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French exception: Experts ponder high birth rate
Reuters ^ | April 26 2006 | Anna Willard

Posted on 04/26/2006 11:44:52 AM PDT by knighthawk

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1 posted on 04/26/2006 11:44:57 AM PDT by knighthawk
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2 posted on 04/26/2006 11:45:30 AM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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Fascinating. How much of the French fertility are the fast breeding muslims? 1.9 is still below replacement rate.


3 posted on 04/26/2006 11:46:55 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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One often hears that the high TFR in France is mostly due to very fecund immigrants, but there is precious little solid data on that as far as I know. I wish the data were better.


4 posted on 04/26/2006 11:48:10 AM PDT by untenured
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THe answer is that France has the highest percentage of muslims of any country in Europe. These muslims have a much higher birth rate than the rest of the French population, and by 2050, France will be a majority muslim country. That the author of this article would fail to mention the obvious is journalistic malpractice in my opinion.


5 posted on 04/26/2006 11:50:44 AM PDT by milwguy
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France has the largest muslim minority in western europe, this explains their "high" birthrate.

If you take out the muslim birthrate, then France's (native) birthrate is below replacement level and in line with the other Western European nations. The reasons given in this article for France's "high birthrate" are fraudulent.

The Muslim birth rate in Europe is three times higher than the non-Muslim one. Already they are throwing elections in some countries. The cumulative effect of this is majority muslim europe in a few generations. Europe should prepare for all the amazing civilization benefits Islam has brought to the middle east. Burkas, suicide bombing, amputations in stadiums, sharia, gang rape, etc... Eurabia.


7 posted on 04/26/2006 11:56:26 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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"But in France, it's the other way round, we think that if you take your child to the creche when they're very young, it's good for them because it teaches them to be sociable."

This is the nonsense Meathead has been selling in California.

8 posted on 04/26/2006 11:58:36 AM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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Beatrice Riobe has played her part in giving France the second highest birth rate in Europe.

Riobe has nine children aged 4 to 19: her case is rare and this year the government honored her with a special gold medal awarded annually to successful large families.

This woman must be a muslim.

9 posted on 04/26/2006 11:59:22 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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"One often hears that the high TFR in France is mostly due to very fecund immigrants, but there is precious little solid data on that as far as I know. I wish the data were better."



Table 2 - Total period fertility rate, 1991-1998,by birthplace
Average number of children per woman


All 1.72
Women born in France 1.65
Immigrant women 2.5

This is older data but my information is that it is considerably worse now.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:8U1PLQnjvjQJ:www.ined.fr/englishversion/publications/pop_et_soc/pesa400.pdf+immigrant+fertility+france&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6
10 posted on 04/26/2006 12:02:47 PM PDT by Prokopton
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11 posted on 04/26/2006 12:03:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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Experts say France's high birth rate -- women have an average of 1.9 children -- is probably due to the government's long-term policy of rewarding those who have children, offering medals, financial incentives and favorable work rules.

Since when is a birth rate of 1.9, which is well under replacement, considered a "high" birth rate. I guess you could say "reletively high" when compared to the coffin-corner demographics of Germany, but they certainly are not "high".

The idiocy continues...

Researchers admit that their understanding of the relatively high French birth rate still retains a degree of mystery.

"For every rule you can come up with you find an exception," said Grant. Pison agreed: "There is a bit of mystery. We are doing studies but we don't yet have all the secrets."

It's a mystery... wrapped in an enigma... with a crunchy chocolate coating of uncertainty... with little colored sprinkles or inscrutability on top...

These researchers will solve the mystery until they look at the influence of race on the birth rate. But PC necessity requires that there is no racial component to such things, and furthermore, even if there is, it would be irrelevant, since all people are basically the same, lalala, kumbaya, etc...

The fact of the matter is the fairly large minority Muslim population of France is having large families and will double every ten years or so if current trends continue. Subtract this segment out of the French population, and their numbers are the worst in Europe.

12 posted on 04/26/2006 12:10:05 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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"THe answer is that France has the highest percentage of muslims of any country in Europe. These muslims have a much higher birth rate than the rest of the French population, and by 2050, France will be a majority muslim country. That the author of this article would fail to mention the obvious is journalistic malpractice in my opinion."

I suspected this might be the reality.


13 posted on 04/26/2006 12:24:22 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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"How much of the French fertility are the fast breeding muslims?"

That was my first thought too.


14 posted on 04/26/2006 12:28:12 PM PDT by Pessimist
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Note that the "experts" attribute all good things to the success of government programs, and recommend extension and more spending for those programs.

Not that they have an agenda, or anything...


15 posted on 04/26/2006 12:28:22 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (RICE 2008)
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Why is it that the words Muslims, Arab, and North African come to mind?


16 posted on 04/26/2006 12:28:31 PM PDT by george wythe
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That's a terrific link; Table 3 appears to be the most informative. It may somewhat understate the difference between racial groups, in that someone born in France of Algerian parents, e.g., is counted as "native-born" for purposes of the survey.

Having said that, the whole point of the paper appears to be that most existing research overstates the difference between foreign- and native-born fertility in France.

Unfortunately (and unavoidably, probably), the data stop in 1998.

17 posted on 04/26/2006 12:31:22 PM PDT by untenured
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These retards are undoubtedly giving special rewards to Muslims too. For having large families. Zoot alors!


18 posted on 04/26/2006 12:33:58 PM PDT by dennisw (If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles-Sun Tzu)
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most of Europe is on the wrong side of the tax curve....all disposable income supporting a social-welfare state, rather than investing in the next generation.


19 posted on 04/26/2006 12:37:04 PM PDT by mo
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offering medals
That made me laugh
20 posted on 04/26/2006 12:40:17 PM PDT by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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