("I make my livin' on the evening news...")
To: West Coast Conservative
Some other "truths" in John's world:
1) Robbing one man's earnings and giving it to another man is "fair";
2) "Marriage" is the union of anyone to anything;
3) Discrimination against whites is "social justice";
4) Destroying a child in the womb is a "choice";
5) Receiving a band-aid in a war zone is worthy of a Purple Heart.
Feel free to make additions....
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:34:46 PM PDT
by
randog
(What the...?!)
To: West Coast Conservative
"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said.
Just like Gore..Kerry's timing is extremely poor...Kerry restates the above and lo and behold...the Iraqi reach another milestone by coming up with a government. Two points to make here....Our OWN country took how many years to come up with a constitution???? a president???
Second point...there is no doubt in my mind that Kerry and the rest of the Democratic party have put our country at risk because of they would rather treat Bush as an enemy (and regain power) than unite behind our war effort in Iraq. Iran would NOT be speaking as it does if it did not hear the Democrats paint Bush as a bigger enemy than Iran. By showing such disunity at home on such an important thing as foreign policy and war, the Dems are aiding our enemies. Look at the number of Democrats who write to Bush saying, "Don't attack Iran" everytime that Iranian whack-job threatens the region AND our country! Such Democratic rhetoric will embolden Iran! My only hope is that by Novemeber, the AMerican people see the 'Rats for what they are.
To: West Coast Conservative
Wartime dissent that consists of demonetizing those doing the bleeding and dieing is not patriotic by any definition...except by those who hate our country. He can try to rationalize his behavior anyway he wants, but, the fact remains he is a traitor.
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:36:51 PM PDT
by
crazyhorse691
(Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
To: West Coast Conservative
To: West Coast Conservative
And yet not ONE democrat has proposed a bill to end funding for Iraq. Shaddup and keep doing nothing but bitchin, you're less dangerous to our country that way.
To: mhking
Just when I thought it was safe to read about politics out of Boston...
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:42:59 PM PDT
by
Monkey Face
(Annoy a liberal: Work hard, spend money and fly the flag.)
To: Normal4me
The question is "Patriotic, but to whom?"
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:43:09 PM PDT
by
Wristpin
("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
To: randog
2) "Marriage" is the union of anyone to anything;
Well we now know that he practiced what he preaches on #2
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:43:39 PM PDT
by
MaineVoter2002
(http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
To: West Coast Conservative
Right John, will that be one of your 08 slogans? "One man's traitor, is another man's patriot" ???
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:44:37 PM PDT
by
HEY4QDEMS
(Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
To: West Coast Conservative
"I believed then, just as I believe now, that it is profoundly wrong to think that fighting for your country overseas and fighting for your country's ideals at home are contradictory or even separate duties," he said. "They are, in fact, two sides of the very same patriotic coin."
Our countries "ideals" that they're fighting for:
-Everything that goes wrong in the world is America's fault
-People from other countries have every right to come over in
enormous numbers, break out laws, and take whatever they
want because it's unfair that we have it and they don't
-The UN having sovereignty over our government, a world
court have authority over our citizens, and world-wide
welfare state sponsored by our taxes
-Teaching children that traditional American values are
fascist and that "multiculturalism" is better
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:51:25 PM PDT
by
Sofa King
(A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
To: West Coast Conservative
And Kerry has such a proven track record as a whiz at foreign policy....like when Mr "Winter Soldier" told Senator Fulbright et al that fighting communism was impossible, so why stay in Vietnam.
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:51:58 PM PDT
by
silverleaf
(Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
To: t2buckeye
"If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all," Kerry said
Forgive me Senator but the Iraqis are doing a better job of building a unity government than has the US democrat party since election 2000.
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:54:14 PM PDT
by
silverleaf
(Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
To: West Coast Conservative
They used to be called ...
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:57:25 PM PDT
by
sono
("If Congressional brains were cargo, there'd be nothing to unload." - Rush Limbaugh)
To: West Coast Conservative
Given his "reflection" at The Wall, earlier in this month and this latest absurdity, I have to wonder if Rove doesnt have a mole among Kerry's advisors..
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:58:48 PM PDT
by
cardinal4
(Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
To: pabianice
Hey, I was going to post that.
Kerry is ninth circle material.
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posted on
04/22/2006 3:59:20 PM PDT
by
AliVeritas
(Enforcement: A job Americans would do (a typical Foxette))
To: Bommer
Wonder if Kerrys dad rooted for the NAZI's the same way he rooted for the N. Vietmanese? That would be Ted Kennedy's dad.
To: West Coast Conservative
Isn't this the guy that was in Vietnam? I forget.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:01:14 PM PDT
by
frankiep
To: Bommer
I bet he did until Hitler turned on the Soviets and decided Poland should be part of Greater Germany.
Only when Stalin was betrayed did the Reds turn WW2 into the Great Patriotic War.
Just as the Reds in American who were anti War until this Backstabbing of 41.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:02:44 PM PDT
by
RedMonqey
(People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
To: randog
Feel free to make additions....Painting ones self orange to woo Florida voters..
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:07:27 PM PDT
by
cardinal4
(Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
To: West Coast Conservative
Kerry was a liar and traitor then. Does he claim the same status now?
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:08:19 PM PDT
by
jimfree
(Freep and ye shall find.)
To: West Coast Conservative
why do Democrats think it's patriotic to hate your country and why do they keep repeating it?
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:08:59 PM PDT
by
newnhdad
(All your government branches are belong to us!! not for long if this cr@p keeps up.)
To: West Coast Conservative
I'm getting sick of the dissent is patriotism/isn't patriotism dichotomy.
Dissent, because you think that current government policy is leading to the failure of the nation will lead to failure is patriotic. However, dissent because you hope your nation will fail is not.
I leave it as an exercise to the reader to decide which type of dissent they think John Kerry and other, individual anti-war activists are engaged in, because it's often not a cut-and-dried determination
To: Celtjew Libertarian
So, assume that I believe the Iraq War is a westeful expedicure of resources and lives. Am I:
1. Of a differing political opinion.
2. Misguided or misinformed.
3. Unpatriotic?
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:16:12 PM PDT
by
Wormwood
(Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
To: Wormwood
1. Yes.
2. Maybe.
3. Probably not, but the devil's in the details.
To: Celtjew Libertarian
These people mdon't believe in majority rule, the essence of which is that once we vote, the losers shut up and get on board. I am really worn out with this perpetual campaign. We have a Republic to spare us all of that.
To: West Coast Conservative
And GW should respond in the Lincoln model to it.

He rounded them up and put them in jail during the Civil War
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:23:56 PM PDT
by
SandRat
(Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
To: West Coast Conservative
No doubt the protesting generals are thrilled to be lumped in with the Winter Soldiers!!
Serves them right!
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:24:11 PM PDT
by
OldFriend
(I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
To: West Coast Conservative
The only dissent should be over strategy and tactics in the present war. How best to win this.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:24:23 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Off touch and out of base)
To: goldstategop
Keep reminding yourself he nearly pulled it off despite his utter deficiencies. It's always in the forefront of my mind. Hence, my tagline.
FMCDH(BITS)
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:26:29 PM PDT
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: ClaireSolt
These people don't believe in majority rule, the essence of which is that once we vote, the losers shut up and get on board. I am really worn out with this perpetual campaign. We have a Republic to spare us all of that. I don't know.... if the majority vote to jump off the proverbial cliff, I think it's a good idea to continue to shout warnings.
That said, I don't think that's quite what Kerry et.al. are doing.
To: West Coast Conservative
And Kerry's been dissenting ever since he realized it was his way to getting elected. Kind of like he started marrying rich women when he realized he could live well off their money.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:27:58 PM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: frankiep
I think he was in Cambodia, too. I recall it every time I hear "Jingle Bells". It's seared in my memory.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:30:34 PM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: West Coast Conservative
Hmmmm....wonder if this creep is goin' get caught up in the mess that's hitting the rat crowd? This statement at this time is just a little surprising....LOL...whose arse is he covering? Got a be his own...
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:30:45 PM PDT
by
shield
(A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
To: stm
"This guy is as F'd up as a football bat" Couldn't have said it any better!
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:31:25 PM PDT
by
KoRn
To: t2buckeye
He'll probalby start taking credit for the Iraqi's progress.
To: West Coast Conservative
LOL! Keep smoking that Pipe Traitor!
To: PzLdr
Dissenters? They were called Tories during the Revolutionary War and Copperheads during the Civil War. The were called Socialist during WWI, and draft-dodgers in WWII. After that, thanks to the "progressive" element in the Democrat Party dissenters has been viewed more favorably than patriots.
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posted on
04/22/2006 4:32:56 PM PDT
by
gaspar
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