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A Very Real Terror Threat - EMP
CBN.com ^ | Erick Stakelbeck

Posted on 04/24/2006 6:15:59 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

One national security expert calls it the mega-threat you haven't heard of. But America's enemies know all too well about the destructive potential of an electromagnetic pulse attack.

In the hit film Ocean's Eleven, thieves used it to shut down the city of Las Vegas. In last summer's blockbuster, War of the Worlds, alien invaders used it to cripple the Earth's infrastructure. And the heroes of The Matrix used it to disable rampaging robots.

It is an electromagnetic pulse bomb, also known as EMP.

But EMP is not just another Hollywood special effect. A growing number of national security experts and lawmakers say its one of the top threats facing America today, and that we may not be prepared to stop it.

Frank Gaffney is president of The Center for Security Policy, a conservative think-tank in Washington, D.C. Gaffney said, "Electromagnetic pulse is an effect of nuclear weapons that has been known for a long time."

His new book is called War Footing: 10 Steps America Must Take to Prevail in the War for the Free World. The book devotes an entire chapter to the EMP threat.

"If that pulse hits the electrical grids of the United States," Gaffney explained, "if it hits electronic devices, computers, chips of various kinds--the things, in other words, that power our society--they're likely to be severely damaged, if not destroyed.

So how would an EMP attack work? The detonation of a single low-yield nuclear weapon at a high altitude above the United States would send powerful electromagnetic pulses down to the Earth's surface. These EMPs could potentially knock out America's power grid.

This would wreak havoc on the country's electronic systems, and plunge much--if not all--of the continental U.S. into a pre-industrial state.

Americans would be left with no electricity or heat. No running water. No working computers or telephones. Cars, trains, and airplanes would be unable to operate. Water sanitization would be slow and difficult--and food would spoil due to lack of refrigeration. These conditions could last for several months or even longer.

"Make no mistake about it--as we got a foretaste in a small way from Katrina--if America's electricity and computers and all of the things they make possible cease to function, there will be great death and destruction," Gaffney warned. "We will almost certainly be unable to sustain our population, especially in America's large cities."

All of this could conceivably be carried out with a single nuclear-armed scud missile, fired from a freighter off the shores of the United States. It's no wonder America's enemies are well aware of EMP.

Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA) is vice-chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. His book, Countdown to Terror, details how Iran has already detonated missiles at high altitudes--in a manner similar to that used in an EMP attack.

"North Korea has that capability," Weldon said. "China has that capability."

He added, "Iran is very close to having a nuclear weapon. I would say a matter of months--at the most, a few years. If Iran can marry up a small nuclear warhead with that Shahab missile system--and we know they've tested their missile systems on boats--and they put that on a freighter off of our coast, they have the capability to shut down our economy from the East Coast to the West Coast without harming--directly--any human being."

Weldon was instrumental in forming the EMP Commission. Comprised of nine leading scientists, the commission authored a comprehensive report in 2004. It detailed America's vulnerability to an EMP attack.

The report has been cited by former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and Senator John Kyl (R-AZ), who held Senate hearings on the EMP threat in 2005.

The report stated that, "...EMP is one of a small number of threats that has the potential to hold our society seriously at risk and might result in defeat of our military forces."

It went on, "...some potential sources of EMP threats are difficult to deter--they can be terrorist groups that have no state identity, have only one or a few weapons, and are motivated to attack the U.S. without regard for their own safety."

Weldon says his concern over EMP is not about politics. He points to a meeting he and other house members had with Russian officials in 1999.

Weldon said, "A former Russian ambassador to the U.S., a former Russian ambassador-- Soviet ambassador--said to us, 'You know, you may be the world's only superpower now, but we still have the ability to shut down your society.' We knew what he was talking about. He was talking about the use of an EMP."

Gaffney said that with the exception of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the Pentagon has shown little interest in EMP. Nevertheless, he says there are steps that America can take to defend against an EMP attack, such as developing a credible missile defense system to shoot down incoming missiles. Weldon added that, in the end, it all boils down to hardening America's infrastructure.

"How can we harden our telecommunications, our electric grid, our air traffic control?" Weldon asked. "How can we protect those systems, so that the effect of an EMP--which are these waves given off from the burst--how can we prevent those waves from penetrating those systems and frying them?"

The EMP Commission says that America's infrastructure can be hardened against an EMP attack, and at a modest price. But first, the federal government has to make that commitment. With America's enemies continuing to explore EMP, there may not be time to waste.


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It would also effect gasoline, natural gas, heating oil, because it requires electricity to pump these fuels into your fuel tanks and into your house. That means all transportation will cease. Without transportation there will be no more food, clothing, entertainment, heat, air conditioning, lights, anywhere in the United States. How long can a country last without these things? AND for the yung'ins: NO MORE COMPUTOR GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 04/24/2006 6:16:02 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Weldon has been all over this for several years. It is a real threat..and needs far less 'tech' to make it a reality. That said, I think we have a more measures to thwart or otherwise protect against EMP measures than disclosed publicly. Nevertheless, interested folks should read up.


2 posted on 04/24/2006 6:22:00 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: Iam1ru1-2

They're on it...

3 posted on 04/24/2006 6:22:11 PM PDT by edpc
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I feel so much better now.


4 posted on 04/24/2006 6:25:16 PM PDT by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

No!!!! What would I do without my Civilization III?

Seriously, though, I don't see why this isn't publicized more. It's scary to know that the entire country could be plunged into darkness with a single nuclear attack.


5 posted on 04/24/2006 6:25:18 PM PDT by figgers3036
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To: Iam1ru1-2

6 posted on 04/24/2006 6:26:15 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: COEXERJ145

Call it what you will, but when it happens to the U.S. it won't be "just THIS SH*T AGAIN to you or anybody else. It will be stark reality with...........NO IMMEDIATE CURE!!!!


7 posted on 04/24/2006 6:29:54 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

"steps that America can take to defend against an EMP attack, such as developing a credible missile defense system..."

It makes far more sense to put the electrical nodes deep under ground. Also, large backup power facilities that are turned off! EMP only effects active generators and batteries, things that are carrying a current.


8 posted on 04/24/2006 6:29:58 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Prost1

"It makes far more sense to put the electrical nodes deep under ground. Also, large backup power facilities that are turned off! EMP only effects active generators and batteries, things that are carrying a current."



Those are probably the only encouraging sentences I've ever seen on this subject.

Do you know a good site that offers advice and solutions for EMP?


9 posted on 04/24/2006 6:43:37 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

And the answer is:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm

and for your reading pleasure...all about HAARP

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=1


10 posted on 04/24/2006 6:51:10 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Prost1

Get one old vehicle with points or magneto and leave the battery disconnected. Get a mechanical clock and watch. Keep radios and a cheap phone in heavy steel (ammo) boxes. Keep paper printouts of your statements and contacts. Get a hand-operated drum pump & hose. Don't use electronic gun locks. Don't get a pacemaker.


11 posted on 04/24/2006 6:57:21 PM PDT by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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To: Prost1

"steps that America can take to defend against an EMP attack, such as developing a credible missile defense system..."

"It makes far more sense to put the electrical nodes deep under ground. Also, large backup power facilities that are turned off! EMP only effects active generators and batteries, things that are carrying a current."

This is not true.

Pretty much everything with transistors or IC's will be burnt out, whether powered up or not. Electric motors will have their windings burnt out. Switches will be shorted or blown open. It does not even matter if it is plugged in or not.

Putting power under ground will not work if every car, truck, train, or boat is dead and if every appliance in every home is shot.



12 posted on 04/24/2006 7:02:28 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Prost1
This seems like just another slightly veiled attack on Rumsfeld.

My question is, would it damage batteries and emergency generators?
13 posted on 04/24/2006 7:02:43 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Prost1

"Initially, the plasma from the weapon is slightly conducting; the geomagnetic field cannot penetrate this volume and is displaced as a result. This impulsive distortion of the geomagnetic field was observed worldwide in the case of the STARFISH test. To be sure, the size of the signal from this process is not large, but systems connected to long lines (e.g., power lines, telephone wires, and tracking wire antennas) are at risk because of the large size of the induced current. The additive effects of the MHD-EMP can cause damage to unprotected civilian and military systems that depend on or use long-line cables. Small, isolated, systems tend to be unaffected. "




Does this mean things that aren't connected to the long line cables should be unaffected by a terrorist strike?

Thanks for the links.


14 posted on 04/24/2006 7:04:06 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Prost1
Oops. I take that back. I didn't read it close enough. Rumsfeld would be the hero here.
15 posted on 04/24/2006 7:04:07 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Remind me how the terrorists are going to get the warhead undetected into ballistic orbit above the USA again?


16 posted on 04/24/2006 7:04:37 PM PDT by Lost Dutchman (You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you can't make them think)
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To: pollyannaish

All batteries would be neutralized. Generators, if off, would not be effected.

Anything carrying an electrical current would be fried.


17 posted on 04/24/2006 7:05:29 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: polymuser

Better yet an old vehicle without points or any ignition system at all, for that matter (a diesel). Make sure it's one with mechanical fuel injection. A spare alternator in a Faraday cage wouldn't hurt. I wish my stepdaughter could take the advice about the pacemaker.


18 posted on 04/24/2006 7:06:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Prost1

Gotcha.

Thanks.


19 posted on 04/24/2006 7:06:58 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Prost1

Why would the armature coils in the generator's alternator not be affected? Many newer generators have a digital inverter built in which would most certainly be fried.


20 posted on 04/24/2006 7:08:46 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The black out in Ohio was from a VIRIS in the software.

What this article is talking about is an EMP attack which REQUIRES a NUCELAR BOMB. It's a side effect of a nuclear bomb. They rather KILL people then shut down electricity. This is a silly author.


21 posted on 04/24/2006 7:09:06 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: ansel12

I'm not the expert, but distance from the blast improves survival and if the electrical units are not part of a large grid they may escape. The key is that all the important electrical components in our society would be destroyed. A city's entire electrical source wiped out - no city lights, no home electricity, no refrigeration, no beer, no transportation, no water purification, no beer, no sewage treatment, no hospitals, no medicine....


22 posted on 04/24/2006 7:10:44 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: BearWash

some additional reading...

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=emp&ei=UTF-8&fr=sbc-web&x=wrt&u=www.house.gov/hasc/openingstatementsandpressreleases/108thcongress/04-07-22emp.pdf&w=emp&d=CxDE2UaqMqF1&icp=1&.intl=u


23 posted on 04/24/2006 7:12:35 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: nmh
A high-altitude EMP burst, of the type that a superpower could mount, would be much more destructive to a country than a nuclear weapon detonated near ground level in a city.
24 posted on 04/24/2006 7:13:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash

Their not interested in destroying buildings etc. They're interested in killing people. THAT is what makes them happy.


25 posted on 04/24/2006 7:15:47 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: BearWash

Their not interested in destroying buildings etc. They're interested in killing people. THAT is what makes them happy.


26 posted on 04/24/2006 7:15:54 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: BearWash

"A high-altitude EMP burst, of the type that a superpower could mount, would be much more destructive to a country than a nuclear weapon detonated near ground level in a city."

Absolutely. And, this has been known for years!

Next, read up on HAARP and tell me about global warming...
And then there is the little secret of the Russians playing the same, although smaller ELF (HAARP) games in the 1980s. Reagan told them to stop doing what they were doing. They denied doing what they were doin but stopped doing what they denied.

The result was the EL NINO effect in the Pacific Ocean returned to normal!


27 posted on 04/24/2006 7:16:26 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: BearWash
They also don't have the capability to pull off detonating a nuclear bomb. They don't have it down pat yet.

Sorry about the double posting ... impatience.
28 posted on 04/24/2006 7:17:29 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) !)
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To: BearWash

Same deal for the coils in the starter of the engine. Going to need a big Faraday Cage!


29 posted on 04/24/2006 7:18:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
You clearly don't know jack about what is necessary to generate a continent wide EMP.

This is nothing but Joseph Farah's bullsh*t rehashed.

Terrorists do not have the means to get a nuclear weapons high enough to create that kind of EMP nor do they possess the THERMONUCLEAR weapon needed to do it.

30 posted on 04/24/2006 7:21:18 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: Prost1

"no refrigeration, no beer, no transportation, no water purification, no beer"




I have a stockpile of about 300 quarts of hard liqueur and liqueurs.

Even though my drink of choice is beer, I would still have something to do while waiting for supplies to start again.

46 of those quarts are Tequila, between those and the guns I could probably even do a little merry making.


31 posted on 04/24/2006 7:23:56 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: COEXERJ145

"A large device detonated at 400–500 km over Kansas would affect all of CONUS. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point."




400km is very high, I think they would go for the people of some unfortunate city instead.


32 posted on 04/24/2006 7:29:20 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
Short of an ICBM, there is no way to get a nuke that high.

If terrorists had a nuclear weapon, they would deploy it against a major metropolitan area for maximum effect.

This EMP crap has been pushed for the last 5 years and has been dismissed as garbage by most military and scientific analysts.

33 posted on 04/24/2006 7:33:18 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta

Refresher PING

All of this could conceivably be carried out with a single nuclear-armed scud missile, fired from a freighter off the shores of the United States. It's no wonder America's enemies are well aware of EMP.


34 posted on 04/24/2006 7:38:11 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Matthew 24:37"For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.)
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To: ansel12

Supplies may never arrive. Read the government assessment.

One scenario is that the Iranians or terrorists could put a scud missile on a freighter, "sail" off the East Coast and launch from many miles out. Since the EMP effect is Line of Sight, a bomb blast over Philadelpia would knock out most of the Industrial, Commerial Atlantic Seaboard, ie, Eastern Pennsylvania, New York City, New Jersey, Wash DC...over 20 million people effected.

The government could not bring enough food and water in and the military could not caravan that many people out. Result, panic, riots, death.

Now if you live in Pahrump, Nv. and have plenty of water, floor, beans and various seeds for crops....


35 posted on 04/24/2006 7:47:55 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Prost1

I would be okay for the first year, but shortly after that I would be looking for things to have settled down some.


36 posted on 04/24/2006 7:55:01 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

A good novel to read is Earth Abides or Alas, Babylon.

see link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Abides


37 posted on 04/24/2006 8:00:09 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: SueRae

Vacuum tubes are practically insensitive, and so are chemical batteries like those in uninterruptible power supplies. EMP is not the end of the world.


38 posted on 04/24/2006 8:19:37 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: COEXERJ145

"You clearly don't know jack about what is necessary to generate a continent wide EMP."

Right you are.

And no one mentions that the field strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance.

Even from large weapons the effect is mostly localized.

Conducted pulses some distance from the detonation are handled the same way as lightning strikes, ie. gas discharge arrestors, etc.


39 posted on 04/24/2006 8:34:34 PM PDT by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: EEDUDE
And no one mentions that the field strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance.

The effects of a large magnetic field would also be proportional to the loop area. Something like a set of power transmission lines many feet apart and spanning many miles would have a large integrated loop area. But most consumer products would have a very small area.

40 posted on 04/24/2006 9:18:49 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I have been reading a lot about this for some time now. I kept telling people this might be a threat. I am pleased to see I am not the only one concerned!


41 posted on 04/24/2006 9:21:17 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Second time I've read this article on this forum. Last time was, oh, last year sometime.


42 posted on 04/24/2006 9:23:23 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Prost1

I think that is a book I've been looking for for 25 years, but I didn't know the title.

At someones house I read most of it, but had to leave quickly and couldn't finish it.

If it is the one I'm thinking of, the guy barely survived a rattlesnake bite, then wandered down the mountain to find out everybody was dead.

I love the genre, and in that particular book the writer pointed out many descriptions of a post human America I hadn't thought of, such as temporary animal and insect imbalances, such as rodents in the cities, until they're food and predator balance could normalize.


43 posted on 04/24/2006 9:49:55 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Iam1ru1-2

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0446350354/qid=1145942669/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-6882960-6698330?s=books&v=glance&n=283155


44 posted on 04/24/2006 10:26:33 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Iam1ru1-2

"This would wreak havoc on the country's electronic systems, and plunge much--if not all--of the continental U.S. into a pre-industrial state."

Cool. I still got some stuff left over from Y2K I can finally use.


45 posted on 04/24/2006 10:29:27 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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ON THE NET...

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "A TERRORIST'S DREAM, AN AMERICAN NIGHTMARE" by By Lt. Col. Gordon Cucullu (December 6, 2005) (Read More...)

46 posted on 04/25/2006 1:20:11 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Hollywood special effect ? You mean like in that episode of season four of the FOX series '24' ?

That was so fake !

They made the EMP device resemble, in a vague way, a small nuclear reactor, and had the EMP effect build up gradually .

That is not how they work ! !

A real EMP device is very similar to a Tesla Coil .
It is powered by an explosive charge that drives powerful magnets down thru the length of the core of this helical induction coil that is connected to a high voltage capacitor to form an oscillatory circuit -

Ideally these magnetic cores are fired down the insulating barrel, that this Tesla Coil is wrapped around(the barrel itself, cannot be made of any conducting metals),
at a velocity that drives them to the end(s) of this helical conducting loop(Tesla Resonance Coil) at a time period that is coincident to the time period of the frequency of the electromagnetic wave generated by the frequency of the oscillatory circuit .

The difference with his device and a true Tesla Coil is that there is no primary coil circuit .
And, this EMP device is a one shot, one 'PING' device .

A single electromagnetic wave will be self-reinforcing . .

That is how the EMP works !
48 posted on 05/20/2006 10:55:17 PM PDT by marc costanzo (Win the Crowd, and you will win Your Freedom !)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Why can't we use this type of weaponry to disable/disarm the NK and Iranian nuclear programs???


49 posted on 10/22/2006 1:20:01 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Iam1ru1-2
"...EMP is one of a small number of threats that has the potential to hold our society seriously at risk and might result in defeat of our military forces."

I'm no military expert by any means, but I believe our military has been prepared or preparing for this for a long time.

On another note, when the libs can't go to Starbucks and surf wirelessly while they sip on a double mocha latte because the power is out, I think they'll get it. Maybe.

50 posted on 10/22/2006 1:28:31 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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