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Attack Stalls ex-Cole Skipper's Career
The Modesto Bee ^ | 24 April 2006 | James Rosen - Bee Washington Bureau

Posted on 04/24/2006 9:16:20 AM PDT by Diver Dave

Once on fast track to be captain, Kirk Lippold now works at a desk. Last in a two-part series. WASHINGTON -- For 5½ years, the Washington military and political establishment has not known quite what to do with Kirk Lippold.

Cmdr. Lippold was the skipper of the USS Cole when al-Qaida terrorists committed a suicide bombing in the Yemen port of Aden on Oct. 12, 2000.

The attack, from a small barge that pulled alongside the Cole, blew a 40-by-40-foot hole in the guided-missile destroyer. Seventeen sailors died and 42 were wounded.

After he led an intense three-week effort to prevent the Cole from sinking, the Navy gave Lippold a medal for having saved the $1 billion ship, prevented further loss of life and maintained the moral of his traumatized crew.

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Part Two of a two-part story, and nary a word that the USS COLE attack happened under Clinton, Berger, Cohen, Albright, Gorelick, watchful eyes.

Part One - FR thread with link to article

Families of Cole victims split on ship commander

1 posted on 04/24/2006 9:16:23 AM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: Diver Dave

Yeah, or even who was in charge on 9/11!!!


2 posted on 04/24/2006 9:21:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Diver Dave; sure_fine

The OTM (Old Tired Media) would be negligent in their seditious and treasonous jobs, if they reported the facts and truth.

The Enemy Within™ slithers on...


3 posted on 04/24/2006 9:24:40 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: Diver Dave

Grrrrr...can't these newspapers even get military stuff right???

It's CDR Lippold, not CMDR Lippold!

Gah.


4 posted on 04/24/2006 9:25:07 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Diver Dave
and maintained the moral of his traumatized crew

And I guess the moral is if a boat load of Muslims is coming toward you, shoot first.

5 posted on 04/24/2006 9:25:18 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Diver Dave

And for the record...no way he should be prosecuted or punished.


6 posted on 04/24/2006 9:27:20 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: stuartcr
After he led an intense three-week effort to prevent the Cole from sinking, the Navy gave Lippold a medal for having saved the $1 billion ship, prevented further loss of life and maintained the moral of his traumatized crew.

For cripes sake, learn how to spell! I expect even the lamestream media to at least know how to spell!

7 posted on 04/24/2006 9:27:39 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
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To: Diver Dave
No surprises to me here. The Navy benches skippers for scraping the paint on their command. At least that's the impression this landlubber has always had.
8 posted on 04/24/2006 9:27:42 AM PDT by hedgie
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
"The Enemy Within™ slithers on..."

The 4th Estate is a 5th Column
9 posted on 04/24/2006 9:30:18 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
The Enemy Within™ slithers on...

Why do you take issue with this story?

10 posted on 04/24/2006 9:34:04 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Diver Dave
I learned from one of Miniter's books, I think, that Al Qaeda first tried to attack the USS The Sullivans while refueling in Yemen, but they miscalculated their load factors and never made it to the ship. Someone really does watch over The Sullivans.
11 posted on 04/24/2006 9:34:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Maybe...it's them!


12 posted on 04/24/2006 9:35:47 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: cardinal4

maintained the moral of his traumatized crew.



but, but, but... their spell check didn't catch it! LOL


13 posted on 04/24/2006 9:41:26 AM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism)
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To: SittinYonder
That is exactly what the Cole crew should have done. Oh! wait Clinton did not allow them to have ammo in their weapons.
14 posted on 04/24/2006 9:55:45 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: mariabush

Klinton didn't allow access to armor or apache gunship support during the Rangers, SEALs and Delta missions in Somalia either.

Blackhawk Down would have been a very boring movie had the troops been properly supported with tanks and apaches.


15 posted on 04/24/2006 9:58:26 AM PDT by noobiangod
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To: Diver Dave

You learn something every day! This story says a barge, I had always thought it was a motorized inflatable boat. What an idiot I am!


16 posted on 04/24/2006 10:00:13 AM PDT by webheart
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To: rlmorel

LOL! I think so.


17 posted on 04/24/2006 10:00:13 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: cardinal4

???


18 posted on 04/24/2006 10:08:40 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Diver Dave

The fact that Cdr. Lippold personally visited family members of those killed in the USS Cole attack speaks volumes about the kind of man he is. I for one would certainly trust this man at the pointy edge of the spear.


19 posted on 04/24/2006 10:10:02 AM PDT by bigbob (2)
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To: bigbob
Whatever happened was not the fault of the CDR., but those two stupid women Maddy not so bright and I forget the name of the Yemni woman official,

Where can we go to get this good man's rank for him.

We were in Va. Beach the day that the Cole was bombed. It was horrible. All of the Hampton Roads area was shaken to the core.
20 posted on 04/24/2006 10:15:43 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Diver Dave

Gen. Zinni had the bright idea to dock the ship in Aden. Interesting eh?


21 posted on 04/24/2006 10:25:55 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ChinaThreat

Rumsfeld Critic Zinni: USS Cole Blunder My Fault
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617172/posts


22 posted on 04/24/2006 10:43:57 AM PDT by idkfa
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To: noobiangod

"Klinton didn't allow access to armor or apache gunship support during the Rangers, SEALs and Delta missions in Somalia either."

He did not provide it to the Marines either when we asked for armor specifically. That stupid decision was one of the first he had to make after taking office, but the don't ask, don't tell policy was much more important than whether we Jarheads needed armor. (see tagline)

Semper Fidelis


23 posted on 04/24/2006 10:46:38 AM PDT by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: stuartcr

I was referring to the articles misspelling, not you, sorry!


24 posted on 04/24/2006 10:46:59 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mckinney in 2008!)
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To: eyespysomething

Able Danger mention at end of story ...


25 posted on 04/24/2006 10:47:22 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: idkfa
From my research:

Vice Adm. Thomas Wilson, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, wrote to all DIA personnel this week to explain the protest resignation of a DIA analyst in October. The analyst, Kie Fallis, quit the day after the USS Cole was attacked by suicide bombers in Aden, Yemen. Mr. Fallis charged that a report he had written on the threat of a terrorist attack in Yemen was suppressed by senior DIA officials.

Mr. Fallis' resignation letter stated that he had "significant analytic differences" with DIA superiors over a terrorist threat assessment produced in June.

U.S. intelligence officials said there were warnings, but they arrived too late. The National Security Agency issued a report shortly after the Cole was bombed warning of attacks in the region —too late to be useful.

Adm. Wilson said he asked the Pentagon inspector general (IG) to investigate Mr. Fallis' charges. In an awkwardly worded statement, the three-star admiral said on Wednesday the IG "found no evidence to support the public perception that information warning of an attack on Cole was suppressed, ignored or even available in DIA." What about the private perception?

The admiral's statement drew smirks from several intelligence officials. It relied on a dodge often used by intelligence analysts to dismiss unwelcome information. Saying there is "no evidence" —like that presented to a court of law — is often used to mask the fact there is lots of intelligence to the contrary that spooks would rather not talk about in public.

Source


26 posted on 04/24/2006 10:54:25 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: SittinYonder

I take issue with what the writer *omitted* from the story: that the USS COLE attack happened under Clinton, Berger, Cohen, Albright, Gorelick's 'traitorous eyes', which stymied "Able Danger', who had intel that the attack might happen, but were blocked from warning about it. Why did the naval guards have no mags in their weapons? Who ordered that crap? A simple reading of the Able Danger Archives makes the hair on my neck stand-up. But the OTM conveniently omits the facts, in pursuit of their agenda.


27 posted on 04/24/2006 11:18:55 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: rlmorel; Grampa Dave

Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee in October 2000, a week after the Cole attack, the then-recently retired Zinni said: "I pass that buck on to nobody."

The Rumsfeld critic explained that he personally signed off on berthing the Cole in Yemen even though "their coast is a sieve for terrorists."



"The threat conditions in Aden were better than elsewhere," he insisted, citing risk assessments for Sudan and Saudi Arabia.

Gen. Zinni said that cutbacks in the size of the Navy's fleet during the Clinton years made it necessary to use regional ports for refueling, noting: "Ten years ago, we did all refueling at sea" using Navy oilers.

Still, prior to the Cole attack, there's no record that Gen. Zinni ever complained about Clinton era defense cuts.

In what may be an even more troubling development, a report indicates that the leading Rumsfeld critic may have inadvertently played a role in tipping off Osama bin Laden to an impending U.S. cruise missile attack two years before the Cole episode.

Two days after President Clinton ordered the attack on bin Laden's encampment in Khost Afghanistan, the Associated Press reported:



"Kuwait's Al-Watan newspaper, quoting unidentified sources in London today, reported that Pakistan leaked to bin Laden news about an impending U.S. strike. The sources said the leak was aimed at limiting casualties, so that bin Laden would have less justification for a counterattack.

"A Pakistani government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, was in Peshawar the day before the attack to meet with Pakistani officials.


28 posted on 04/24/2006 11:34:42 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Diver Dave
What most people do NOT know is that the theater commanding officer of the USN was dictated by then President Clinton, not to have fully armed deck watches posted on USN vessels enetering Arab Ports of Call, in order to project a friendly image.

Normally any unidentified boat approaching a US man of war anchored in port, is hailed to stop 100 meters out, and if failinig to hold distance, is fired upon.

Kirk Lippold would have had to violate this standing order to remedy the problem, and many say he should have done, in secret.

The deck watch on the USS Cole did not have ammo in its guns to do its job, and was correspondingly slack.

29 posted on 04/24/2006 11:54:57 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Candor7
What most people do NOT know is that the theater commanding officer of the USN was dictated by then President Clinton, not to have fully armed deck watches posted on USN vessels enetering Arab Ports of Call, in order to project a friendly image.

Absolutely!

As an E-5, I stood POOW armed with a .45, albeit unloaded, but I had 2 clips on my belt in the "old Navy" (not the clothing retailer). As an E-3 and E-4, I stood ASROC security watches fully armed. Didn't matter what port we were in.

30 posted on 04/24/2006 12:06:16 PM PDT by Diver Dave (Trying to reason with a lib is likened to pushing a chain)
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To: Candor7
http://www.emergency.com/2000/usscole-bomb.htm

14 Nov 2000

YEMEN:

Report Says USS Cole Told Not To Fire First; Rules of Engagement Questioned

The Washington Post was reporting on Tuesday that sailors guarding the USS Cole when terrorists bombed it last month did not have ammunition in their weapons and were instructed not to shoot unless fired upon. Crew members told the newspaper that their "rules of engagement" prevented them from firing without obtaining permission from the ship's captain or another officer.

Petty Officer John Washak told the Post said he was manning an M-60 machine gun shortly after the Cole was hit. Washak said he waved the weapon at a second small boat that was approaching, but a senior chief petty officer ordered him to turn the gun away. Washak said he protested, fearing that the ship was still under attack. Rules of engagement aboard a U.S. warship are set by its captain following Navy "rules of engagement" guidelines. Citing an on-going investigation into the incident, Pentagon officials won't publicly discuss the specific rules in effect aboard the Cole.

According to a 14 Nov article in the Stars and Stripes, Senior Navy officials have reacted with skepticism to an article in the Nov. 14 Washington Post article. "I have nothing to say about that story," chief Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon said at a Nov. 14 briefing. "There are a number of ongoing inquiries. I don't want to speculate. We should respect the [investigative] process. We all want a complete investigation."

Petty Officer Jennifer Kudrick, a sonar technician, said: "If we had shot those people, we'd have gotten in trouble for it. That's what's frustrating about it. We would have gotten in more trouble for shooting two foreigners than losing 17 American sailors." The Post reportedly interviewed about 20 members of the ship's crew.

Some said FBI investigators have told them the Cole may have been secretly boarded and surveyed by Islamic militants -- possibly including one of the suicide bombers -- as it passed through the Suez Canal a few days before the attack. The FBI also has been questioning crew members about the behavior of the Yemeni pilot who guided the Cole into port. Some described him as "agitated." Some crew members also said they thought Yemeni harbor workers acted suspiciously, and in retrospect, that they may have been aware of the impending attack.

Clark Staten, one of ERRI's senior national security analysts, said last night that the security problems associated with the U.S.S. Cole still require additional study, but that they may relate to an on-going issue concerning a need for "more rapidly changing rules-of-engagement." Staten pointed out that the Cole incident is not the only one in recent memory where U.S. forces were faced with a rapidly escalating situation which required a rapid change in their defense posture.

"Today's multidimensional terrorist threat requires a more rapid decision-making loop that that can adapt to the tactical situation as it evolves...the traditional method of establishing 'rules of engagement' may need to be modified in order to make it more dynamic and allow it to immediately change to meet emerging trends," Staten added.

31 posted on 04/24/2006 12:16:35 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Diver Dave
Just goes to prove the old military axiom: It only takes ONE "Awwwww SH**" to RUIN 1000 "attaboys!"

He messed up in just one way, he failed to secure a "deadly force" perimeter (and mean it) because his vessel was in a foreign port and armed as a US warship must be, therefore always a potential target of opportunity. So they gave him one last attaboy for saving the ship. But my guess is that somewhere down the line the senior chain of command said....Wait a minute, this wouldn't have happened IF........

How do I know this? Well, in 1983 a drunken civilian with a death wish tried to ram his vehicle through the gates of the Division Ammunition Supply Point (where we kept the real "GO TO WAR" ammo) and a pfc promptly put a bullet thru the guys skull at a range of about 35 meters and closing...fast. I was serving as the Division Staff Duty Officer that weekend. So I was almost the first Army officer on the scene, aside from the MP's. The pvt did it right, so did the chain of command in issuing the deadly force orders. Gave the kid a nice attaboy and a pass (IIRC) on his next rifle quals. LOL.

32 posted on 04/24/2006 12:41:01 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: noobiangod
Blackhawk Down would have been a very boring movie had the troops been properly supported with tanks and apaches.

Kinda like the movie CUJO if the protagonist had been the holder of a concealed weapons permit?

Scene ONE: Driver's car stalls and rabid dog jumps onto hood. Driver reaches behind hip and draws a .357 magnum revolver.

BANG....BANG....BANG!!!!

Roll credits.

33 posted on 04/24/2006 12:45:52 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: mariabush
Oh! wait Clinton did not allow them to have ammo in their weapons.

That is usually done through the military chain of command. The guards on duty at the US Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 were not allowed live ammo the day the suicide truck crashed into the building. Who's watch? Ronnie Reagan.

34 posted on 04/24/2006 12:49:01 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: rlmorel

You're half right. (Or is that half-and wrong?)

"CDR" is what the Navy uses for correspondence (From the Correspondence Manual) and Cmdr. is proper usage by journalists (military and civilian) as defined by the Associated Press (AP) Style Guide.


35 posted on 04/24/2006 12:51:12 PM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: rlmorel

I think AP stylebooks say CMDR. So it's not incorrect, as far as writing style goes.


36 posted on 04/24/2006 12:52:41 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Candor7

This is what happens when we have liberals as Commanders in Chief...

I just read an article about the debacle at Desert One in Iran, and I could not believe Carter was ordering the Delta Force guys NOT to use lethal force in the event there was resistance while rescuing the hostages.

It is beyond belief, except that...it actually happened.

I am usually pretty much on the side of the Navy when they stipulate that nearly anything bad that happens on a ship rests on the shoulders of the Captain until proven otherwise. It is a harsh outlook, but there is a lot of history behind it to justify it (in my opinion)

That said, I do not believe this Captain should have been shoved into limbo the way he was.


37 posted on 04/24/2006 12:59:57 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: rlmorel
It's CDR Lippold, not CMDR Lippold!

Actually,

The way we in the military use rank abbreviations internally differs from the way it is communicated in the civilian sector. That style is considered proper by the military, and we are instructed to use that particular style of abbreviation when writing for/to civilians (i.e. for publication, invitations, letters etc).

Since I am intimately familiar with Army rank, I will use it to demonstrate:


A lieutenant colonel is a LTC in military documents, but a Lt. Col. for civilian correspondence

Similarly, a sergeant major is a SGM internally, but for civilian correspondence it is abbreviated as Sgt. Maj.

Each service has it's own unique "civilian" abbreviations.

38 posted on 04/24/2006 1:13:14 PM PDT by Gamecock ( "I save dead people" -- God (Eph 2:5)
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To: Diver Dave
I knew Kirk Lippold when I was on the wrong end of being a plebe when he was a firstie at Annapolis. I'll just say that a lack of discipline was not exactly one of his character traits. I didn't like the guy at all, but I can't see him as someone who would be derelict of his duty. My guess is the exact same thing would have happened regardless of who was skipper.
39 posted on 04/24/2006 1:31:37 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Candor7
What most people do NOT know is that the theater commanding officer of the USN was dictated by then President Clinton, not to have fully armed deck watches posted on USN vessels enetering Arab Ports of Call, in order to project a friendly image.

I'm suprised he didn't order them to fly a "smiley face" ensign, and play "don't worry, be happy" over the loudspeakers.

40 posted on 04/24/2006 1:33:56 PM PDT by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: Diver Dave

I learned after the first part of this story, that darlin' clintonista General Zinni who's out there rounding up former Generals against Bush was the f'up in the Cole bombing and even admitted.


41 posted on 04/24/2006 2:07:15 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: hedgie
"The Navy benches skippers for scraping the paint on their command. "

Unfortunately, I believe that is true today. I remember reading, though, that Nimitz grounded his first ship he commanded on a sand bar. In todays Navy, he would have not advanced.

That's one of the negative side effects of trying to create a "zero defect" Navy. People make mistakes. So when the desire to advance is great, a great potential exists to cover up or ignore "bad marks" in your record.

This man has more then earned his right to advance. IMHO.

Sincerely
42 posted on 04/24/2006 2:43:34 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: Diver Dave

Once on fast track to be captain, Kirk Lippold now works at a desk. Last in a two-part series. WASHINGTON -- For 5½ years, the Washington military and political establishment has not known quite what to do with Kirk Lippold.

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My uncle was the skipper of the USS MADDOX in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. His next assignment was to head up NROTC at Rice University! Lippold is not the first (or last) commanding officer to be sidelined.


43 posted on 04/24/2006 2:58:55 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: george76
Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee in October 2000, a week after the Cole attack, the then-recently retired Zinni said: "I pass that buck on to nobody."

Empty rhetoric. Part of "taking responsibility" is making sure your junior officers are protected (from unjust punishment). Zinni apparently did not follow through.

44 posted on 04/24/2006 3:01:52 PM PDT by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: george76; Freee-dame

"A Pakistani government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that Gen. Anthony Zinni, commander of the U.S. Central Command, was in Peshawar the day before the attack to meet with Pakistani officials.

&&&

The learning never ends here: See #28


45 posted on 04/24/2006 3:06:36 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: ExSoldier

Yea and Ronnie did nothing to avenge our Marine's. For that I will never forgive him.


46 posted on 04/24/2006 3:09:08 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Tallguy

Zinni talks out both sides of his mouth. He knows that the old media will protect him and not report what he use to say...



In early 2000, Former Clinton CENTCOM commander, Anthony Zinni told Congress "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region," adding, "Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, [and] retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions ...

Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months."


47 posted on 04/24/2006 3:10:45 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: XJarhead
I do not subscribe to the idea that Kirk Lippold was derelict in his duty. Rather he was a victim of the peace corps mentality that was being promoted throughout the Gulf Command,not to offend the natives. The ROE for the deck watch was not to fire first without permission.Obviously this was not appropriate in view of the terrorist activity that had already ocurred at the time.

Perhaps if Kirk had the mind of Chesty Puller, he would have found a way to open up on any craft within a hundred meters failing to answer a hail. In retrospect that was what was needed, not Clintons lax posture in the region, which was as much responsible as anything for the USS Cole tragedy.

The deck watch should have been locked and loaded with full ammo racks, with permission to initiate fire, as any warship should have.

48 posted on 04/24/2006 3:20:43 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Diver Dave
From this article:

What rankles Lippold's supporters is that his punishment doesn't mesh with the government's timid response to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, or with the lack of accountability for faulty pre-war assessments of Iraq's weaponry and the absence of adequate war planning.

All roads lead to Abu Ghraib for the drive-by media.

"With all the issues related to de- tainee abuse, there has been an abject lack of accountability in the way the war on terror has been executed," said John Hutson, a former Navy judge advocate general and dean of the Franklin Pierce Law School in Concord, N.H.

"The CIA director who failed to prevent 9-11 also got us into Iraq on false pretenses," Hutson said. "(Defense Secretary Donald H.) Rumsfeld fired [A LIE] Shinseki (retired Gen. Erik Shinseki, former Army chief of staff) for being right about the troop strength we needed in Iraq. Rumsfeld said Abu Ghraib was about a few bad apples, and now we have a dozen cases where people in U.S. custody were tortured to death."

No mention of who was Secretary of Defense in October 2000!

49 posted on 04/24/2006 3:23:13 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: Candor7

I'm in the middle of Lt. General Mike DeLong's Inside CentCom book and he covers this pretty well. I don't have it in front of me, but apparently the standard ROE was to fire warning shots, but there was supposed to be a specific CentCom ROE for that area which would have allowed them to shoot to kill right away. The crew fired the warning shots per the first ROE and the enemy closed the gap before they could fire again.


50 posted on 04/24/2006 3:24:01 PM PDT by Daus
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