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Law clears some drug store shelves
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | April 23 | Rich Cholodofsky

Posted on 04/23/2006 10:07:31 AM PDT by PghBaldy

Looking for decongestants to relieve sinus and allergy symptoms soon could become a real headache. The same legislation that gives law-enforcement officials broad powers to identify terrorists now enables the government to track the sale of certain over-the-counter medications that can be abused or used by drug rings to manufacture methamphetamines.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allergies; drugs; drugwar; meth; patriotact
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I went to buy some today, they only had small boxes. I went to the counter to get it, and the woman behind the counter asked for ID. She then said, take it out of your wallet. She scanned it. I asked what this was about, then sarcastically said why don't they just make it illegal? I don't know why it bothered me so. After searching I discovered it's one of the gems in the Patriot Act. I need to take allergy pills (with pseudoephedrine) much of the year. If I don't, I can't function. I am not a criminal. I am not a druggie. I understand the reasoning behind this, but am getting sick of the govt's need to know what I buy. They know more about me than I wish.
1 posted on 04/23/2006 10:07:36 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

"They know more about me than I wish."

They already did.


2 posted on 04/23/2006 10:09:26 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (OK.)
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To: PghBaldy

Forcing every citizen to prove they aren't a crook, isn't the type of nation I expected to live in when I was growing up.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 10:10:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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To: PghBaldy

It's becoming an epidemic. No tyranny was ever established in the name of tyranny. This has already gone too far..


4 posted on 04/23/2006 10:10:19 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: PghBaldy

Been that way here in WV for a while.


5 posted on 04/23/2006 10:11:05 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: PghBaldy
it's one of the gems in the Patriot Act.

I don't know what the patriot act has to do with it. In some states you have to show id and some you don't.

6 posted on 04/23/2006 10:12:29 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: PghBaldy
over-the-counter medications that can be abused or used by drug rings to manufacture methamphetamines

Right on! We can't have those negro jazz musicians getting hopped up and raping our white women!

/S

7 posted on 04/23/2006 10:12:29 AM PDT by atomic_dog (Suddenly it's 1935 again!)
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To: PghBaldy
pseudoephedrine

IF people do not specifically want this ingredient, at least they may now be aware that it can cause an increased heart rate. This can be dangerous for someone with unrecognized atrial fibrillation. I am not speaking about the requirement for signature, etc., just the publication that it is not a benign ingredient.

8 posted on 04/23/2006 10:13:57 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Freee-dame

Not benign, but damn effective. I can't think of a substitute with equivalent efficacy.


9 posted on 04/23/2006 10:16:29 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (OK.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The downfall of America, should it happen, won't come from the outside. It will come from within.

Terrorism pales in comparison to what we'll allow to be done to ourselves.


10 posted on 04/23/2006 10:16:42 AM PDT by kenth
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To: PghBaldy

I know this is a nuisance, I've had to buy as well but here in Missouri meth production was rampant and has been drastically decreased by this law. Often times the ones that get hooked on this stuff are teenagers, then their life is ruined, they spend years in jail (at taxpayer expense), manufacture and get other kids hooked. It is troublesome and I'm not for lots of laws but I stand behind this one.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 10:18:22 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: kenth

I agree.

Think about it. If a non citizen shows up at a hospital emergency room, they can get any healthcare needs met.

If a citizen shows up at a pharmacy looking for a decongestant, they must present their identification to be swiped into a federal database.

This is the absurdity that passes for reasoned logic in the United States these days.


12 posted on 04/23/2006 10:21:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
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To: Graybeard58

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=63227 "The Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act, part of the just renewed PATRIOT Act, will be of immense help. The new law also establishes a national standard regulating meth ingredients, confronts the human and environmental consequences of the toxic labs, and increases the penalties for drug kingpins." This is a quote from Att Gen Alberto Gonzales. He starts out talking about how he is a child of Mexican immigrants...


13 posted on 04/23/2006 10:22:13 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy
Me, too. I use a liquigel combined w/guafenisin, not daily, but whenever certain plants pollinate. I use it in combination w/my antihistamine. I had been under the impression that the meth producers couldn't use that.

The pharmacy tech I spoke with said that they may even make all pseudophed prescription only. Those of us who have been using it for years would have no real problem, she added. Also, she said that anyone using less than 1gm/month would not be hassled as much once they get their database compiled.

It is no consolation, I know, but the pharmacists didn't seem all that impressed with the entire situation, either.

However, meth is evidently a real plague, from what I have read and heard. If they do this and discover it is all really coming in from Mexico, we might stand a chance of getting it reversed.

BTW, in Australia, Immodium is prescription only. I have no idea why.
14 posted on 04/23/2006 10:24:10 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: ozarkgirl
I'd rather make parents legally responsible for the actions of their children than impose one more regulation on law abiding citizens.
15 posted on 04/23/2006 10:24:45 AM PDT by jess35
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To: 4U2OUI

They'll have to pull the Claritan-D out of my cold, dead, but OPEN nasal passages.


16 posted on 04/23/2006 10:25:14 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: ozarkgirl

There is a major problem with kids making the meth. I agree its a pain to show id but I'd rather not see kids on drugs. I had not known how bad it was until I saw a program on it. It's really heartbreaking. I totally agree with you on this law.


17 posted on 04/23/2006 10:26:24 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: PghBaldy

The War On Terrorism soldiers on.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 10:26:29 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PghBaldy

Public drunks is a problem everywhere. Why don't we do breathalyzers in bars? I also see kids riding bikes "too fast" maybe they should be clocked by the State Troopers. Fat people everywhere. Maybe we can save their lives by refusing to serve them at buffets... Where does it stop. BTW, I was annoyed with this stuff when I was a liberal too. It's the constant "need" for evermore info on us. Not the terrorists, or the drug dealers, but everyone.


19 posted on 04/23/2006 10:28:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Dude, Claritin-D is a P.O. med...


20 posted on 04/23/2006 10:28:54 AM PDT by 4U2OUI (OK.)
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To: ozarkgirl
It is troublesome and I'm not for lots of laws but I stand behind this one.

When I was a kid in the 60's, the manager would chase us out of the store when he knew we weren't buying cough syrup for a cough. Shoo! Shoo!

It worked well.

21 posted on 04/23/2006 10:29:10 AM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: PghBaldy

That law came into effect in Kentucky last year and it really has helped cut down on meth production. Problem is far from solved, but it's better. I don't have a problem with having to sign a form to get medication.


22 posted on 04/23/2006 10:30:10 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: PghBaldy

This is another ill conceived law that criminalizes people for buying over the counter medicine, rather than those who make and use meth. Many people in this country, even some of our FRiends, find these laws acceptable if they do some good. Not only do they not consider any negative consequences of this law, they do not consider the precedent it sets in regards to further criminalizing victimless actions.


23 posted on 04/23/2006 10:30:42 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: PghBaldy
Just what hospitals and doctors need.People with serious colds sitting in the waiting room coughing and hacking germs everywhere,just to get a prescription for cold medicine.Time to look up grandmas home remedy's.
24 posted on 04/23/2006 10:32:34 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: PghBaldy
I was in the drugstore picking up a prescription when a man came to the pharmacy looking for a decongestant. When he asked why aren't they over-the-counter anymore, the druggist replied that they were over-the-counter because you didn't need a prescription for them. The guy was not amused, and neither was I.
25 posted on 04/23/2006 10:32:49 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: All

I'm not saying there isn't a major problem with meth labs, or terrorists using drugs to fund their ops. I blame a lot of this nonsense on PC. Instead of looking at who is most likely to be engaged in terror, the govt throws a vast net over the country. I don't believe either party wants to become tyrants, but by their actions, they make it more likely. All of these "helpful" & "Urgently needed" laws for this or that "crisis" are disturbing. We are frogs in slowly boiling water.


26 posted on 04/23/2006 10:34:44 AM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

I have been signing for it in Illinois for a long time but was in Oklahoma a couple of weeks ago and bought it without showing id or signing anything.


27 posted on 04/23/2006 10:39:50 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: ozarkgirl
"I know this is a nuisance, I've had to buy as well but here in Missouri meth production was rampant and has been drastically decreased by this law. Often times the ones that get hooked on this stuff are teenagers, then their life is ruined, they spend years in jail (at taxpayer expense), manufacture and get other kids hooked. It is troublesome and I'm not for lots of laws but I stand behind this one."

Agreed...

28 posted on 04/23/2006 10:43:32 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Conservatives protect Americans from terrorists. Liberals protect terrorists from Americans.")
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To: PghBaldy
Public drunks is a problem everywhere.

In Texas, the police just go into bars and arrest those who appear to be to drunk to drive.

29 posted on 04/23/2006 10:48:11 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ozarkgirl

And now meth will just come up from mexico, like was already happening...

Dumb laws like this do nothing to stop the big distributors. This will just give them more power. The only thing it will hamper is the small time meth makers.


30 posted on 04/23/2006 10:52:54 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny

Hey, maybe we should seal the border? Here is Missouri the law is working.


31 posted on 04/23/2006 11:07:26 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: flashbunny

That wont be a problem for much longer. Manufacturers of Pseudoephedrine are already moving to Phenylephrine. In a few years it'll be hard for meth labs to even find Pseudoephedrine.


32 posted on 04/23/2006 11:08:18 AM PDT by Brellium
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To: PghBaldy

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33 posted on 04/23/2006 11:12:19 AM PDT by Snoopers-868th (Send-a-Brick.com. Send a brick to Washington to help build a wall on the Southern border.)
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To: Brellium

Not coming from south of the border it won't.


34 posted on 04/23/2006 11:23:40 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: Freee-dame

And, when turned into Meth we are no longer discussing dancing merry makers, but something more like crazy people with their teeth falling out.


35 posted on 04/23/2006 11:26:34 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: TheDon
Another alternative is to put the drug back under the requirement that it be prescribed.

Is that the precedent?

36 posted on 04/23/2006 11:27:55 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: flashbunny
When it comes to Meth, there are ONLY small time operators ~ most with their teeth falling out ~ another hazard with that stuff.

They also have a higher than normal death rate.

37 posted on 04/23/2006 11:29:45 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

"When it comes to Meth, there are ONLY small time operators ~ most with their teeth falling out ~ another hazard with that stuff."

Wrong, wrong wrong.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs10/10402/meth.htm

"Mexican criminal groups, who often operate high capacity superlabs, are the primary producers of methamphetamine in the Pacific and Southwest Regions; however, Caucasian independent producers also are active, typically operating low capacity laboratories capable of producing ounce quantities of methamphetamine."



http://www.coolnurse.com/meth.htm

"Historically, suppliers of methamphetamine in the United States were gangs and other independent trafficking groups. Although gangs continue to produce meth and control a share of the market, Mexico-based trafficking groups entered the illicit methamphetamine market in 1995 and now dominate the trade. With their ability to obtain wholesale (multi-ton) quantities of precursor chemicals on the international market, their access to already established smuggling and distribution networks, and their control over laboratories capable of large-scale production and distribution of methamphetamine, these criminal groups from Mexico now dominate wholesale meth trafficking in the United States.

Over the past few years, these groups revolutionized the production and distribution of methamphetamine by operating “super labs” that can produce unprecedented quantities of high-purity methamphetamine. Each such lab is capable of producing 10 pounds or more per manufacturing cycle. "


38 posted on 04/23/2006 11:40:16 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny
10 pounders eh?

What did I say about "small time operators". 'at's 'em.

39 posted on 04/23/2006 11:45:55 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: atomic_dog

For sure. Meth is ok, it won't hurt anyone. You just keep dreaming those dreams.



40 posted on 04/23/2006 11:45:58 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental illness!)
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To: PghBaldy
"they only had small boxes."

Were you trying to buy a case of sudafed?

41 posted on 04/23/2006 11:50:58 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: muawiyah

"What did I say about "small time operators""

You said this:

"When it comes to Meth, there are ONLY small time operators"

Which I showed to be not true.

Keep spinning how you're right. It doesn't make it so.


42 posted on 04/23/2006 12:06:05 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: flashbunny

In Texas you have to sign a log sheet at the pharmacy to purchase. They do keep your information such as your drivers license, however I didn't have a problem with this law until..........

I found out that the state does not have the staff to check these logs. In fact NO logs have been checked to date. GREAT????? So if some amped up meth freak kills someone and its found out he bought all of his drugs at Walgreens who do you sue? The law is ok as long as the State follows up with all that data.


43 posted on 04/23/2006 12:24:37 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: PghBaldy

seen a blurp on FNC the other day they have a brandd new proceedure for sinues, they lazer the openings out bigger,, no more stoping up


44 posted on 04/23/2006 12:33:04 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: 4U2OUI

Dude, Claritan-D keeps the nasal passages clear, DUH!

Repeat after me:
Take the pill, clear the nose
Take the pill, clear the nose
Take the pill, clear the nose
Take the pill, clear the nose


45 posted on 04/23/2006 12:47:45 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: DoughtyOne
Me neither.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

46 posted on 04/23/2006 12:51:11 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: flashbunny
You can call them massive macro-corporations with worldwide reach if you want, but anyone turning out ten pounds of product on a full cycle is SMALL-TIME.

As I said all of them are small time.

47 posted on 04/23/2006 12:57:26 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

My god you are full of it.

Proven wrong by articles, yet you keep spinning like you're the correct one.

Just give it up. You're making yourself look foolish.


48 posted on 04/23/2006 12:59:37 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: sure_fine

It would ruin my voice. :)


49 posted on 04/23/2006 1:53:11 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Doctor Stochastic

In many places, it's illegal to be drunk at home. Since most accidents happen in the home, maybe we should go door to door checking. I just think there has to be a limit. This just annoyed me. The (immigrant/illegal) clerk's attitude didn't help. The law is pharmacies are supposed to do it by Sept.


50 posted on 04/23/2006 1:58:08 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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