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Bush: Massive deportation of migrants won't work
Reuters ^ | 4.24.06 | Tabassum Zakaria

Posted on 04/24/2006 1:36:56 PM PDT by Dr. Marten

By Tabassum Zakaria

IRVINE, California (Reuters) - President George W. Bush said on Monday he doubted a "massive deportation" of foreigners living illegally in the United States would solve the country's immigration woes, as he tried to revive prospects for an election-year agreement in the divided U.S. Congress.

Senators returned to Washington on Monday from a two-week recess after Democrats and Republicans were unable to reach a compromise on what to do about an estimated 11.5 million to 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.

 

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderlist; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; calvisit; deportation; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; irvine; openborders
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1 posted on 04/24/2006 1:37:01 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: HiJinx

Ping!


2 posted on 04/24/2006 1:37:26 PM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten

Before we decide it won't work let's try it!


3 posted on 04/24/2006 1:38:47 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Dr. Marten

massive deportation won't work.
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Well, of course not regardless of what some extremists say.


4 posted on 04/24/2006 1:39:04 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Dr. Marten
Funny how the Bush Admin can carry on to the ends of the earth when it matters to them - the War on Drugs for example.

But when it doesn't matter, they throw up their arms and say it can't be done.

5 posted on 04/24/2006 1:39:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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To: Dr. Marten
The key, Mr. President, is to get the illegals to self deport by aggressively going after employers who hire them, cutting off all their welfare freebies, and repealing the anchor baby laws. Did you address any of this in your speech today? Didn't think so. Far easier just to say "massive deportation won't work."
6 posted on 04/24/2006 1:40:18 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dr. Marten

I believe ALL elected officials are sworn to obey the Contitution? Oh, it's just an old meaningless document anyway. Politicians these days are so much smarter than our founders.


7 posted on 04/24/2006 1:41:13 PM PDT by vpintheak (What's worse, and liberal, or a know it all posing as a Conservative?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

you have a point, and the other side of that is, if we don't shut off those illegal jobs and benefits, nothing we do will get rid of them, it will always be worth it to return.


9 posted on 04/24/2006 1:42:03 PM PDT by RolandBurnam (I WANT SOME PORK RINDS!!!!!)
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To: Dane

Oh, good lord.


11 posted on 04/24/2006 1:42:31 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: eleni121

That's why we need to jail the crimminals who hire them. Once you cut off the attraction they deport themselves.


12 posted on 04/24/2006 1:42:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: sheana

We did. 1953.


13 posted on 04/24/2006 1:43:00 PM PDT by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: eleni121

But start arresting some, and the rest flee on their own.

Similarly, arrest business owners and jobs dry up --- causing flight, as well.

A porus border works both ways.


14 posted on 04/24/2006 1:44:39 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Dr. Marten

"as he tried to revive prospects for an election-year agreement in the divided U.S. Congress."

And he thought that he was helping election year candidates....oh no that did not help unless he wanted the other party to win. Wait what is the other party to him?


15 posted on 04/24/2006 1:44:56 PM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: Dr. Marten

Stop hiring them, they'll go home and pay their own transportation costs...

They will never choose to go home as long as they have free health care, education, food stamps, licenses, jobs. Duh!


16 posted on 04/24/2006 1:45:16 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: frankiep

Good Points....it makes ya wonder huh?

All I know is I'm sick of both sides doing nothing but throw up their hands and giving statements like this. It's SO pathetic.

And unless the Republicans grow a serious spine, we're gonna be worse off than we are now. And I fear it's gonna get worse before it gets any better, especially with the government pandering to these illegals.


17 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:01 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (If every illegal came here, carrying a barrell of oil, our problems would be solved (at least w/gas))
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To: Dr. Marten

That depends on whom you are working for, Mr. P. It would work for Americans. It just wouldn't work for the Communists who are inciting illegals to "march for their rights", when as illegals they have NO rights in this country. As criminals, it is their "right" to be incarcerated prior to deportation.

I still think they should all be inducted into the armed services, and deployed to Iraq and other strategic locales in the middle East. If they serve the U.S. well in the service, they can earn citizenship upon discharge. Pay would be better than pickin' peas. They'd get room, board, duds and spending money for the duration. Hard to beat that.


18 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:18 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: L98Fiero

Don't worry I never respond to Dane, or some others around here. It is an exercise in futility.


19 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:25 PM PDT by sheana
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To: cripplecreek

No doubt you have tried to run a small business in some places where you can't get any decent workers? Where for every dollar you pay your employees another 2 dollars goes to the bloated govt?


20 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:33 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Dr. Marten

Bush is full of crap.

Round 'em up and head out.


21 posted on 04/24/2006 1:47:44 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: eleni121

It's not OK for me to buy cheaper medicine in Canada but it's OK to get cheap labor from Mexico?


22 posted on 04/24/2006 1:47:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Dr. Marten
President George W. Bush said on Monday he doubted a "massive deportation" of foreigners living illegally in the United States would solve the country's immigration woes

... W let give it a shot... I'll drive if you buy

23 posted on 04/24/2006 1:48:47 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back there race over country)
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To: sheana

Feeding the troll is always an exercise in futility.


24 posted on 04/24/2006 1:48:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek
"That's why we need to jail the crimminals who hire them. Once you cut off the attraction they deport themselves."

That's it, and Congress can use it as an opportunity to loot the companies by means fines. They don't hesitate to use hefty fines, or even asset forfeiture, when it is an available remedy (which it may not be in this context).

Do 100 raids like the "1200 employees and three managers" raid the other day, and you would not believe how fast millions of people will be moving back home.

25 posted on 04/24/2006 1:50:02 PM PDT by Montfort (Check out the 200+ page free preview of The Figurehead by Thomas Larus at lulu.com/larus)
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To: Dane
There is actually a difference between "deporting" people to death camps and deporting them to their home countries.

Are those two things morally equivalent to you? That seems a bit twisted.

26 posted on 04/24/2006 1:50:21 PM PDT by piceapungens
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To: Dr. Marten

I am so embarrassed that I campaigned for this president, twice! I actually got an "official invitation" to his first inaugeration, but was too busy rallying to stop Gore from stealing the election to make plans to go. I know that the alternative was worse (Gore or Kerry), but what are we to do?! I am voting third party in 2006 to teach a lesson for 2008. I can't give the current Senate-Republicans a "that-a-boy" with my vote this year. The Republican era is over, I'm afraid.


27 posted on 04/24/2006 1:53:03 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: Dane

Oh, for crying out loud, listen to yourself, Dane. You're comparing a deliberate campaign of extermination, by sending legal, Jewish citizens to death camps, with our sending gate crashers back to their country of origin, where they can apply to return through through proper legal channels.

This will no doubt be highly offensive to Jewish people.


28 posted on 04/24/2006 1:53:43 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mr. Mojo

You've hit all of the key points exactly right. Cut off the motivation to come here.


29 posted on 04/24/2006 1:54:20 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: piceapungens; sheana
There is actually a difference between "deporting" people to death camps and deporting them to their home countries.

Are those two things morally equivalent to you? That seems a bit twisted

Actually sheana in her reply #3 asked if mass deportation had ever been tried, and I showed her that it has during WW II.

Hey maybe you all can research the nazi deportation methods and improve on them.

BTW, I see the railcar photo has been removed. I guess the truth of the most efficent deportation in history hurts to some, while they call for the same thing.

30 posted on 04/24/2006 1:54:24 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: vpintheak
Oh, it's just an old meaningless document anyway

You missed the talking point memo. Its not "old and meaningless" . It is a "living document" which should be interpretated to modern mores when it suits liberal discretion.

31 posted on 04/24/2006 1:55:04 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Remember the exodus just following 9-11 when the rumor started that the U.S. would be drafting illegals to serve in a war zone. Make that fact and they will also leave.


32 posted on 04/24/2006 1:56:23 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: piceapungens

I agree with you on post number 8, but was the post so bad that it needed removal by a moderator? Give me a break! Moderators, in my opinion, should be using the removal remedy for serious offenses such as gorey posts and sexual/offensive posts.


33 posted on 04/24/2006 1:56:58 PM PDT by rodeocowboy (Vote Constitution Party in 2006 to send a message to the Republican Party for 2008!)
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To: Dane

"Hey maybe you all can research the nazi deportation methods and improve on them."

You've gone completely insane, haven't you?


34 posted on 04/24/2006 1:57:18 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dane; All

Why on earth was that photo removed?

Thanks for posting that photo, Dane, but I fear that emotions run high and nothing short of massive roundups will satisfy the anti immigrant sentiment around.

It is easy to point fingers at those who supposedly take American jobs..nothing could be further from the truth but you already know that---it's called scapegoating. I hear it from certain lazies who complain about not finding work so they blame the "Mexicans".

The only valid argument in favor of stricter immigration laws are the ones relating to terrorists. But they fall flat too. In fact, terrorists can come here legally and easily from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, ad nauseum, on airliners through airports etc.


35 posted on 04/24/2006 1:57:46 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Dr. Marten; Mr. Mojo

Mr Mojo is right. If you punish companies that hire illegal workers, they'll stop hiring. Simple enough to do, using social security and tax reports.

If you stop giving them free schooling, free hospital care except in dire emergencies, in-state tuition rates not available to American citizens, and welfare benefits for which they are not qualified, it will also discourage them.

States that insist on handing out massive benefits, like California, should get no help or reimbursement from the federal government.

You will still have a few illegals, but then the situation will be controllable, and you can use normal law enforcement procedures. The reason we have all these illegals here in the first place is earlier amnesties, and widespread refusal to enforce our existing laws.


36 posted on 04/24/2006 1:57:48 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sheana

I am confused... I am a newbie here.

If you disagree with the prevailing view, is it the standard answer to call them a "troll" or ignore them?

I made the mistake of taking a moderate position on "the wall" and got called "troll", "stupid" and various other Ad-hominem attacks in my first set of postings.

So what is the proper way to post an opposite opinion here?

Or do we just not post opposite views to avoid getting flamed or called names?


37 posted on 04/24/2006 1:58:23 PM PDT by bugsplat
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To: Pittsburg Phil
Round 'em up and head out

Go to this link and you can research to your hearts content, the most "efficient" method in modern times.

Link

38 posted on 04/24/2006 1:58:36 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: dirtboy
If massed deportations of Mexicans start, there will be mass denial of entry in Mexico .

Once Mexico refuses to admit the forcely-repatriated millions, there will be mass issuing of work permits to these illegal aliens, turning then into de facto legal immigrants.

Do you really think that Mexico will allow such internal turmoil caused by massive deportations?

39 posted on 04/24/2006 1:59:48 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Paperdoll

Women, too? Old people? Children? Don't see how that would work.


40 posted on 04/24/2006 2:00:18 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: eleni121
Why on earth was that photo removed?

The truth hurts to the FR deportation crowd, I surmise.

41 posted on 04/24/2006 2:00:18 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Montfort

As far as I'm concerned the companies that hire the illegals should pay the cost of repatriating them to their home country.

Give the illegal 60 days to make his plans and a couple of thousand dollars (Paid by the offending company) that should give him plenty of time and a good start in making his way in Mexico.


42 posted on 04/24/2006 2:00:54 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Dane

IN what way does the analogy to totalitarian methods NOT reflect the yells of certain fringe elements who are calling for all illegals to be rounded up...how is that different from the actions of Nazis and Commies?


43 posted on 04/24/2006 2:01:00 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

"The only valid argument in favor of stricter immigration laws are the ones relating to terrorists."

Valid? LOL. No need for "stricter" immigration laws, when the ones we have are not being enforced; they're just blown off with a wink and a nudge.


44 posted on 04/24/2006 2:01:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dane

You're histrionic, you need help, your post was pulled because it was offensive, childish nonsense.


45 posted on 04/24/2006 2:02:13 PM PDT by piceapungens
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To: Personal Responsibility

Yeah, my bad.


46 posted on 04/24/2006 2:02:41 PM PDT by vpintheak (What's worse, and liberal, or a know it all posing as a Conservative?)
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To: eleni121

"how is that different from the actions of Nazis and Commies?"

They targeted their own people for extermination. We're attempting to get our own government to enforce its own immigration laws.


47 posted on 04/24/2006 2:02:44 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Dr. Marten
President George W. Bush said on Monday he doubted a "massive deportation" of foreigners living illegally in the United States would solve the country's immigration woes

I think our immigration woes first include the 4 million who are waiting in line to come into the country legally, with some having been in line for 23 years. I can pity them, but I have minus zero compassion for those who stole across the border.
48 posted on 04/24/2006 2:02:50 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: L98Fiero
This was going to Dane and his unique "taste" in artwork, but the moderator beat me to it. You can appreciate this...

Making friends every day, right dane?

Make it a felony to be in-country illegally, put the owners of the companies using illegals in jail, cut off the free healthcare and welfare, get rid of the anchor baby b.s. and the criminal illegal alien invaders will be driving those shiny new pickups and Blazers right back across the border just as fast as they can get through the lines at the bridges.

Of course, if they try to stay and get caught, they can still contribute by serving their two years prison time working on the Border Fence Project.

Gotta think Win-Win there Dane...

49 posted on 04/24/2006 2:03:25 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ Day -1 to Day 8, Texas Minutemen El Paso, 32 Days)
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To: george wythe
If massed deportations of Mexicans start, there will be mass denial of entry in Mexico .

The idea is to make the Mexicans want to go back on their own, not to just round them all up. And I don't think Mexico can refuse re-entry to its own citizens.

50 posted on 04/24/2006 2:04:04 PM PDT by dirtboy (Illegal is to immigration is as methyl is to alcohol - both make a good thing toxic.)
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