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Bush Says Massive Deportation Is Not Realistic(Ike did it, so can Bush!)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11:01 AM PDT, April 24, 2006 | James Gerstenzang and Michael Muskal

Posted on 04/24/2006 11:25:27 AM PDT by kellynla

President Bush in Irvine today called for a rational, temporary guest worker program and said that attempting to deport as many as 12 million undocumented workers illegally in the United States was a policy that was not going to work.

Bush capped a four-day trip to California with a visit to the Orange County Business Council, made up of 300 businesses, where he gave his most detailed comments on immigration since a bipartisan compromise in the Senate fell apart more than two weeks ago.

Congress returned to Washington today from its holiday recess with immigration policy one of the key unresolved issues on its agenda.

"We cannot lose sight of that we are talking about human beings that need to be treated with respect," Bush told the group, adding, "Massive deportation of human beings is not going to work."

As he has before, Bush tried to temper his call for tough enforcement.

"You can be a nation of law and a compassionate nation at the same time," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderlist; calvisit; deportation; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; irvine; resign
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1 posted on 04/24/2006 11:25:31 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

You can be a nation of law and a compassionate nation at the same time," he said.


No you can't.


2 posted on 04/24/2006 11:26:57 AM PDT by jlasoon
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To: SmithL; HiJinx; GarySpFc

ping


3 posted on 04/24/2006 11:28:24 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: jlasoon

Oh ya, did he mention a wall won't work either!


4 posted on 04/24/2006 11:30:01 AM PDT by mr_hammer (They have eyes, but do not see . . .)
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To: kellynla

Deportation might not work, but making them WANT to leave sure can!

Make it a felony to be here, tax money orders sent to Mexico.

They'll take themselves home, just like they got here: one at a time.


5 posted on 04/24/2006 11:30:44 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: All

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6 posted on 04/24/2006 11:31:05 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
That kind of talk only bolsters the will of the illegals and will certainly result in an increase in their numbers. Bush and the other crap weasel politicians ought to just shut up and start seeing to it that the laws are enforced. At least make more of a show against illegal immigration so they stop coming.
7 posted on 04/24/2006 11:32:32 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: kellynla

Do they treat us and our laws with respect? Help them deport themselves, George. Secure the border and make the jobs and benefits for illegals dry up. This is not rocket science; you and many other pols just don't want to do it, to the disappointment of many.


8 posted on 04/24/2006 11:32:51 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: kellynla
President Bush in Irvine today called for a rational, temporary guest worker program and said that attempting to deport as many as 12 million undocumented workers illegally in the United States was a policy that was not going to work.

At first he said the guest worker program would last 3 to 6 years then they'd have to go home. So now the real agenda comes out finally, it was amnesty all along. Maybe I'm mistaken but I can't see the House signing onto some massive legalization scheme when four years ago they wouldn't even let a much smaller 245(i) amnesty through. It still has basically the same members as then and their opinions haven't changed much.

9 posted on 04/24/2006 11:34:02 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: kellynla

"...rational, temporary guest worker program..."

We don't need that crap. Just enforce the fricking laws now on the books, Mr Bush! What don't you GOPers understand about *criminal, illegal aliens*?


10 posted on 04/24/2006 11:35:13 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: kellynla

Sometimes compassion is totally misplaced. I only wish W would have half as much compassion for the 4 million individuals in line who are waiting to immigrate here legally. These indiviudals have to wait anywhere from 8 to 23 years to get here.


11 posted on 04/24/2006 11:35:37 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
I only wish W would have half as much compassion for the 4 million individuals in line who are waiting to immigrate here legally. These indiviudals have to wait anywhere from 8 to 23 years to get here.

Very true. If anything at all is done in terms of an amnesty for the illegals, then these people who have obeyed the laws should be given an immediate opportunity to thake the citizenship test.

12 posted on 04/24/2006 11:37:43 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: kellynla

BTW, the Department of Home Security does not have the personal to handle the 4 million trying to immigrate legally, and so how in the heck are they going to handle another 12 to 20 million?


13 posted on 04/24/2006 11:37:53 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: kellynla

As I posted on the other ongoing thread, from a perception-public relations standpoint, mass deportations would be a disaster. Can you imagine the nightly reports on ABCBSNBC showing an "exodus" of sad-faced deportees? By the time the sob-sisters were through with it, we'd have a screeching clamor from the sheeple to invite them all back, with all of their relatives tagging along for the ride.

Better, as some have noted on this thread, to take away the economic incentives for illegals to live and work here.

We need a better-maintained border by all means, but axing the essentially free ride for illegal immigrants would be a solid and effective first step.


14 posted on 04/24/2006 11:37:53 AM PDT by JennysCool (Liberals don't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: kellynla

Enforce the law!


15 posted on 04/24/2006 11:38:28 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: kellynla
We cannot lose sight of that we are talking about human beings that need to be treated with respect

I always treat burglars who have broken into my house with respect.

Then, they get shot.

16 posted on 04/24/2006 11:39:22 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: GarySpFc

He should have more compassion for American citizens who have to live with the disease, crime, etc. and have to pay for the illegals hospital bills, education, welfare for anchor babies, incarceration, etc.

But no, sadly it looks like he doesn't give a crap about us.


18 posted on 04/24/2006 11:39:53 AM PDT by sheana
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To: kellynla

We already have a temporary guest worker program. It is called the H1B Visa. NO GUEST WORKER program can work if it can't be enforced. To enforce any such program you have to apply current laws strictly and you MUST SECURE THE BORDER WITH A FENCE OR WALL. Any talk of a guest worker program without total border security is just talk of another amnesty and an attempt to fool the people into accepting one.


19 posted on 04/24/2006 11:39:59 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: kellynla
...Massive Deportation Is Not Realistic...

So, offer them a choice of either entering the way they came in or being buried in a large trench.

20 posted on 04/24/2006 11:40:53 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

No, it wasn't. If you can get them signed up for the guest worker program, you will have their names and addresses,and a way to find and make them go home when their time is up.

You can't find 12 million people and ship them home. You can make it illegal to employ them, but you won't be able to arrest, prosecute, and convict the employers of 12 million people over a 6-year period. You can make it a felony to be here, but you can't jail 12 million people, or provide 12 million public defenders, in a few-year period.

The guest worker program is a way to get most of these people to come out of the shadows, so we can get rid of them later (or so we can evaluate them to determine which ones we want or need to stay).

A guest worker program properly implemented is certainly NOT what a lot of people here want, but it is the key to stopping the amnesty people. The more we fight the guest worker program, instead of embracing it and making sure it's temporary, the more likely we are to lose the fight over an amnesty bill.

I don't believe it is imperative to rid the country of the 12 million illegals in the next two years. They are here now, we can take a little time to purge the system.

We DO need to seal the borders NOW, and make harsher punishment for employers NOW, and turn the IRS and Social Security administrations on to provide the information they aren't sharing NOW, and to make a major thrust to catch and deport illegals NOW.

If we do that, we can use the guest worker program as the carrot which will flush millions of illegals out to where they can be tracked -- and take the sails out of the amnesty ship.


21 posted on 04/24/2006 11:40:57 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kellynla
Of course you don't do it all at one time.

Strawman. I'm beginning to expect this out of the president.

You set up excutive policies and do it in about 5 years, or less.

22 posted on 04/24/2006 11:41:34 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: kellynla

A wall first, then we'll talk policy.


23 posted on 04/24/2006 11:41:42 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: kellynla

Eisenhower was much more conservative than the Bushies.


24 posted on 04/24/2006 11:41:42 AM PDT by TBP
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To: kellynla

Meh. Cut off the money and they deport themselves.


25 posted on 04/24/2006 11:42:19 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: kellynla

Not if they break the law. Lets see here. Somebody poorer than myself breaks into my home, eats my food, and starts sleeping on my kitchen floor. Then he demands that I buy his food, clothes and gas for his car. He also informs me that his wife and 3 kids are sleeping in my attic. Respect? Yeah.


26 posted on 04/24/2006 11:42:56 AM PDT by Shaun_MD (In God We Trust. In might we remain free.)
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To: kellynla
That's OK, Mr. President.

Massive re-election of Republicans in November is not realistic, either.

28 posted on 04/24/2006 11:44:02 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
Just enforce the fricking laws now on the books, Mr Bush!

The current laws on the books contain enforcement mechanisms that are inadequate to do what you want. You want better enforcement, you have to change the law.

29 posted on 04/24/2006 11:44:31 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: jlasoon

You people who refuse to see any realistic solution to this immigration situation are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Bloviate all you want -- your opinions are useless.


30 posted on 04/24/2006 11:44:49 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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How depressing.

An American President tells his country and the world that it's "unrealistic" and not "compassionate" to secure our borders.

Strange times we're livin' in.


31 posted on 04/24/2006 11:45:06 AM PDT by negril
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To: kellynla
If we all stop paying income taxes would it be unrealistic to put us all in jail?

Call it Tax Amnesty.

32 posted on 04/24/2006 11:45:23 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: DoctorMichael

Treat Mexican illegal immigrants the same as Mexico treats those who illegally cross it's southern border. If you don't know how Mexico treats them, then you haven't done your homework. HINT: you can get arrested and maybe shot if you try to illegally enter Mexico.


33 posted on 04/24/2006 11:45:23 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: Redbob
Deportation might not work, but making them WANT to leave sure can! Make it a felony to be here, tax money orders sent to Mexico. They'll take themselves home, just like they got here: one at a time.

Bingo -- stop making it so easy, profitable, cushy, and "safe" to be an illegal here, and most will migrate back to where they came from. It'll also choke off most of the flow coming *in*. No need for "massive deportation" at all.

34 posted on 04/24/2006 11:46:45 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: kellynla

Nothing works if you don't even attempt it.
susie


35 posted on 04/24/2006 11:46:47 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: DTogo
Massive re-election of Republicans in November is not realistic, either.

That's fine. The conservative movement in this country is pretty much dead anyway.

36 posted on 04/24/2006 11:46:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: TonyRo76

"Can you give a little background on when/how this happened?"

google "operation wetback" for starters

or start here
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/OO/pqo1.html


37 posted on 04/24/2006 11:47:58 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: jlasoon

So does that mean we don't have to obey the law anymore? It wouldn't be compassionate to arrest me simply because I choose to stop paying taxes or go to Canada to by cheap medicine.


38 posted on 04/24/2006 11:48:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: jlasoon

Bush is trying to shove us into the One World Order with ease, and just drop our borders. I see what he is doing here. We have a world bank, a world court, so we are on our way to dropping our borders and our soverignty. The UN needs a standing army and powers of taxation.

Treaties supercede our laws.


39 posted on 04/24/2006 11:48:16 AM PDT by tessalu (t)
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To: jlasoon

Sure you can, but letting illegal aliens insist on what laws we are going to enforce is not compassionate. I think Bush has the same idea of compassion as alot of parents do. No discipline, don't dare say no, let the child (or in his case the illegal alien) run things so that they stay happy....I guess he wants to be their friend, instead of the President.
susie


40 posted on 04/24/2006 11:48:57 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
That's fine. The conservative movement in this country is pretty much dead anyway.

Bush and his fellow RINOs in D.C. certainly seem like eager grave diggers...

41 posted on 04/24/2006 11:48:57 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

The conservative movement is not so much dead, but looking for an electable leader to inject a loud voice into policy debates.

George Allen anyone?


42 posted on 04/24/2006 11:49:27 AM PDT by negril
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To: XJarhead
The current laws on the books contain enforcement mechanisms that are inadequate to do what you want. You want better enforcement, you have to change the law.

Here are some of the most common felonies committed by illegal aliens.

8 usc 1325 entering the US unlawfully (misdemeanor first time, felony second time)
8 usc 1326 entering the US after being deported
18 usc 1546 using false documents to obtain work authorization
18 usc 1028 using false identification document
42 usc 408 misuse of a social security number
18 usc 1344 setting up a bank account with false information
43 posted on 04/24/2006 11:49:40 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: kellynla

Make as many as possible want to deport themselves by cutting off tehir subsidies and benefits. As someone said, tax money going to Mexico (heavily.) Crack down on the employers of illegals (I'm not just talking heavy fines, but also jail time.)

Build the wall and the smart fence and build up the Border Patrol. (Congress authorized 2,000 new Broder Patrol agents per year for 5 years, but the Bush Administration refuses to fund more than about 200, barely enough to cover losses from attrition. Demand full funding of the Border Patrol.)

Deport the rest on school buses (employing the bus drivers for part of the summer out-of-school season) and hold them pending deportation at closed-up military bases.


44 posted on 04/24/2006 11:50:08 AM PDT by TBP
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You are exactly right.

Include in the "guest worker provision" an electronic I.D. card that permits/requires employers and INS agents to verify immediately -- like a credit card check -- that the card is valid and the person here legally. Include fingerprint registration to resolve issues of lost/stolen I.D.'s, etc.

Require deportation for any "guest worker" who doesn't actually work for more than 4 consecutive weeks or more than 10 weeks out of the year. Limit by statute eligibilty for public assistance. And, best of all, requiring this form of electronic registration with the feds and linking it to tax payments made for the guest worker I.D. will go a long way to eliminating the underground cash economy for illegals, and increase tax receipts.

45 posted on 04/24/2006 11:50:13 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

He always said he opposed a path to citizenship for illegals in country. Now he apparently comes out in favor of a path for most of them if not all. I used to think no matter if I agreed or disagreed with Bush he always said exactly what he meant. On immigration, it appears, he cannot be trusted to tell the truth.


46 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:09 AM PDT by mthom
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If we do that, we can use the guest worker program as the carrot which will flush millions of illegals out to where they can be tracked -- and take the sails out of the amnesty ship.

The one problem with what you're saying is we already have a guest worker program in H1-b by which to judge any new ones. They too can be tracked and deported with violations but as expected they're not. It's estimated there's over a million visa overstayers and it's unlikely they're going anywhere.

Now they want to expand it to include at least 12 million more? I really think there should be no debate in Congress about what to do with illegals here until we get the borders under control. Until that happens it's all just going to get worse and worse.

47 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:22 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: jlasoon
There is nothing compassionate about retaining all these illegal aliens - all of whom are criminals. If fact, it is mean-spirited and harmful to our nation.
48 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:45 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"You can make it illegal to employ them, but you won't be able to arrest, prosecute, and convict the employers of 12 million people over a 6-year period."

You won't have to. You make the first offense fine $10,000.00 You make the second offense fine $100,000.00 You make the third offense fine $1,000,000.00 and forfeiture of all business assets. Believe me....Employers from the mom and pop businesses to S corps to giant corps will fall in line within 6 months. Illegals will self deport shortly there after.
49 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:56 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I'm not fighting a guestworker program. However if it includes people who are illegally in the country then it is just another word for amnesty.
Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling.
susie


50 posted on 04/24/2006 11:52:56 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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