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Housing slowdown deepens in Mass.
Boston Globe ^ | April 26, 2006 | Kimberly Blanton

Posted on 04/26/2006 10:32:45 AM PDT by george76

Single-family home sales and prices in Massachusetts fell 1.5 percent in March, capping a first quarter in which sales slowed dramatically from the previous year...

''Inventory is at record highs, so buyers are taking their time," said David Wluka, president of the Massachusetts Association of Realtors. ''They can pick among several houses so they don't feel the pressure."

The slowdown in Massachusetts' housing market ran counter to a surprising pick-up in March in nationwide sales of homes, condominiums, and townhouses.

Analysts had predicted that strong February sales...

The housing market in Massachusetts ''simply isn't as strong as it is in other states," ...

a combination of population losses -- the US Census Bureau estimates the state lost more than 42,000 residents a year between 2001 and 2004 -- and a sluggish economy combined to curtail sales.

''People are leaving for other states, and there's less demand for housing than there is in the rest of the country,"...

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: hightaxes; incometaxes; losses; population; populationlosses; propertytaxes; realtor; realtors; romneylandisdying; salestaxes; tax
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1 posted on 04/26/2006 10:32:47 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

People are leaving for other states




hehehe, "Mass. exodus"


2 posted on 04/26/2006 10:34:33 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It wasn't the spikes that kept Him on the cross.)
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To: george76
a sluggish economy

Evidence for this?? Mass. is clearly losing population. Many folks say they are leaving because of taxes and housing costs. They leave, and demand for housing decreases so housing costs decrease. We call this "the marketplace".

Now, if the state would only do something about the taxes, we might stop losing population. But this talk about a "sluggish economy" is just an attempt at misdirection.

3 posted on 04/26/2006 10:36:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: Grampa Dave

"The slowdown in Massachusetts' housing market ran counter to a surprising pick-up in March in nationwide sales of homes..."

Mass has rising taxes and is losing population.

Soon only the DUmmies will be left.

They will lose another Congressional Seat and lose another vote for President...soon.


4 posted on 04/26/2006 10:37:07 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

You don't demand that people embrace the teaching of the homo-perve lifestyle to kindergartners and NOT suffer an exodus of the most normal among them leaving for places that think kids ought to be well, kids. Between social engineering BS like that and confiscatory tax policies, it's amazing there are any people left in states like these. No wonder the Soviets had to build a wall to imprison their population.


5 posted on 04/26/2006 10:37:34 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It wasn't the spikes that kept Him on the cross.)
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To: george76

I'm just glad to see a housing topic started by somebody OTHER than ex-Texan...


6 posted on 04/26/2006 10:39:17 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: george76

Looks like folks are heading South in Record #'s. Gee, I wonder why......?


7 posted on 04/26/2006 10:40:16 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: george76

I Agree. NY is also loosing population. People up in the north are leave beause of the Taxes and house prices. I think the cold harsh winters are also another ffactor, but taxes and house prices are the primary reason.


8 posted on 04/26/2006 10:41:12 AM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: george76

''Inventory is at record highs, so buyers are taking their time,"

Umm... Maybe buyers are waiting to see how low prices will fall.

Why buy a house today, for $600,000, if you can wait until 2007 and buy the same house for $525,000?


9 posted on 04/26/2006 10:42:37 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: george76

What - Nobody wants to live in socialism? THEN WHY DO THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THE LIKES OF KENNEDY AND KERRY?


10 posted on 04/26/2006 10:46:55 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: BigTom85

NH is the only state in New England that grew in the 1990's and the only one expected to grow in this decade. It is not the weather that is driving people out of MA as many are moving North as I did 10 years ago from MA. The quality of life is better and the tax picture is the opposite of MA. Heck, even car insurance is half what it is in MA. It is only about 35 miles from downtown Boston to the NH border. It is relatively easy to go to Boston from southern NH for a Red Sox game, dinner in the North End, etc. Then you can go home and not deal with the crime, the pollution, the crowds....


11 posted on 04/26/2006 10:47:17 AM PDT by seamusnh
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To: trubluolyguy

The Mass exodus...

You are correct.


12 posted on 04/26/2006 10:48:06 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2banana

Why the voters re-elect the DUmmie fools is beyond me.

If I lived there, I would leave.


13 posted on 04/26/2006 10:50:35 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Lib states are in big trouble. I just don't get it. (sarc)


14 posted on 04/26/2006 10:52:51 AM PDT by VOATNOW1
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To: seamusnh

"It is relatively easy to go to Boston from southern NH for a Red Sox game, dinner in the North End, etc. Then you can go home and not deal with the crime, the pollution, the crowds"

Well it is now with the new buried highway. It used to
be a beotch to get off the Fitz and into the Callahan
Tunnel to get to the airport. Its still bad trying to get to
Chinatown. Property taxes in our town (Amherst NH) were the highest I've ever experienced.


15 posted on 04/26/2006 10:52:52 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: seamusnh

I left MA in 1977 for VA and never regretted it for one moment.

Whenever I return home I am astonished by the rudeness of people, the stupidity of the politicians and voters, and the remarkable cost of living.

It is a dreadful place to live. And it's as cold as a bad memory. I do not miss those winters.


16 posted on 04/26/2006 10:55:00 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: BigTom85

New York State is losing even more people.

NY will lose another Congressional Seat and lose another vote for President, soon.

On a percentage basis, Mass may be losing more...but NY is losing more bodies.

The weather is bad, but there are many more reasons to leave than just bad weather.


17 posted on 04/26/2006 10:56:33 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

''People are leaving for other states, and there's less demand for housing than there is in the rest of the country,"...

The land of Kennedy, Kerry and that crazy gay predator Barnie plus high taxes is driving people with a brain away.

Soon Kennedy and his pet pit bull, Kerry, will be telling America about the sad state of Mass re real estate. Then they will push for a National Home Buying Insurance for idiots who want to live in Mass.

Notice how the Blue Cities, counties and some blue states are really starting to lose population. First they abort their future. Then they dumb them down in school while pushing the Gay life style. Then they blame Bush when these dumbed down liberals can't find work.


18 posted on 04/26/2006 10:59:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: proudpapa

With their high tax rates and the rest of the list...who would want to own any real estate or run a business is such a place ?


19 posted on 04/26/2006 11:00:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1621786/posts

Stunning 13.8% increase in new home sales
Market Watch.com ^ | 26 April 2006 | Rex Nutting


Posted on 04/26/2006 7:25:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave


ECONOMIC REPORT Stunning 13.8% increase in new home sales

Median prices down year-over-year first time since Dec. 2003 By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- New home sales unexpectedly increased by 13.8% in March to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.213 million, the highest level of the year, the Commerce Department estimated Wednesday. The increase more than reversed the 10.9% decline in sales in February. It was far stronger than the mild increase to 1.10 million annualized that was expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch. See Economic Calendar.

Combined with the small increase reported in existing home sales on Tuesday, the report shows the housing market was much stronger in March than anyone had reason to believe. See earlier story. Other housing market indicators, including mortgage applications, housing starts and builders' sentiment, are pointing to a softer housing market.

The strength in home sales, if it persists, could keep the economy growing faster than the Federal Reserve wants and could lead to higher interest rates than now expected. See our complete coverage of the Fed. New home sales are down 8.2% year-to-date. Read the full report.

The government cautions, however, that its housing data are subject to large sampling and other statistical errors. The margin of error is so large, in fact, that the government cannot say with confidence that sales rose at all in March.

It can take up to six months for a trend in sales to emerge. New home sales have averaged 1.22 million per month over the past six months, down from 1.23 million in February and 1.30 million in November.

The inventory of unsold homes on the market increased 2.8% to 550,000, representing a 5.5-month supply at the March sales pace, down from 6.3 months in February. Median home prices fell 2.2% year-over-year to $224,200. It's the first time prices had fallen year-over-year since December 2003.

In March, sales rose 35.7% in the West, reversing the 30.3% drop in February. Sales increased 6.9% in the South, 10.9% in the Midwest and 4.7% in the Northeast.

In a separate report, the Commerce Department said orders for durable goods increased 6.1% in March, including a 71% gain in aircraft orders. Bookings were solid across most industries. See full story.

Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of MarketWatch.


20 posted on 04/26/2006 11:02:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave

The DUmmies tricked us with a proposed $1 Billion Tunnel and we got stuck with a still leaking $20 Billion Big Dig.

The prices are still "flexible."


21 posted on 04/26/2006 11:04:57 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Meanwhile across country in the IE area of Southern California this is happening;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1621868/posts

I.E. region's median home price tops $400,000
The Daily Bulletin ^ | 4/26/2006 | Michael Rappaport


Posted on 04/26/2006 9:09:30 AM PDT by Smogger


Going up. For all the predictions that the elevator had reached the top, that housing prices had peaked and would only go sideways, the Inland Empire reached another milestone and posted an all-time high in March. The median price of a single-family home in the Riverside-San Bernardino metropolitan area was $403,000 in March, according to numbers released Tuesday by the California Association of Realtors.

It's the first time the median price has passed the $400,000 mark, and it comes just 21 months after prices topped $300,000 for the first time in June 2004.

"A lot of people who have been talking about the market softening were expecting prices to go down," said Jack Kyser, chief economist with the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corp. "Well, unit sales may be down, but prices are still going up, or at least moving sideways."


22 posted on 04/26/2006 11:05:40 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: george76
Massachusetts politicians are trying all sorts of things to bring the population nbrs up and save their 10 gerrymandered congressional districts.

Free health care for all, free tuition for illegal immigrants at state schools, and a few other things that you won't see reported truthfully in that rag cited here.

23 posted on 04/26/2006 11:06:05 AM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: george76

"The DUmmies tricked us with a proposed $1 Billion Tunnel and we got stuck with a still leaking $20 Billion Big Dig."

How was Kerry involve with this losing project?


24 posted on 04/26/2006 11:07:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: trubluolyguy
hehehe, "Mass. exodus"


Wakka...wakka...wakka...

25 posted on 04/26/2006 11:10:19 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Grampa Dave

If the new home sales nationwide were down, then the Mass and NY DUmmies could try to blame Bush.

The DUmmies now only have themselves to blame.

They will not do it, because they are DUmmies...

Imagine how much higher the national home sales would be, if the nation did not have the anchors of NY and Mass DUmmies around their necks.


26 posted on 04/26/2006 11:11:05 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: BigTom85

Taxes in Massachusetts are the same or even less than they are in Georgia and North Carolina, two states where a lot of northerners are moving. I think it's about housing more than anything else, with a little bit of weather thrown in.


27 posted on 04/26/2006 11:12:33 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: george76

Have you ever told us where you live? I know we've run into each other on threads like this before.


28 posted on 04/26/2006 11:14:36 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Grampa Dave

PLease click on the picture for the nice music...

29 posted on 04/26/2006 11:15:31 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Radix

Who is going to pay for all that free stuff ?

Free health care, free tuition, free transportation, free housing, free food, free...?


30 posted on 04/26/2006 11:17:52 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If I had not left Mass. it would have only been 41,999 residents fleeing the State.
Its not just the taxes, the Kennedys, its also sitting on RT 128 every morning. The traffic stinks at all hours.

I do miss the steak tips and lobster rolls however.
Thank goodness I can get Harpoon IPA in NC.


31 posted on 04/26/2006 11:21:03 AM PDT by Holicheese (Stanley Cup's new home will be North Carolina!)
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32 posted on 04/26/2006 11:22:46 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: yankeedame

Thanks, I'll be here all week, try the veal and don't forget to tip the waitresses!


33 posted on 04/26/2006 11:25:27 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (It wasn't the spikes that kept Him on the cross.)
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To: trubluolyguy

"I have just returned from Boston. It is the only sane thing to do if you find yourself up there." --Fred Allen


34 posted on 04/26/2006 11:27:17 AM PDT by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: Grampa Dave

Earmarking for my return after a fun filled honey do afternoon. My trophy bride will buy me lunch before I become a beast of burden.


35 posted on 04/26/2006 11:59:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: george76

Again, Georgia and North Carolina take a greater share of their residents' income in taxes than Massachusetts does. We're all middling-tax states, neither high nor low.

Of the others on that chart, Texas, South Dakota, and Florida are certainly low-tax states, while Ohio, New York, and New Jersey are high-tax states. I don't know about the rest.


36 posted on 04/26/2006 12:02:41 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: trubluolyguy

The tax burden here isn't much worse than in NH (the taxes are just disguised differently) and is better than most of the northeast, so I don't think that's much of a factor. The crime syndicate known as public education is active in all states, so I'd tend to discount that too, (though with all the gay marriage publicity we certainly aren't attracting many nice "normal" families from other parts of the country). What we do have are many empty-nesters looking to cash out while the prices are still historically high and this has upped the inventory of existing houses and caused the prices to correct a bit. New homes are popping up everywhere and that too is adding price pressure. Once these empty nesters do sell many are choosing to move to other states, or scaling down and buying condos (that market is still doing well) and pocketing the difference.


37 posted on 04/26/2006 12:38:59 PM PDT by DonGrafico (Gohd demmit bub! You ain't from around heah ah ya?)
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To: HostileTerritory; Grampa Dave

The graphs on post number 32 might help explain the views from Barron's Magazine and the US Census Bureau.

They note general population trends from high to low tax states. Their legend refers to seven different and specific catagories.

New York and Mass both have "E."

NY also has "HO" while Mass also has "low RB."

North Carolina has both "LO" and "RB."

Georgia has "LS" and "RB."



Different people pay and often are concerned about different taxes. Two examples might be :

A young working family might be more concerned with high payroll, sales, and/or income taxes.

A retired couple might be more concerned with high property and/or estate taxes.


Also, there are non tax reasons to impact the decision to move.

A better job elsewhere.

Weather or health issues...like post number 8 mentions.

Family issues...to be closer to family members, etc.

Social engineering issues that post number 5 mentions.

Quality of life and insurance costs issues that post number 11 mentions.

Political issues...that number 10 mentions.

Crime and pollution that number 15 mentions.

Rudeness and cost of living that number 16 mentions.

Education and health care that number 23 mentions.


The above notes a few of the reasons. Some people may have one major issue to cause a move; other people may be driven by several issues.

I hope that this answers your question.


38 posted on 04/26/2006 1:14:14 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The Massachusetts economy has been stagnant for the past two years (at least). After 14 months of unemployment (B.S. Chemistry, MBA) I will be starting a new job next week. Employers were reluctant to hire, though they were actively looking. Examine a job description and it would seem as if the job was previously done by two (or three) people with very different skill sets. Strong product development and technical skills would be primary requirements, but an unspoken requirement to lead sales was also desired. Not finding the ideal candidate, they would "reevaluate the position".

With Kerry and Kennedy as a constant affront to the administration, Massachusetts has certainly not received any special favors to bolster the economy. Our pinhead Reps (i.e. Meehan and Markey to name but two) are not much better. However, Mass residents don't see how they are voting against their interests by continually supporting these reprobates.

Every day, 100 people like me (taxpayers) leave the state. I'm glad I was able to hold on, I'll leave on my own terms in the future.


39 posted on 04/26/2006 1:17:19 PM PDT by Make It In Mass (Don't vote for unopposed candidates, it only encourages them.)
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To: Make It In Mass

We wish you well.

Hopefully more of the voters will wake up and realize that socialism does not work.


40 posted on 04/26/2006 1:33:36 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I read the chart, and was responding to it. I don't think it's very well thought-out; they took migration patterns and then speculated, if taxes were the reason, what taxes would come into play if people moved. The categories of low-tax and high-tax are just wrong in some cases, specifically the ones I mentioned.

The 20-somethings and 30-somethings leaving Massachusetts are not doing so because our state has an estate tax.


41 posted on 04/26/2006 4:14:29 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

Your right, housing certainly plays a big role. A lot of Ny'ers are moving to Florida too.


42 posted on 04/26/2006 6:37:32 PM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: george76
''People are leaving for other states, and there's less demand for housing than there is in the rest of the country,"..

My parents left Taxachusetts for Arizona fifty years ago this summer. Was the best decision they ever made (besides us kids, of course!).

43 posted on 04/26/2006 8:29:58 PM PDT by CedarDave (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: HostileTerritory

No they are not.
But nice respectable folks like me and my family are leaving because, it just SUCKS to live here period!

I'll keep on the Cape part time because that is my heart, But I CANNOT WAIT TO GET OUT OF THIS SOCIALIST CESSPOOL!

The tipping point was the Gay Marriage thing and trying to raise normal kids..I'm Done!


44 posted on 04/26/2006 8:33:14 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: DonGrafico

Please......the NH "total" tax burden is much less than Massachusetts, I have lived in both states. There is no sales tax, no income tax, no capital gains tax in NH. There is a high property tax, in some towns....that's it. Any chart from Money magazine, or other such publications will show you the breakdown between the states. Massachusetts is not as bad as it once was, but don't compare it to NH.


45 posted on 04/26/2006 9:23:29 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: DonGrafico
And BTW.....the housing market in greater Boston is falling through the floor. I know, because I'm spending 7 days a week looking for property there. I have stopped right now because prices are falling so fast that I'm going to sit back and wait it out. Here's a fact: prices are down almost 12% in the last 9 months.
46 posted on 04/26/2006 9:27:14 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: george76
As a general comment on the housing market: this report today about housing strength is nothing but a "bear trap". Those numbers are from a volatile, and generally unreliable source. I'm not preaching collapse, but this market is past dead, and if you don't need to buy right now, don't. Historically, when house prices start falling, like they are starting to in most of the country.....they keep falling, often for along time.
47 posted on 04/26/2006 9:35:16 PM PDT by NHFREE
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To: george76
Single-family home sales and prices in Massachusetts fell 1.5 percent in March, capping a first quarter in which sales slowed dramatically from the previous year...

Sure not seeing that out here in the west - especially in AZ and NV.

48 posted on 04/26/2006 10:06:26 PM PDT by p23185 (Being trashed by the Stone Age Press should be worn as a badge of honor by Repubs and Conservatives)
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To: george76
With the exception of Ohio, people from Blue States are moving to Red States.

Disenfranchised Voters?

49 posted on 04/26/2006 10:17:55 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: 2banana
THEN WHY DO THEY KEEP RE-ELECTING THE LIKES OF KENNEDY AND KERRY?

Well, that is a simple matter of demographics. Massachusetts has been around for a long time, so that a great many people have lived there. This means that a great many people have died there. The simple fact of life and death is that young people vote democrat, and turn toward republican as they have children and get mugged, until they die, at which time they become staunch democrats. By now, the number of dead people voting democrat exceeds the number of people voting republican. Eventually, if not already, if the living people all decided to vote republican, there are enough dead voters to keep democrats in office forever.

50 posted on 04/26/2006 10:32:54 PM PDT by webheart
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