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Do not attack Iran
International Herald Tribune ^ | 4/25/6 | Zbigniew Brzezinski

Posted on 04/25/2006 3:14:40 PM PDT by Crackingham

Iran's announcement that it has enriched a minute amount of uranium has unleashed urgent calls for a preventive U.S. air strike by the same sources that earlier urged war on Iraq. If there is another terrorist attack in the United States, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be also immediate charges that Iran was responsible in order to generate public hysteria in favor of military action.

But there are four compelling reasons against a preventive air attack on Iranian nuclear facilities:

1. In the absence of an imminent threat (with the Iranians at least several years away from having a nuclear arsenal), the attack would be a unilateral act of war.

If undertaken without formal Congressional declaration, it would be unconstitutional and merit the impeachment of the President. Similarly, if undertaken without the sanction of the UN Security Council either alone by the United States or in complicity with Israel, it would stamp the perpetrator(s) as an international outlaw(s).

2. Likely Iranian reactions would significantly compound ongoing U.S. difficulties in Iraq and in Afghanistan, perhaps precipitate new violence by Hezbollah in Lebanon, and in all probability cause the United States to become bogged down in regional violence for a decade or more to come. Iran is a country of some 70 million people and a conflict with it would make the misadventure in Iraq look trivial.

3. Oil prices would climb steeply, especially if the Iranians cut their production and seek to disrupt the flow of oil from the nearby Saudi oil fields. The world economy would be severely impacted, with America blamed for it. Note that oil prices have already shot above $70 per barrel, in part because of fears of a U.S./Iran clash.

4. America would become an even more likely target of terrorism.......

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carterpuppet; iran; nukes; puppetmasters
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1 posted on 04/25/2006 3:14:40 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

And we're supposed to listen to the idiot most responsible for the embassy hostage crisis?


2 posted on 04/25/2006 3:16:20 PM PDT by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: Crackingham

I'll take foreign policy advice from President Carter's National Security Advisor as soon as I start taking driving advice from Ted Kennedy.


3 posted on 04/25/2006 3:17:25 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Crackingham

It's the "big news" with Zbigniew Brzezinski.


4 posted on 04/25/2006 3:18:29 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: steveegg

Yes, Zbig and his former boss Jimmy know all about the right way to handle the Iranian nutjob mullahs - just do the opposite of whatever they advise.


5 posted on 04/25/2006 3:18:39 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Crackingham

" If there is another terrorist attack in the United States, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be also immediate charges that Iran was responsible in order to generate public hysteria in favor of military action."

How about ennui, or just plain pique?

It matches the hysteria of this drivel.



6 posted on 04/25/2006 3:20:41 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Crackingham

Hey, let's do it the democrat way and lay the responsibility on them. No airstrikes, No sanctions, No more Israel...Look at all the money we will save if we just ignore them! We can use the extra money to plant Hydrogen trees and build a giant pair of sunglasses for the earth and put filtration devices on all the ponds so the fishies don't get sick.

/kumbya


7 posted on 04/25/2006 3:20:41 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: steveegg

Zbigniew Brzezinski said this in 1978-80; IIRC, Zbigniew Brzezinski just sealed a lovely visit with Iranian diplomats just days before our embassy was seized. Zbigniew Brzezinski said to Carter that Iran was peaceful and would not harm us. Zbigniew Brzezinski and Albright also thought we should capitulate to the Soviets. IMO, Zbigniew Brzezinski is an *ssclown and fully responsible for all this crap. In fact, Zbigniew Brzezinski should probably stand trial for utter incompetence


8 posted on 04/25/2006 3:21:36 PM PDT by sully777 (wWBBD: What would Brian Boitano do?)
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To: Crackingham

Israel has a few subs sitting off the coast of Iran. If Israel goes Iran and Saudi Arabia go.


9 posted on 04/25/2006 3:22:30 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Crackingham
Zbigniew Brzezinski

Carter admin lackey and Islamist appeaser. Zbig, that's how you'll be remembered.

10 posted on 04/25/2006 3:22:32 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Crackingham

What a joke! If Jimmy and Ziggy had attacked Iran in '79, we wouldn't have this mess to deal with now.


11 posted on 04/25/2006 3:22:48 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (DemonRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: Crackingham
Zbigniew Brzezinski is most definitely stuck in a time warp. He thinks what he says matters.
12 posted on 04/25/2006 3:22:51 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: Crackingham

Similarly, if undertaken without the sanction of the UN Security Council either alone by the United States or in complicity with Israel, it would stamp the perpetrator(s) as an international outlaw(s).

Pray tell, Zebigniew and that would mean what exactly?

Name one "outlaw" nation. Go on I dare you.


13 posted on 04/25/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Crackingham
If there is another terrorist attack in the United States, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be also immediate charges that Iran was responsible in order to generate public hysteria in favor of military action.

And this guy is privy to our intelligence gathering and planning, or

14 posted on 04/25/2006 3:23:24 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Crackingham

According to Zbig, we sit here and wait until we're hit. Brilliant.


15 posted on 04/25/2006 3:23:44 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Crackingham
He lost me with the first item about impeaching Bush if he attacks Iran. Hmm, we bombed Lybia, invaded Grenada, bombed Bosnia, etc. all without formal declarations of war.

Actually, lost me before that when he predicted and dismissed in advance that Iran might be found involved in a future terror attack on America. The left has been in a tizzy for years to protect Syria and Iran. Your guess why is as good as mine.

16 posted on 04/25/2006 3:24:32 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Crackingham
ATTACK IRAN NOW!!!!!!

DESTROY THEIR NUCLEAR PROGRAM

17 posted on 04/25/2006 3:25:49 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Crackingham

JIMMY CARTER-
WORST PRESIDENT.
WORST EX-PRESIDENT.
FAVORITE OF DICTATORS AND TYRANTS.
INVENTOR OF MISERY INDEX
GAVE AWAY PANAMA CANAL
444 DAYS
TAKE YOUR CABINET AND HIDE YOUR HEAD IN SHAME, JIMMY.
THE ADULTS HAVE WORK TO DO.


18 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:02 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Old Media gets more shrill, thrashing about like a dinosaur caught in the tar pits.)
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To: Crackingham

Israel showed the right way to handle this. At one point, Hamas was losing leaders every couple of days thanks to precisely targeted strikes.

We ought to kill every last mullah and political leader in Iran. The next one that steps up and mouths off about Israel should again be killed. Kill them until they get the message.

I am personally convinced that the leaders of Iran don't mind much if their people suffer and die in war. However, as individuals, they're cowards.

Regards, Ivan


19 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:03 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Crackingham

Hey Zbig. Kiss my dupa.


20 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:12 PM PDT by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Crackingham

I didn't read the rest of this dribble, but does he go through hypothetical events that could take place if we didn't strike?


21 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:16 PM PDT by lormand (...the wrong person came out of the water that fateful night in Chappaquiddick)
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To: Crackingham

The 1970's reasoning of the Carter crowd is, that if we just wait long enough, Iran will see the error of its ways, and everyone will join hands and live in peace. That's a beguiling idea, but I'm not so sure the World works that way. I see all kinds of evidence of people doing awful and atrocious things, but I don't see evidence of a natural proclivity to sit around a campfire singing Kumbaya.

I think most of us would prefer to avoid an armed conflict. Iran's leadership seems hell-bent on one. Their philosophy seems to be, Please attack us so that the Mahdi will come and we will subdue the World. Not much pacifist thinking there.


22 posted on 04/25/2006 3:26:31 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Crackingham

We can't attack Iran. After all, it mught hurt the regime Carter helped put in power.


23 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:12 PM PDT by TBP
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To: Prost1
"If Israel goes Iran and Saudi Arabia go. "

Don't leave out Syria. (and, maybe Pakistan)

24 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: Crackingham

There are always plenty of good excuses for a lazy coward to do nothing; but, a reasonable person would conclude that this argument means that we must be nuked first before we can act, and that is a wholly unacceptable premise.


25 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:16 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Williams
The left has been in a tizzy for years to protect Syria and Iran. Your guess why is as good as mine.

Because those two countries are the most active in pushing for the elimination of Israel?

26 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:21 PM PDT by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: Crackingham

OK.WHERE IS THE MEGA BARF HURL ALERT?


27 posted on 04/25/2006 3:28:45 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Crackingham
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618589/posts

Hey Zbig, saw your name in here about Iran and the hostage rescue debacle
28 posted on 04/25/2006 3:30:03 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: RobFromGa

You forgot "THE ONLY PRESIDENT TO HAVE THE WORD 'STAGFLATION' APPLIED TO HIS ECONOMIC POLICIES"


29 posted on 04/25/2006 3:30:11 PM PDT by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: Gordongekko909

LOLOL Pretty well sums it up ;)


30 posted on 04/25/2006 3:32:15 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: blam
Syria will probably be destroyed by an errant missile. The Israel missile defense is exceptional but not full proof.

Lots of folks should have worries. The Palestinians especially. They number 3 to 1 vs the Israelies. Guess who is most likely to be hit with the "super accurate" Iranian missiles?
31 posted on 04/25/2006 3:32:35 PM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Crackingham
Darn. We might make them mad. They might sponsor acts of terrorism. Ooops. Too late. This analysis completely ignores the cooperation between North Korea and technology transfers from A. Q. Khan in Pakistan. The analysis ignores the recent missile tests.
32 posted on 04/25/2006 3:32:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Crackingham
War with Iran is going to be big, bloody, and protracted.

There is NO REASON not to seek a Declaration of War against the Islamic Republic prior to commencement of hostilities.

The rest of Zbig's points are absurd blather - but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

33 posted on 04/25/2006 3:33:15 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Crackingham
the attack would be a unilateral act of war

So what?

34 posted on 04/25/2006 3:35:20 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Crackingham
if undertaken without the sanction of the UN Security Council either alone by the United States or in complicity with Israel, it would stamp the perpetrator(s) as an international outlaw

BFD.

35 posted on 04/25/2006 3:35:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: steveegg

CHIEF MALAISE OFFICER


36 posted on 04/25/2006 3:36:17 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Old Media gets more shrill, thrashing about like a dinosaur caught in the tar pits.)
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To: Crackingham
I suspect Brzezinski lost this chess match (against Begin).


37 posted on 04/25/2006 3:37:55 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Crackingham

The genius from the Jimmah Cahtah White House.


38 posted on 04/25/2006 3:38:27 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Crackingham

Why the heck do all of these geniuses keep telling us that Iran is "several years away" from development of a bomb?

Russia had one in 1950, just 5 years after we did. And that was using technology that is now considered stone-age. France, UK, Israel, China, Pakistan, and India likewise quickly developed bombs once they got the know-how.

What makes Iran so different? If we listen to these fools, we are going to wake up to a nuclear test in the Persian desert, only to be told by Zbig & Company that "it's too late now to do anything."

Send in the freaking cruise missiles, dammit.


39 posted on 04/25/2006 3:44:23 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Mr. Mojo

I'd sure like to know if he did lose.


40 posted on 04/25/2006 3:47:55 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: Elpasser
If we listen to these fools, we are going to wake up to a nuclear test in the Persian desert, only to be told by Zbig & Company that "it's too late now to do anything."

Thanks to AQ Khan, the Russians, and the Clinton CIA, the Iranians won't need to do a full-blown nuclear test before vaporizing Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, New York or DC (odds are about even on any of the 4 being the first target).

41 posted on 04/25/2006 3:49:30 PM PDT by steveegg (Sen. Ted "Swimmer" Kennedy's vehicles have killed more people than V.P. Dick Cheney's guns)
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To: steveegg

Please, please, please...... calm down!!!! We will not attack Iran. Sure, President Bush and his staff have the fortitude and ability to attack............however, more than 50% of the population of our country are nothing more than COWARDS and TRAITORS.

So you see, you have nothing to worry about, unless you attack us and do it soon.

When you do attack us and if you do it while Bush is still in office, we will send things that will destroy all trace of your wasted existence.

If Iran wants to win a war with us, all they need to do is wait until the Traitor Party has the power. Their reaction will be to wet of their pants, hide under their beds and beg Iran to accept a complete and unconditional surrender.

Sit back and wait, the Traitor Party will have the power very soon......then you can have this country with very little effort.


42 posted on 04/25/2006 3:52:11 PM PDT by Gator113
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To: Jim Noble
"War with Iran is going to be big, bloody, and protracted"

Don't agree, the insurgency could be all of the above, but the not the war itself (sound familiar). Put 100,000 of our troops on the boarder, they will most likely counter with the same. Then start the 30 day bombing campaign like Desert Storm. Our Patriot missiles are rather devastating unlike 1991, hence we will own the air vs their ground to ground arms. If we are lucky maybe we cut the head off the snake by taking out the Mullahs with a few bunker busters, it could all start coming down like a house of cards. Granted I'd want no part of the mopping up.
43 posted on 04/25/2006 3:54:39 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: DAC21
it could all start coming down like a house of cards.

Catherine Zeta-Jones could leave Michael for me, too.

44 posted on 04/25/2006 3:56:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Jim Noble

I believe the Mullas have lower rating than Pres. Bush, true story.


45 posted on 04/25/2006 3:58:46 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Crackingham
Dear Mr.Brzezinski,

We already have a current National security advisor.
Please take your medications and behave. Or we'll have to all remember your halcyon years of the desert rescue disaster and assorted other Jimmy Cartuh fiascoes...

Leave well enough alone, OK?

46 posted on 04/25/2006 4:00:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Elpasser
If we listen to these fools, we are going to wake up to a nuclear test in the Persian desert, only to be told by Zbig & Company that "it's too late now to do anything."

That's precisely what would happen. ....and it's what Zbig wants to happen -- a nuclear "detente" between the West and Islam. He belongs to a transnationalist clique that gets nervous when the United States is the clear military superpower, and seeks to "level the playing field" at all costs. ....and invariably the cost is American lives.

47 posted on 04/25/2006 4:02:12 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Kenny Bunkport
According to Zbig, we sit here and wait until we're hit. Brilliant.

Actually, he's suggesting we do nothing after we are hit also.

48 posted on 04/25/2006 4:09:38 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: steveegg
And we're supposed to listen to the idiot most responsible for the embassy hostage crisis?

Listen to Zbigniew carefully and do the opposite,

49 posted on 04/25/2006 4:12:59 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: Crackingham
1. ...the attack would be a unilateral act of war.

Sort of like occupying an embassy?

If undertaken without formal Congressional declaration, it would be unconstitutional and merit the impeachment of the President.

He's got a point here. After all, King William was impeached for his Great Patriotic War Against Serbia.

Oh ... wait a minute ... he wasn't. Never Mind.

2. Iran is a country of some 70 million people and a conflict with it would make the misadventure in Iraq look trivial.

The Iranians and Iraqis fought to a draw for eight years. We thrashed the Iraqis in three weeks.

3. Oil prices would climb steeply, especially if the Iranians cut their production and seek to disrupt the flow of oil from the nearby Saudi oil fields. The world economy would be severely impacted, with America blamed for it. Note that oil prices have already shot above $70 per barrel, in part because of fears of a U.S./Iran clash.

So at this point we don't have a whole lot to lose.

4. America would become an even more likely target of terrorism.......

The likelihood of the US being a target of terrorism is already 100%. It can't get any higher.

50 posted on 04/25/2006 4:22:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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