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Moves Signal Tighter Secrecy Within C.I.A.
NYTIMES ^ | 04/24/06 | SCOTT SHANE and MARK MAZZETTI

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:42:45 PM PDT by Pikamax

Moves Signal Tighter Secrecy Within C.I.A. By SCOTT SHANE and MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, April 23 — The crackdown on leaks at the Central Intelligence Agency that led to the dismissal of a veteran intelligence officer last week included a highly unusual polygraph examination for the agency's independent watchdog, C.I.A. Inspector General John L. Helgerson, intelligence officials with knowledge of the investigation said on Sunday.

The special polygraphs, which have been given to dozens of employees since January, are part of a broader effort by C.I.A. Director Porter J. Goss to re-emphasize a culture of secrecy.

As the inspector general, Mr. Helgerson was the supervisor of Mary O. McCarthy, who was fired on Thursday after admitting she had leaked classified information to reporters about secret C.I.A. detention centers and other subjects, agency officials said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cia; cialeaker; ciareform; cultureofcorruption; cultureoftreason; d; leaks; leakymccarthyism; marymccarthy; mccarthyism; portergoss; singmarysing
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1 posted on 04/23/2006 7:42:47 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
included a highly unusual polygraph examination for the agency's independent watchdog, C.I.A. Inspector General John L. Helgerson

Sounds like there was a "unit sweep" via polygraph of that whole office.

Or maybe Mary canary is singing, and they are reeling others in.
2 posted on 04/23/2006 7:45:28 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Also a means to clear him of any complicity in the actions of his subordinate. Wouldn't make too much of it.


3 posted on 04/23/2006 7:49:44 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: Pikamax

> Moves Signal Tighter Secrecy Within C.I.A.

Translation:

"Uh oh, our juicy sources are drying up,
and we can expect more subponeas in the
coming months. Our top Putzes will be in
the slammer for refusing to talk, rather
than on vacation in what's left of Paris."


4 posted on 04/23/2006 7:50:44 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Pikamax
Sad that tighter secrecy at the CIA is not a foregone conclusion. I would have thought taht was their job description.

But then you have vamps like Valerie Plame appearing on magazine covers in her jammies.

5 posted on 04/23/2006 7:52:23 PM PDT by Williams
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Mary is undoubtedly singing, but someone else got this going.

Here's part of the trick ~ any competent intelligence analyst would have already noticed that ALL of the IG directors, or top level people in every agency IG who were Clintonistas (appointed by Clinton, or schedule Cs) have turned out to be rotten to the core.

One of the first was Carla Corcoran who had been USPS IG. She'd earlier been in the Air Force IG's office, but wormed her way into a non-political job at USPS.

There have been others ~ one of them quite recently ~ remember the news flak caught cruising 13 year old girls (he thought). He was from Time, Inc., a temple of leftwingnut focus.

I'm sure there are others.

6 posted on 04/23/2006 7:52:58 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: peyton randolph
Also a means to clear him of any complicity in the actions of his subordinate. Wouldn't make too much of it.

LOL. It could be something simple like that. :)

Hope that's all it is. As bad as it is having somebody in the "Internal Affairs" division turning rogue, it'd be even worse if the boss was a also a bad apple.
7 posted on 04/23/2006 7:55:46 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Pikamax

Well boo hoo. Someone ask me if I really give a damn about the ex-CIA employees and their book deals.


8 posted on 04/23/2006 7:56:31 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: Pikamax
About time.
CIA turned synonymous with a free for all. An anonymous subversion of this Government by self appointed heroes.
Misunderstood heroic opposition by purposely and directly undermining the administration regardless of consequential damage to the country.
Too much idle time, too much liberalism, too much of a unified clique at the CIA.
Plame, a CIA desk jockey is another one hiding behind a facade erected by husband Wilson, the former Ambassador to Gabon, as a secret agent.
9 posted on 04/23/2006 8:00:05 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: Williams

I thought Plame was outed by The White House? Didn't Karl Rove admit to releasing her name?


10 posted on 04/23/2006 8:00:27 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: Pikamax

Tighter secrecy at the CIA in this day and age?

The NY Times must have a source.


11 posted on 04/23/2006 8:02:24 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: PubliusToo
I thought Plame was outed by The White House? Didn't Karl Rove admit to releasing her name?

Nah, you must have gotten that from the DU talking points memo.

BTW, welcome to FR.

12 posted on 04/23/2006 8:02:57 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: backhoe

ping


13 posted on 04/23/2006 8:04:45 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: Chuck54

Thanks for the welcome. But I do recall a federal investigation of White House personnel and an indictment of Libby resulting from the leak. Do I have my facts wrong?


14 posted on 04/23/2006 8:14:03 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

Libby was not indicted for leaking.


15 posted on 04/23/2006 8:21:17 PM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: PubliusToo

"But I do recall a federal investigation of White House personnel and an indictment of Libby resulting from the leak. Do I have my facts wrong?"

Nobody is being charged with any crime related to leaking. Libby is being charged for lying or bending about what he said to some reporters.

We don't know who leaked to Novak. The prosecution won't talk, won't release the info to Libby. After the leak Novak confirmed the info with two others, Rove and some CIA press handler. According to Novak on or both of them asked him not to reveal the information. But Novak did anyway.


16 posted on 04/23/2006 8:21:25 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Pikamax

Plame was outed by her hubby,(/Vanity Fair) that's the scoop" nobody wants to know about.


17 posted on 04/23/2006 8:22:05 PM PDT by Waco
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To: PubliusToo

You may need to read that memo again. Libby was "indicted" for being less than truthful to a grand jury, not for leaking a name.

No one has been indicted for "leaking" the name of a CIA clerk who was btw not a secret agent.

Stick around and you'll get a better education than you're accustomed to over at Dummies Unhinged.

Trust me.


18 posted on 04/23/2006 8:23:15 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: Shermy

I understand that Libby was indicted for perjury. But the perjury was alleged to have occurred when the federal prosecutor questioned Libby about his role in leaking Plame's name to the press. What exactly am I missing here?


19 posted on 04/23/2006 8:24:42 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: Pikamax
The "single-issue" polygraphs, which are distinct from the routine polygraphs given to agency employees at least every five years, have been conducted by the C.I.A. Security Center but with close supervision from Mr. Goss's office, according to one official. Like other current and former intelligence officials, he was granted anonymity to discuss classified events at the agency without fear of retribution.

So who is this ONE OFFICIAL that is leaking the details of this undoubtedly secret investigation???

"Granted anonymity" by who? The NY Slimes? That is supposed to make it okay for this person to leak information as to a confidential investigation? The arrogance of the liberal media is breathtaking.

Investigating leaks by intelligence officials would make a full time job for THREE FBIs.

20 posted on 04/23/2006 8:25:43 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Chuck54

See my reply to Shermy below. Are you suggesting that the federal prosecutor was not investigating the leak of Plame's identity?


21 posted on 04/23/2006 8:27:14 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo
What exactly am I missing here?

You're not missing anything here. We at FR haven't tanked up on Koolaid and still have our heads on straight.

No one over here is that much interested in your regurgitating the talking points you so obviously obtained at Dummies Unhinged.

Comprehend?

22 posted on 04/23/2006 8:28:00 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: PubliusToo

Hi Newbie.


23 posted on 04/23/2006 8:29:28 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Pikamax
part of a broader effort by C.I.A. Director Porter J. Goss to re-emphasize a culture of secrecy

Guess the Dims will use this new buzz phrase since it ties in with the "culture of secrecy" of the Bush WH. How can an agency with "Intelligence" in its name deal in anything other than secrecy, and since the NYT does not have a Security Clearance, that leaves them out in the cold. The CIA and NSA have not been doing a very good job of keeping their secrets lately, leaking like a sieve to the 4th branch of Government - the MSM. You the 4th branch of Government that looks out for the population's good, and warns us of what our eeevil Government is doing behind the vault doors.

24 posted on 04/23/2006 8:30:15 PM PDT by p23185 (Being trashed by the Stone Age Press should be worn as a badge of honor by Repubs and Conservatives)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Please to me you, digitally speaking that is.


25 posted on 04/23/2006 8:30:31 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

You are missing a BRAIN...now go back to the DU like a good little twit.


26 posted on 04/23/2006 8:30:34 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: PubliusToo

Was she even covert? I hadn't heard.... Perhaps they should ask the reporters that the Wilson's entertained in their home before the Novak story hit.


27 posted on 04/23/2006 8:31:02 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: PubliusToo

Right.


28 posted on 04/23/2006 8:31:03 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: PubliusToo

Not pleased to meet you until you know FACTS instead of Dem talking points.


29 posted on 04/23/2006 8:32:40 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Pikamax
Strange. I thought this move signalled even greater collusion between liberals and the CIA.
30 posted on 04/23/2006 8:32:43 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: Pikamax

Secrecy? In the CIA? How outrageous!


31 posted on 04/23/2006 8:32:55 PM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Huh? Am I the only one who reads the newspapers? That Plame "leak" was a big deal for quite a while. To date, the only indictment concerning the leak was the perjury charge against Libby. Why does that make me a "twit?"


32 posted on 04/23/2006 8:34:59 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

Clinton's briefings in 1992. The first briefings, on September 4, 1992, concerned the major national security issues of the moment, including turmoil in the soon-to-be-defunct Soviet Union and escalating conflict in Yugoslavia. Clinton received no further briefings until after the election, at which point a CIA team established a presence in Little Rock. Leading the briefings from that point onward was John L. Helgerson, who latter wrote Getting to Know the President: CIA Briefings of Presidential Candidates, 1952–1992, published by CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence in 1996.

On November 11, Helgerson met with Clinton, Berger, and Nancy Soderberg of the governor's staff. Two days later, he began his briefings with Clinton. As Helgerson explained to the candidate, the PDB goes to the vice-president, national security advisor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, White House chief of staff, and secretaries of State and Defense. In view of the growing importance of economic issues, Helgerson suggested that the Secretary of the Treasury also be included. Clinton agreed.

Other than this one suggestion, Helgerson indicated, he was hesitant to guide the president-elect in any way. Helgerson recalled that, in view of what he described as CIA "policy buzz saws" of the 1980s (most notably, the Iran-Contra scandal), he took great pains not to try to influence Clinton's thinking on any issues. Over the period from November 13 to January 16, 1993, Helgerson and others provided the president elect with daily briefings while Bush, now a "lame duck" president, received exactly the same material in his PDB. Beginning January 17, the briefing team moved from Little Rock to Washington, preparing to make the transition to providing Clinton with daily briefings as president.


33 posted on 04/23/2006 8:34:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: PubliusToo

"What exactly am I missing here?"

You wrote:

"I thought Plame was outed by The White House? Didn't Karl Rove admit to releasing her name?"

The White House did not leak her name to Novak. It was probably someone in the State Dept. It appears many people were talking about Wilson and how he got the trip to Niger. This interest preceded Joe's New York Times article by a few months because Joe was "leaking" to the press about his trip and about how he debunked the Niger forgeries. He also stated he was working at the behest of Cheney and since he "proved" there was no "sale" of uranium, and Cheney "must have" known this, Bush lied, etc. etc. He said all these things while he was an undisclosed advisor for Kerry's Presedential campaign.

I suspect many people were talking about Joe and how he got his trip. The Senate Intelligence Committee reported that most analysts thought his trip proved nothing either way, a minority thought the info he returned increased the likelihood of Saddam's interest in uranium.

Stating Plame's name was not a crime, apparently, because Libby was charged with no such crime.


34 posted on 04/23/2006 8:35:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Suzy Quzy

SQ do you also notice how easy these trolls are to recognize.

They just cannot conceal their glee, with talking points in hand, they just assume they sound so realistic. Not many last over a week or two.

I've been posting (1000+) at Dummies Unhinged for over a year and they still think I'm "one of them". They are so easy to fool.


35 posted on 04/23/2006 8:35:33 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: PubliusToo

The perjury charge has NOTHING to do with the leak...you are a twit...or ignorant.


36 posted on 04/23/2006 8:36:08 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

Again, you seem to misunderstand what I am saying. The investigation that resulted in the perjury charge was over the leak. Obviously, the federal prosecutor did not question Libby about his alleged perjury. What did you think the investigation was about?


37 posted on 04/23/2006 8:41:46 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: Shermy

Well, I certainly do not know who leaked her name or how. For that mattter, I do not know whether any crime was committed. All I know is that the federal prosecutor has been investigating the leak and that investigation included White House personnel, especially Libby and Rove. How does that make me a dummie or twit?


38 posted on 04/23/2006 8:44:24 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

When you get up to speed on FACTS, get back to me, otherwise don;t.


39 posted on 04/23/2006 8:47:42 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: PubliusToo
How does that make me a dummie or twit?

What makes you a dummy and a twit is your obsession with the Plame deal and trying to place blame on Rove and the White House.

Can you understand?

40 posted on 04/23/2006 8:48:57 PM PDT by Chuck54 (4/23/06 The day Juan Williams "jumped the shark" on FNS,)
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To: Pikamax
Culture of Corruption is out? Culture of secrecy is in? Guess when Dem head of Ethics in the Congress is forced to resign they had to switch gears, and they already had "The Culture of ..." embalzoned on campaign pins. They can just scratch out "Corruption" and substitute huh?

"There's been a fundamental shift in practice at the Publications Review Board," said Mark S. Zaid, the lawyer. "There's literally been a reinstitution of the 1950's attitude that what happens at C.I.A. stays at C.I.A."

Thank you God!!!

Imagine that! A clandestine agency encouraged to be secretive! What a revelation!

And now we have a bunch of disgruntled agents apparently upset now that they have learned their service does not entitle them to Book clubs on Sixty Minutes.

41 posted on 04/23/2006 8:52:16 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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To: Chuck54

I'll go over to DU when all this blows up in their faces just to tell them my new book title "When Cabals Go Kaboom".


42 posted on 04/23/2006 8:53:15 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

You sure do talk a lot. But so far you have said nothing. Exactly what "fact" am I misstating? The investigation or the perjury charge? Please tell me what Mr. Libby allegedly lied about? His favorite color? He was questioned about the Plame leak. The prosecutor contends that Libby lied under oath. I have not read the indictment so I cannot say what exactly Libby purportedly lied about. But there you have it: a perjury indictment resulting from questioning during the Plame investigation. What part of that is not factual?


43 posted on 04/23/2006 8:54:39 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

I'm going to report you...I told you NOT to post to me. Go learn some facts and THEN come back....maybe.


44 posted on 04/23/2006 8:56:14 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy
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To: Chuck54

You misunderstand me. I am not placing the blame on anybody. To date, no one has even been indicted for leaking her name. All I said was that the indictment for perjury occurred as a result of the Plame investigation. What is so awful or wrong about that?


45 posted on 04/23/2006 9:00:17 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

If you are not a troll and really wish to stay a while and learn, do yourself a favor and do a search of this forum for Plame. after you have read for a couple of days, then post whatever questions you might still have.


46 posted on 04/23/2006 9:06:28 PM PDT by fatrat
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To: PubliusToo

I have seen no documentation yet that a "leak" occurred, only an apparently secret classified referral requesting an investigation of a supposed leak and a bunch of screaming liberals claiming a leak.


47 posted on 04/23/2006 9:08:00 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Apparently, the posters to this thread do not know how to read. I did not state that any crime had occurred as a result of the leak or even that any perjury had been committed. Apparently, my simple stattement that an investigation has occurred leads some to conclude that I am a "dummie" and a "twit." Tell that to poor Mr. Libby, who had to hire an expensive lawyer to defend against perjury charges. At least he is not in denial about the allegations.


48 posted on 04/23/2006 9:13:18 PM PDT by PubliusToo
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To: PubliusToo

There has only been a claim of a leak, I say again I have seen no documentation that saying Val gal's name was a leak.

I might change my mind when I get to read that criminal referral that got this ball rolling.


49 posted on 04/23/2006 9:21:24 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Chuck54

"SQ do you also notice how easy these trolls are to recognize. "

Trolls are one thing, but on another thread , I almost reported some creep to
Homeland Security. Maybe I offended him when referred to Osama bedlinen as the great diaper head.


50 posted on 04/23/2006 9:25:02 PM PDT by TET1968
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