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Brothers of the unpopped question
St. Petersburg Times ^ | April 25, 2006 | LEONORA LAPETER with Matthew Waite and researcher Angie Drobnic Holan

Posted on 04/25/2006 6:38:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Twenty-five years ago, most men in the Tampa Bay area married by age 35. But since 1980, the number of never-married men 35 to 55 has jumped sevenfold.

ST. PETERSBURG - On the eve of his 50th birthday, Robert Mendenhall was trying to decide whether to spend the big day with someone new or with his ex-girlfriend. She had held his interest the longest: eight months.

Mendenhall, who works in regional sales for a roofing and window company, hangs out with half a dozen never-married men in their late 40s and early 50s. They are successful at their jobs, keep themselves in good shape and spend a lot of time traversing Tampa's social network. Mendenhall said he surmises they gravitate toward each other because none of them have kids and they like to go out on the town.

Most of them would like to find someone.

"I wanted to get married but the right one never came along," said Mendenhall, who decided to go out with his ex-girlfriend for his birthday. "It could be me, I guess if I analyzed it hard enough. But I think I've left the door open every night."

Twenty-five years ago in Tampa Bay, there were 8,500 never-married men age 35 to 54; now there are more than 57,000. There are 33 percent fewer never-married women in this age range.

"A large number of older people who have never been married are starting to appear on the scene," said Jodi DeLuca, a psychologist and relationship expert from Tampa. "It's not as much as the divorced, but they're in their late 30s and 40s and they've never been married. And if you question them why they think they never married, their answer almost clear across the board is, "I never met the right person."'

The numbers of women waiting to marry until they are older also has increased since 1980, but their numbers are not nearly as high as the bottleneck of men moving into their late 40s and early 50s, never having said their "I dos.' ' While the population of men has not even doubled here, this group has increased sevenfold.

Among 35- to 39-year-olds in Hillsborough, Pinellas, Pasco and Hernando counties, there are about 22,000 never-married men and 17,500 never-married women.

The difference between the sexes continues in 40- to 44-year-old never-marrieds: 17,500 men and 14,300 women. Twenty-five years ago the numbers were 1,900 men and 1,500 women.

"I think there's generally more acceptance for being a bachelor but I think it's harder for men to live single because they've not developed some of the same social skills to lead a good single life," said E. Kay Trimberger, author of The New Single Woman.

Karl Balducci, one of more than 10,000 never-married men ages 45 to 49 in Tampa Bay, says he's become good at living alone. He builds a life around the beach, triathlons and fixer-upper apartments. Though he'd like to marry, he said he's very selective, and he's not going to force it.

"I'm hoping I can see someone from across the room wherever I happen to be, and I have the nerve to walk up to her and we see each other and we click," he said. "I would never do computer ads. It seems forced and unnatural."

Balducci, 46, said he's noticed a number of men in their 40s who have never married. Many are struggling with modern American women, so much so that one moved to the Ukraine to date women and another brought a woman back from the Philippines.

Balducci has a theory about it. Women, he says, are more independent - yet more confused.

"They don't know what they want and it makes it tougher on guys," he said. "Women used to be dependent on men and it's not like that anymore. And it creates power struggles when they do get together."

One of the reasons he thinks he's still single is that his income from fixing up homes, selling art and occasionally driving a moving van isn't enough for women.

"I think if I was in a higher tax bracket, I'd be more likely to be married because of that," he said. "It seems to me if women are in the work force, they should be more willing to settle for a guy who doesn't make a million dollars a year."

Pepper Schwartz, a sociologist from the University of Washington and a relationship expert on, says men who have never married in these older age ranges fall into two opposite groups.

"One group is the men nobody wants, the ones where two seconds later you know why they are not married," Schwartz said. "They don't earn money or they are obese. They are not good in the market. They are losers in the truest sense of the word.

"The other group is guys with a huge amount of possibilities. They are handsome, charming, successful. They have a series of girlfriends, a series of romantic liaisons and they ... have too many choices to settle on one person. And they get to a point where suddenly they are 45 and it's not looking so good anymore and then they start to look around for someone to have a quick family."

Devin Ridley-Marks puffed on a cigar at the back of Central Cigars in St. Petersburg, his quest to find 20 years of lost papers of the Tampa Daily Times foremost on his mind.

He produced a tiny digital clock that counted down the time until a festival he was organizing to commemorate the newspaper his great-great-grandfather founded in 1893: 70 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, 10 seconds.

But another clock ticks in his head. The 36-year-old wants to get married and have kids in the next five years.

Herein lies Ridley-Marks' challenge. Not only must he find someone who shares his passion for finding old newspapers, he's also struggling with the Tampa Bay area's demographics: There are 43,101 more never-married men than women.

That's 100 never-married men for every 84 never-married women.

Ridley-Marks said he's looking for someone who shares his passion for history and a southern sense of family and heritage. Like many people, he wanted to wait until he had his career going before he married.

On average, men now marry at age 27, compared with 25 in 1980; for women, the average age to marry is 26 now, compared with 22 in 1980.

Men have always tended to wait longer because they don't have ticking biological clocks to worry about . Some, like Ridley-Marks, have waited until they got careers off the ground. Now other factors are coming into play.

With fewer never-married women to go around, many younger men are dating women 10 or 15 years older.

"You're seeing a lot of younger men with older women and it's because there are no defined rules of engagement," said DeLuca, the psychologist. "Anything goes socially ... women in their 30s and 40s are open to dating men in their 20s."

Ridley-Marks says he won't settle for anything but someone who makes his heart pound. When she comes along is anyone's guess.

"It's hard to find the right woman," he said. "I think what you have now is a population of Generation X-ers and Generation Y-ers who are not pressed by expectations to settle down at a traditional age - in your 20s. And so you have 30-somethings behaving like 20-somethings."

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To: wmfights

IOW, are these the children of upper middle-class whites?

I'm thinking yes. Also how many of the never married are children of divorced parents? And how many significant others on the average to these people have throughout their dating lifetime?

41 posted on 04/25/2006 7:56:45 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Vision
Feminism baby. You reap what you sow

Ding ding, you just nailed it, IMHO. As I get older and watch the antics of young women, it does not surprise me that many men do not want to attempt a permanent relationship. Assuming a guy can work up the courage to approach one of these "untouchables", he will most likely be soon repelled by their self centered personalities.

If I were single today, I may well be one of these guys. Doubt I would have the patience to wade through all the neurotics to find a stable woman.
42 posted on 04/25/2006 7:59:07 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What the writer does NOT mention is the fact that committing to marriage also commits one to the arbitrary and capricious "justice" system which is a constant threat to ones children, life savings and means of self-support.

Compound that with the cantankerous nature of modern, "liberated" women and you really can't blame men for being on the reluctant side where marriage is concerned.

43 posted on 04/25/2006 8:00:54 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I'd like to see a count of men and women who are married and are actually happy with the person they chose. I am meeting more women who are unhappy with the men they married but don't want a divorce because they are afraid of being alone now that they are in their fifties.

44 posted on 04/25/2006 8:02:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Immigration Control and Border Security -The jobs George W. Bush doesn't want to do.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let's all thank the feminists (and to a lesser extent, the homos) for this scenario. But try to get a feminist to admit the truth of the situation? Good luck!

45 posted on 04/25/2006 8:03:47 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: wmfights

Apropos of the "Russian bride" syndrome - given the overtly Marxist and femiNazi atmosphere at American institutes of higher education, it ironic that American males find Russian women to be less Marxist/femiNazi than the American women who have been through the American education system.

46 posted on 04/25/2006 8:03:55 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: Disambiguator

Perhaps...but then again the women probably don't like guys either...

47 posted on 04/25/2006 8:19:33 AM PDT by RockinRight (Yes...she's an excellent tour guide!)
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To: RockinRight

There are a few of those, to be sure. They seem to gravitate more to the East Bay, IIRC.

48 posted on 04/25/2006 8:25:27 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Unfettered gun ownership is the highest expression of civil rights.)
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To: Paradox
"... we have created a mythology about ideal love."

I was a bachelor for about twenty years, after a ten-year marriage that ended in divorce. I eventually realized that I had placed too many requirements on any future mrs. riverdawg: can't be too young or too old, nobody from work, no children, etc. I ended up marrying someone I met at work, who is twenty years younger, with a five-year-old (now eleven-year-old) child. We broke every "rule" put forward by so-called relationship counselors. The lesson to be learned from our experience is "don't paint yourself into a little corner; it can be very lonely there."
49 posted on 04/25/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Huck


50 posted on 04/25/2006 8:31:35 AM PDT by Banjoguy (I refuse to 'Google' anything at anytime.)
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To: Banjoguy

You're half right. So really, how's the air up there?

51 posted on 04/25/2006 8:33:22 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Graybeard58
Wasn't hard for me, I've been married to her for a long time now.

How sweet, greetings and congratulations to you Graybeard :~D

Happily married too, and my marriage came later than the average. There is hope :~D

Good luck to all who are still looking.

52 posted on 04/25/2006 8:35:58 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: speedy

Thanks for the jokes... They provide some smiles before we get to the really bitter people who will come along soon enough to a thread like this :~D

53 posted on 04/25/2006 8:37:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: lastchance
I told her forget that, marry a plumber... ...Course if she was really smart she would become a plumber.

Indeed... :~D

54 posted on 04/25/2006 8:38:40 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: bert
Why buy a cow when the milk is sour?

Why suffer a man who compares you to a cow?

55 posted on 04/25/2006 8:39:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Pepper Schwartz, a sociologist from the University of Washington and a relationship expert on, says men who have never married in these older age ranges fall into two opposite groups....obese or rich, handsome and picky.

Obviously this relationship expert needs to get out more.

I'll say the reason I am not married and never will be is because I just can't stand being around people for any length of time.

56 posted on 04/25/2006 8:45:46 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Interestingly enough, there are a few people in my office not married and we got into a discussion about why and some say that they don't want to go to any more funerals than they have too. They said that I might have to go to my wife's funeral and even worse go to one of my three kids funerals. They said that they would not want to feel that kind of pain. I thought yieks. I pray I go selfish of me, but isn't that interesting that people feel that way. No wonder people are not marrying to afraid of losing people.

57 posted on 04/25/2006 9:00:11 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

"I could have missed the pain, but I'd have had to miss the dance"~Garth Brooks

I've gone to some very sad funerals, but none so sad that I wished I'd never known the person.

58 posted on 04/25/2006 9:09:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Huck
Right, obviously anyone who doesn't find a suitable mate is an immature jerk.

I made no such statement or generalization. Those words came from you. I get the distinct feeling my comment hit you where you live. Feeling negelcted are we?

59 posted on 04/25/2006 9:16:51 AM PDT by Banjoguy (I refuse to 'Google' anything at anytime.)
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To: lastchance
"Also how many of the never married are children of divorced parents? And how many significant others on the average to these people have throughout their dating lifetime?"

I'm thinking the same thing.

Traditions existed for good reason, like find a nice girl and get married.
60 posted on 04/25/2006 9:17:56 AM PDT by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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