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Where Have All the Conservatives Gone?
The American Conservative ^ | April 24, 2006 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 04/24/2006 12:42:34 PM PDT by ex-snook

April 24, 2006 Issue
Copyright © 2006 The American Conservative

 

Where Have All the Conservatives Gone?
 

The Republican Party’s top contenders for 2008 aren’t paleoconservatives—or any other kind.
 

By W. James Antle III
 

Come 2008, who will succeed George W. Bush at the helm of a troubled Republican Party? Though the next presidential race is far off, the question is already on conservatives’ minds.

The last few months haven’t been kind to Republican operatives who assumed President Bush’s slide in popularity would be temporary. Instead, his approval ratings have settled below 40 percent, averaging 38 percent over the last four Gallup polls, and the president appears determined to drag the rest of his party down with him. Bush remains committed to an increasingly unpopular stay-the-course position on Iraq and is actively pushing amnesty for illegal immigrants in defiance of the GOP base.

So far the grassroots have been generally reluctant to defy Bush in return. But public discontent with the White House’s immigration and foreign-policy initiatives could create as many opportunities for traditional conservatives as Democrats, something Bush Republicans are beginning to sense. The president has begun sprinkling his speeches with denunciations of “isolationism.” Fred Barnes declared, in the pages of The Weekly Standard no less, “It’s a paleo moment in America.”

If so, it’s a moment the leading contenders for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination seem content to let pass. The field is dominated by candidates who support the Bush line on immigration and Iraq or are inclined to go even further. In a March Fox News/ Opinion Dynamics poll, the top three Republican hopefuls were former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani at 29 percent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) at 22 percent, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich drawing 8 percent. Not a paleoconservative among them.

The sole Iraq skeptic, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.), is at the bottom of the pack with just 1 percent. The Fox poll is no outlier. Giuliani and McCain lead in most surveys—in November, Rasmussen Reports had Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice joining them in the top tier—while mavericks like Hagel languish in the low single digits.

Rice isn’t sounding like someone who plans to be a candidate in 2008, and Gingrich is running on the fumes of 1994 nostalgia. Giuliani and McCain are the beneficiaries of near-universal name recognition and fawning press coverage. But few of the dark horses offer paleos—or the growing majority of Americans who disapprove of Bush’s handling of Iraq and immigration—much reason for optimism. Unless something changes dramatically over the next year and a half, rather than taking the opportunity to repudiate the current president’s mistakes, Republicans are poised to nominate someone who favors repeating them.

If something does change, it will likely be due to one of two potential candidates. While foreign-policy realists dream of Hagel breaking out of his asterisk status, many immigration realists pin their hopes on Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.). Tancredo has graduated from House backbencher to the leader of an effective congressional immigration-reform faction. In December, he and his allies fashioned a tough enforcement-only border-security bill that passed the House. Tancredo has been touring the country as the Senate prepares to undo his handiwork.

Tancredo is realistic about his presidential chances. He tells reporters that he would prefer to see a first-tier candidate take up the immigration issue—“someone taller and with better hair”—but is considering a run if no one obliges. “Soon we may see some of the princes in waiting jockeying to become the Tancredo of the Senate,” predicts Will Adams, the congressman’s spokesman.

A Senate version of Tancredo would be a welcome addition to the field, given how inhospitable many leading Republicans have been to the real one. He was excluded from the Southern Republican Leadership Conference (SRLC), with organizers citing schedule and ballot space constraints and Tancredo’s office calling it “a clear snub from the leadership.” “Congressman Tancredo may have been kept off the stage,” says Adams. “But the immigration issue wasn’t off the stage.”

Hagel has also gotten a poor reception from Republican regulars. He garnered just 0.2 percent of the vote at the SRLC straw poll and is unpopular with conservative activists. Despite a solid lifetime American Conservative Union rating of 85 percent, he has been tagged with the GOP Right’s favorite epithet—RINO, or Republican in name only.

“If the choice were Hillary v. Hagel, I would be tempted to vote for Hillary, even apart from my ideologue’s desire to punish a bad Republican,” wrote National Review senior editor Richard Brookhiser on the magazine’s website. “This is a bogus choice, since Michael Jackson has as much chance of being the GOP nominee as Hagel.”

Conservative distaste for Hagel appears to have two causes. The first is that the Nebraska senator established himself as a reliable Bush critic before he developed a reputation as a Beltway conservative in his own right. James Dobson has accused Hagel of being coy about a constitutional amendment forbidding same-sex marriage. Supply-siders fault him for telling the Washington Post Style section that in a presidential debate he “couldn’t take that pledge” not to raise taxes. Without strong conservative credentials of his own, observers see his differences with Bush as a liability among Republican primary voters.

Hagel’s second problem is that he is perceived as being too close to McCain. While the two senators are far apart on foreign policy—Hagel is known for prudent internationalism while McCain outdoes Bush in go-it-alone interventionism—the Nebraskan was one of the few senators to endorse McCain in 2000. Lumped together with his Vietnam service and disputes with Bush, the McCain clone label has stuck. George Neumayr, in a cover story for The American Spectator, mocked him as “Chuck McHagel,” others prefer to taunt him as “the poor man’s McCain.”

Republican consultant Patrick Hynes, an expert on evangelical voting patterns, sees several reasons the 2008 field will probably remain a paleo-free zone. “Paleoconservatives are not organized politically and there are no political consequences for defying them,” he says. “They are absolutely right that their views on foreign policy have a long conservative pedigree, but most voters don’t really care who is the purest in their political tradition.”

It is true that adherents of the older strains of conservatism amount to more of an intellectual movement than an electoral one. David Brooks memorably wrote that Pat Buchanan’s 1996 presidential bid—perhaps the most successful paleo political venture to date—was “as close to an intellectual’s campaign as we have seen in modern politics.” There is no real paleo presence among the party’s state chairmen and Rolodex-wielding fundraisers. But an ambitious conservative needn’t channel Russell Kirk to realize there is an incentive to move away from unpopular positions on salient issues. According to a Hotline poll, Iraq is the top reason Republicans disapprove of the president.

But the Rolodex men aren’t just weeding out dissenters on the war and immigration policy. This field is strikingly weak even on basic conservative staple issues. For the past 25 years, it would have been difficult for a candidate who was outspokenly pro-choice or in favor of gay rights to mount a serious bid for the Republican nomination; Giuliani is both. McCain’s record on social issues is more consistent with GOP norms, but he is distrusted by the Christian Right and despised by economic conservatives. His unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign was widely seen as an attempt to relieve both factions of their control over the party.

This will provide some interesting insights into conservative priorities—whether they prefer war and guest workers or traditional values and small government. Some of the Right’s opinion-makers have already reconciled themselves to the front-runners’ moderation. In 2004, David Frum penned an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, the title of which pronounced Giuliani “pro-choice, but still the best choice.” The Weekly Standard promoted McCain when he took a more adversarial line against the GOP establishment; his saber-rattling on Iran and talk of committing still more troops to Iraq may make him William Kristol’s favorite a second time around.

Conservative outlets that are more interested in domestic policy have already started casting about for alternatives. The two favorites have been Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) and Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. The smooth-talking, telegenic Romney has appeared on the covers of National Review, The Weekly Standard, and The American Spectator (the last with the headline “Romney Rocks!”). The football-throwing, NASCAR-loving Allen has graced the covers of NR and Newsmax.

Both men are odd choices for conservative adulation. Until he began seriously entertaining presidential ambitions, Romney was a Northeastern moderate Republican. As recently as his 2002 campaign for governor, he pledged to “protect the right of a woman to choose under the law of the country and the laws of the commonwealth.” “He has had as many positions on abortion as John Kerry has on Iraq,” says Hynes.

Allen is a more conventional red-state Republican, but despite his 100 percent rating from the National Right to Life Committee, as governor of Virginia he was pro-choice in the first trimester and opposed to overturning Roe v. Wade. Factor in Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who is also tepid on social issues, and all the stronger cultural conservatives linger at the back of the pack alongside war critics and immigration reformers.

Hynes warns, “Republicans may be in real trouble with values voters.” Traditional conservatives are also in real trouble if, after eight years of Bush, the best the GOP can do is even worse.     
 

April 24, 2006 Issue


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: allen2008; georgeallen; hagel; hagel2008; paleoconservative; president; republican; rino; romney2008; romneysucksrocks
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"Fred Barnes declared, in the pages of The Weekly Standard no less, “It’s a paleo moment in America.”"

"The Weekly Standard promoted McCain when he took a more adversarial line against the GOP establishment; his saber-rattling on Iran and talk of committing still more troops to Iraq may make him William Kristol’s favorite a second time around.

Looks like the Weekly Standard is pushing McCain to carry the 'paleo momement in America'.

Hey Barnes, no sale.

1 posted on 04/24/2006 12:42:37 PM PDT by ex-snook
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To: ex-snook

I think Barnes is on multiple payrolls.."If you know what Im sayin??"...He's lost touch recently with the immigration, port debates and has been uncharacteristically confused trying to figure out what true conservatives want.


2 posted on 04/24/2006 12:45:42 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: ex-snook
Hynes warns, “Republicans may be in real trouble with values voters.” Traditional conservatives are also in real trouble if, after eight years of Bush, the best the GOP can do is even worse.

My thought exactly. If they nominate a pro-choice Republican, I will just pass on the presidential race.

3 posted on 04/24/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: ex-snook

4 posted on 04/24/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: ex-snook

The conservative movement is pretty much dead, having splintered into a number of single non-cohesive constituent issues, and is largely dissolving back into the cranky, negative, pessimistic form it took in the 1940s and '50s. Perhaps in another 20 years it will be reborn behind a new, positive leader.


5 posted on 04/24/2006 12:51:22 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Liberty Valance

"Where Have All the Conservatives Gone?"

There sure aren't any in WASHINGTON.

Where in the world are Conservatives?


6 posted on 04/24/2006 12:51:30 PM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: stopem

George Allen would be fine with me. I respect those who feel otherwise, but abortion just isn't a strong motivating factor in my voting.


7 posted on 04/24/2006 12:57:16 PM PDT by Altair333 (Please no more 'Bush's fault' posts- the joke is incredibly old)
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To: ex-snook

"Factor in Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who is also tepid..............."

Tepid, spineless, and not up for the game.


8 posted on 04/24/2006 12:58:32 PM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: ex-snook

Bring in another 20 million illegals and grant them the franchise before 2008.

Then hope.


9 posted on 04/24/2006 1:00:26 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: ex-snook
Hagels a donkey with fake tusks fake ears and hee haws thru his fake trunk..
And smiles like Jimmah Carter..
10 posted on 04/24/2006 1:02:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: ex-snook

Enforcing immigration laws and securing our borders is NOT a paleo-Conservative issue per se. But it's nice of the RINOs to try and pigeon-hole it that way.


11 posted on 04/24/2006 1:02:43 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: ex-snook

They all leave me pretty unhappy. I doubt I would vote for Guilliani. I'd rather let Hillary implement "the NY Agenda". McCain is just weird. I like his pork-bashing, which he'd done for years. But being so clueless as to push McCain-Feingold is not a big positive. Still I might rather have him than Hillary.

Getting out of the MSM-chosen candidates, Allen strikes me as a stuffed suit.

Romney is a classic Rockefeller Republican. He just put in socialized health care in Mass. Again, why not let Hillary do it?

Tancredo at least gets it on one issue, a really important issue, and isn't a follower. He was opposed to illegals before it was cool. He also seems like a real conservative, as far as his other issues.

At this point he's the only one who appeals, but realistically Representatives never are elected.

I would not vote for Condi. What has she done besides appear on Sunday talk shows? Do we have more international support for the WOT since she became SoS? No. As National Security Advisor she paved the road to Iraq, which is not a winning campaign theme.

Who is the other Congressman, Pence? I've heard good things about him on FR. But again, Reps. have a dismal record running against Governors. Of course Hillary isn't a Gov, but a former co-President.


12 posted on 04/24/2006 1:03:01 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black; All
" Tancredo at least gets it on one issue, a really important issue, and isn't a follower. He was opposed to illegals before it was cool. He also seems like a real conservative, as far as his other issues."

Kind of appears, doesn't it, that conservative issues will be buried in future campaigns.

ALL.
Thanks for comments. It does look rather bleak for conservative candidates, never mind Paleos. Looks like the 2008 GOP campaign will feature 'we are all big Government Democrats now'.

13 posted on 04/24/2006 1:17:09 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook
A Senate version of Tancredo would be a welcome addition to the field ...

BZZ! Wrong! A Senate version of anything is always a bad idea.

15 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:09 PM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want AMNESTY, muchacho!")
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To: manwiththehands
"BZZ! Wrong! A Senate version of anything is always a bad idea."

Agree. Executive experience has the best track record for President. The GOP lineup of conservative governors is rather bleak. Another 'Eisenhower' would be welcome.

16 posted on 04/24/2006 1:56:50 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Mudboy Slim; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; ...
Allen is a more conventional red-state Republican, but despite his 100 percent rating from the National Right to Life Committee, as governor of Virginia he was pro-choice in the first trimester and opposed to overturning Roe v. Wade.

ohfertheluvva...

As Governor he also issued an Executive Order preventing state funds paying for employee abortions and, most importantly championed Virginia's Parental Notification law.

17 posted on 04/24/2006 2:00:18 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: DTogo

"Enforcing immigration laws and securing our borders is NOT a paleo-Conservative issue per se...."

I'm curious if you consider yourself to be a paleo-conservative. "paleo-Conservative" is a pretty new term in my lexicon. I just recently read about it in "American conservatism; an encyclopedia". I felt like I almost fit into that category, but maybe not quite. What is your take on immigration issues? Do you consider those views to be part and parcel with being a paleo-conservative? or does paleo-conservatism not address immigration? If you feel like going even further, what can you tell me about your take on "Iraq"? I found some of the assertions in the article about what various conservatives think or should think on Iraq to be pretty far off base.


18 posted on 04/24/2006 2:02:28 PM PDT by fromscratchmom
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To: stopem

I'm here and I'm stay'n!


19 posted on 04/24/2006 2:09:28 PM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Altair333
but abortion just isn't a strong motivating factor in my voting.

Apparently neither is opposition to gay marriage, or opposition to amnesty for illegals.
20 posted on 04/24/2006 2:09:47 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: Jack Black
At this point he's the only one who appeals, but realistically Representatives never are elected.

Jack, Realistically speaking, we cast the votes. If we decide that we want a Representative to be the next president, exactly what can the RNC do about it?
21 posted on 04/24/2006 2:11:17 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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To: fromscratchmom

The open borders "Wall Street Journal Republicans" just want to pigeon-hole pro-enforcement (as in law enforcement against ILLEGAL aliens) Conservatives into that stereotype.


22 posted on 04/24/2006 2:19:06 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Old_Mil

True. But quixotic campaigns by people without elected executive experience have just not been successful. The last President who had not been either a Gov. or VP was John F. Kennedy in 1960. And he was a well known war hero and the George Clooney of his day. And he was a Senator. I really can't think of a lowly Rep who has made it.

Doesn't mean it can't happen, but it probably won't. Candidates like Forbes, Buchanan, Perot get some publicity and a some votes, but don't seem able to build the structure needed to win (even the nomination).

Realistically if Tancredo wants to be President his best bet would be running for and winning the Gov. of Colorado.


23 posted on 04/24/2006 2:37:00 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Old_Mil
If we decide that we want a Representative to be the next president, exactly what can the RNC do about it?

First, by the time the vast majority of us get to vote in a presidential primary, the field has already been eliminated in such places as New Hampshire and Iowa. By simply cutting off the cash to the few who remain who don't toe the RNC line, the choice is thin gruel by the time Super Tuesday rolls around. In 2000, the choice for CA was down to Bush or McCain, IIRC. Buchanan had split; Bauer, Alexander, Forbes, Libby Dole, Kasich, Hatch, Keyes and Quayle were already gone.

24 posted on 04/24/2006 2:38:21 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: ex-snook
The bottom line is, even though some of us disagree on some issues, we can't possibly sit home in November and risk our National security in the hands of idiots.

God help us if we do that.

25 posted on 04/24/2006 2:41:09 PM PDT by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: ex-snook
as I have said before, this country is turning dangerously more liberal.

the US and the world for that matter, is just not as conservative as it used to be.

get ready folks, you ain't seen nothing yet...

26 posted on 04/24/2006 2:43:28 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: LexBaird
"In 2000, the choice for CA was down to Bush or McCain, IIRC. Buchanan had split; Bauer, Alexander, Forbes, Libby Dole, Kasich, Hatch, Keyes and Quayle were already gone.

True but also consider that it was decided much earlier by the number of dollars donated by the power brokers. In primaries, the candidate who has the most dollars wins. You only get to select from what's on the menu. Hard to reason that Bush won the nomination on his ideas or Gore for that matter.

27 posted on 04/24/2006 2:50:53 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook
Hard to reason that Bush won the nomination on his ideas or Gore for that matter.

Perzactly. In the pre-9/11 world, I voted more against Gore, than for Bush. The only reason I saw in favor of Bush was his stance on federal judges and constitutionalism.

28 posted on 04/24/2006 2:57:16 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: lawnguy
"The bottom line is, even though some of us disagree on some issues, we can't possibly sit home in November and risk our National security in the hands of idiots."

Maybe the bottom 'line' is the line at the airports which measures Bush's success in the WOT.

29 posted on 04/24/2006 2:57:46 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook

The problem is the same as it has always been.Back before 94 my liberal buddy used to say, well you just have to elect your guys. But we do elect our guys and then they are not our guys any more. They go to Washington and turn 180, becoming big spenders and anti security and when reelection time comes we compare them to the alternative and elect them again and they run still further away from us.


30 posted on 04/24/2006 2:59:16 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: ex-snook

I'll make it easy.

I don't care what a politician calls himself, paleo, neo, or neopaleo. I want someone who has a strategy to deal with muslim terrorism in particuilar, and muslim expansionism in general.

I want someone who is a constitutionalist.

I want someone who won't be embarrassed to secure the borders.

I want someone who is principled, isn't embarrassed by his principles, and who can articulate them to a new generation.

If you can do that, I'm willing to listen.


31 posted on 04/24/2006 3:12:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: ex-snook
"Another 'Eisenhower' would be welcome."

Agreed. It's about time for a general. And a general who's not afraid of fighting the war of words and ideas in Washington, too.

32 posted on 04/24/2006 3:50:33 PM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want AMNESTY, muchacho!")
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To: Corin Stormhands

you should know by now ... you have to be 200% pro-life or you're just not quite good enough for some. "more Catholic than the Pope" they used to say ;)


33 posted on 04/24/2006 4:58:08 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: ex-snook
It's 1852 all over again.

One party will disappear, the other will be re-invented.

A new one will be born.

Hopefully, the rest of the story won't follow the script - but I'm pessimistic.

34 posted on 04/24/2006 5:00:54 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jack Black
The last President who had not been either a Gov. or VP was John F. Kennedy in 1960. And he was a well known war hero and the George Clooney of his day. And he was a Senator

And he really lost.

35 posted on 04/24/2006 5:02:43 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Altair333
George Allen would be fine with me. I respect those who feel otherwise, but abortion just isn't a strong motivating factor in my voting.

First, please don't use "feel" in place of "think." We already have enough sissy liberals "feeling" everything.

Second, how could abortion not be a priority? Abortion is the murder of another american; and worse, the murder of a baby!

36 posted on 04/24/2006 6:20:10 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: Corin Stormhands


BTTT.
Keeping 'em honest is a full time job.


37 posted on 04/24/2006 6:25:03 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: LexBaird
First, by the time the vast majority of us get to vote in a presidential primary, the field has already been eliminated in such places as New Hampshire and Iowa. By simply cutting off the cash to the few who remain who don't toe the RNC line, the choice is thin gruel by the time Super Tuesday rolls around

Finally someone understands how GW came to power. He was anointed as will be his successor.

38 posted on 04/24/2006 6:28:20 PM PDT by itsahoot ("God has given to each a measure of Faith") See we don't even get to pick how much of that we have.)
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To: Jack Black

I never knew Hagel was conservative.


39 posted on 04/24/2006 7:11:51 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Jim Noble
" The last President who had not been either a Gov. or VP was John F. Kennedy in 1960. And he was a well known war hero and the George Clooney of his day. And he was a Senator

"And he really lost"
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Lost ????? Kennedy beat Nixon.

40 posted on 04/24/2006 7:21:01 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook
Lost ????? Kennedy beat Nixon.

With 100 000 manufactured votes in Chicago.

41 posted on 04/24/2006 7:23:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: ex-snook
Lost ????? Kennedy beat Nixon.

Due to massive RAT sponsored vote fraud. Nixon graciously declined to challenge the vote.

42 posted on 04/24/2006 7:24:56 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD: Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: Jack Black
I doubt I would vote for Guilliani. I'd rather let Hillary implement "the NY Agenda"

Specifically why?

43 posted on 04/24/2006 7:25:44 PM PDT by HitmanLV (Don't stomp so hard! Your dentures will fall out!!)
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To: ex-snook

A paleo hasnt won a election in the USA since 1924.


44 posted on 04/24/2006 7:28:09 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: madprof98

"My thought exactly. If they nominate a pro-choice Republican, I will just pass on the presidential race."

And you better hope that Hillary wins, because if the GOP won, youd be irrelevant. Some blue states might go red with a pro-choice GOP Prez candidate(ME, NH, CT) but I cant think of any red states that would go blue.


45 posted on 04/24/2006 7:30:43 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: ex-snook

I believe they (he) is in Reagan's tomb.


46 posted on 04/24/2006 7:40:30 PM PDT by fish hawk (TU)
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To: stopem

Hey, I'm right here. Right here!!!


47 posted on 04/24/2006 8:58:46 PM PDT by ottersnot ("Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.")
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To: ottersnot

Well now we know where the conservatives have gone, they have been HERE all along.....;)


48 posted on 04/24/2006 9:08:41 PM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: Altair333

I guess a 100 percent pro-life rating for George Allen isn't enough. Geesh.........

He hasn't gone against us on a single life issue and he won't change any time soon, either.


49 posted on 04/25/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT by ReagansRaiders (Unofficial George Allen for President online store -- www.cafepress.com/georgeallen2008)
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Well now we know where the conservatives have gone, they have been HERE all along.....;)

Good joke.

50 posted on 04/25/2006 7:26:31 AM PDT by Protagoras (The world is full of successful idiots and genius failures.)
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